caveman carbs (fruit?) and BG

In article <[email hidden]>,

Skinny said:

I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight. I've got
the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more energy.

I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the monkeys and the
cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire and agriculture. That
would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and maybe no potatoes or popcorn.

I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops) sugarcane,
honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL tried this? Perhaps
making them slower to absorb somehow? With what results?

Skinny

Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive man as it
is to us, and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet. I'd
say only eat wild fruit that you harvest yourself. Climb trees and eat
whatever you can carry safely back to your house while being chased by
wolves, and you'll probably do fine. ;o)

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight. I've got
the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more energy.

I tend to have more energy with Low-Carb then any other WOE that I have
ever tried. how long have you been on low-carb?

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I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the monkeys and

the

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cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire and agriculture.

before fire?
This means you will be eating a lot of beef tartar and tuna tartar
oh and dont forget they had to hunt for things on foot and kill with
little more then a rock but hey that burns a lot of calories and will
give you a skill that not everyone has. oh and it will make the meat
much more fresh so the tartars should be a lot safer that way

That

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would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and maybe no potatoes or popcorn.

Potatoes and popcorn arent even allowed on the low-glycemic index and I'm
sure
the cavemen that didn't have fire didnt have popcorn

Quoted message said:

I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops) sugarcane,
honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL tried this? Perhaps
making them slower to absorb somehow? With what results?

I realy think you should look at the low-glycemic index at least that would
help you make
the right choices as you add more into your diet... It seems to me that you
want to add
things that you miss like popcorn and if you add stuff like this then doing
low-carb even
for health reasons is out the window.

IMO The only carbs you should add are things like fruit and veggies but
watch how much
and what you add... such as bananas they are high in carbs and high on the
low-glycemic
index and no they are not the same thing

BTW I found this at
http://www.erasofelegance.com/entertaining2.html#1
"Historians figure that the earliest prehistoric peoples trapped and ate
insects, snails, mollusks
and other sea creatures, lizards and birds"

sounds low-carb but hey if you do this diet and you ever come to my home
please dont eat the
pets lol

Angie

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Skinny said:

I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight. I've

got

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more energy.

I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the monkeys and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire and agriculture. That
would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and maybe no potatoes or popcorn.

I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops) sugarcane,
honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL tried this?

Perhaps

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

making them slower to absorb somehow? With what results?

Skinny

Quoted message said:

Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive man as

it is to us,

Ook, monkey carbs. 🙂

Quoted message said:

and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet.

Most fruits get sweeter as they ripen.

Quoted message said:

I'd
say only eat wild fruit that you harvest yourself. Climb trees and eat
whatever you can carry safely back to your house while being chased by
wolves, and you'll probably do fine. ;o)

Or climb a tree in the monkey-jungle and sit there and eat the fruit and
throw the pits at the wolves. 🙂

Skinny

In article <[email hidden]>,

Skinny said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Skinny said:

I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight. I've

got

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more energy.

I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the monkeys and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire and agriculture. That
would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and maybe no potatoes or popcorn.

I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops) sugarcane,
honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL tried this?

Perhaps

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

making them slower to absorb somehow? With what results?

Skinny

Quoted message said:

Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive man as

it is to us,

Ook, monkey carbs. 🙂

Quoted message said:

and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet.

Most fruits get sweeter as they ripen.

But, by the time they ripen, the monkeys have eaten them all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'd
say only eat wild fruit that you harvest yourself. Climb trees and eat
whatever you can carry safely back to your house while being chased by
wolves, and you'll probably do fine. ;o)

Or climb a tree in the monkey-jungle and sit there and eat the fruit and
throw the pits at the wolves. 🙂

Hmm, maybe that's how the game of "fetch" got started.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Why do bananas get such a bad rep on LC? Half of a medium banana (medium
being about 7" - 7 7/8" long or 1/4 cup mashed) is only 12g net carbs,
lower than a small apple. I've been eating bananas as part of LC for more
than a month now that I'm in maintenance. Not that I follow the glycemic
index but they're not high-glycemic. They rate 58 on the index.

on Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:52:32 -0700, "AngieRose" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

IMO The only carbs you should add are things like fruit and veggies but
watch how much
and what you add... such as bananas they are high in carbs and high on the
low-glycemic
index and no they are not the same thing

-----
Bev

Bev-Ann thank you.... After searching the house (we are pulling up the ugly
rug in our new (to us)home oh hey look wood floors!!! and the house is a
mess) I found the book and I was wrong I made it all up in my head (the
banana part)

The new Glucose Revolution : Complete Guide to Glycemic Index Values
Banana, fresh, med... Serving size - 4 oz GI value - 52 net carbs - 24
Apple, fresh, med... Serving size - 4oz GI value - 38 net carbs - 15

And for skinny

Potato,baked... Serving size- 5oz GI value- 85 net carbs- 30
popcorn, plain, cooked in microwave... Serving size- 1 1/2 cup GI value- 72
net carbs- 11

Guess I should say the GI values / range

Low GI: 55-under
Intermediate GI : 56-69
High GI: 70 and up

My Dr told me I should do this diet because I have metabolic syndrome. I got
the book and tried it, it worked and I do plan to follow it at some point
in my life but for now I'm doing low-carb.

Angie

"Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Why do bananas get such a bad rep on LC? Half of a medium banana (medium
being about 7" - 7 7/8" long or 1/4 cup mashed) is only 12g net carbs,
lower than a small apple. I've been eating bananas as part of LC for more
than a month now that I'm in maintenance. Not that I follow the glycemic
index but they're not high-glycemic. They rate 58 on the index.

on Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:52:32 -0700, "AngieRose" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

IMO The only carbs you should add are things like fruit and veggies but
watch how much
and what you add... such as bananas they are high in carbs and high on

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

low-glycemic
index and no they are not the same thing

-----
Bev

Skinny wrote:
:: On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 05:14:31 GMT, Luna wrote:
::
::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::: Skinny <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::
:::: I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight.
:::: I've got the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more
:::: energy.
::::
:::: I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the
:::: monkeys and the cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire
:::: and agriculture. That would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and
:::: maybe no potatoes or popcorn.
::::
:::: I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops)
:::: sugarcane, honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL
:::: tried this? Perhaps making them slower to absorb somehow? With
:::: what results?
::::
::::
:::: Skinny
::
::
::
::: Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive
::: man as it is to us,
::
:: Ook, monkey carbs. 🙂
::
::
::: and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet.
::
:: Most fruits get sweeter as they ripen.

True, but these days, with techology, fruits have been bred for greater
sweetness.

::
::
::: I'd
::: say only eat wild fruit that you harvest yourself. Climb trees and
::: eat whatever you can carry safely back to your house while being
::: chased by wolves, and you'll probably do fine. ;o)
::
::
:: Or climb a tree in the monkey-jungle and sit there and eat the fruit
:: and throw the pits at the wolves. 🙂
::
::
:: Skinny

the reason: half a banana.

when I eat a banana, I usually want at least 3. That's about 75 carbs.

but hey, if half a banana works for you, go for it.

Bev-Ann wrote:
:: Why do bananas get such a bad rep on LC? Half of a medium banana
:: (medium being about 7" - 7 7/8" long or 1/4 cup mashed) is only 12g
:: net carbs, lower than a small apple. I've been eating bananas as
:: part of LC for more than a month now that I'm in maintenance. Not
:: that I follow the glycemic index but they're not high-glycemic.
:: They rate 58 on the index.
::
:: on Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:52:32 -0700, "AngieRose"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: IMO The only carbs you should add are things like fruit and veggies
::: but watch how much
::: and what you add... such as bananas they are high in carbs and high
::: on the low-glycemic
::: index and no they are not the same thing
::
:: -----
:: Bev

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:50:38 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Skinny wrote:
:: On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 05:14:31 GMT, Luna wrote:
::
::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::: Skinny <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::
:::: I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight.
:::: I've got the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more
:::: energy.
::::
:::: I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the
:::: monkeys and the cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire
:::: and agriculture. That would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and
:::: maybe no potatoes or popcorn.
::::
:::: I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops)
:::: sugarcane, honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL
:::: tried this? Perhaps making them slower to absorb somehow? With
:::: what results?
::::
::::
:::: Skinny
::
::
::
::: Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive
::: man as it is to us,
::
:: Ook, monkey carbs. 🙂
::
::
::: and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet.
::
:: Most fruits get sweeter as they ripen.

True, but these days, with techology, fruits have been bred for greater
sweetness.

That's true. I used to eat apples from my grandparent's yard (and pears),
and the apples were [censored]! However, I find today's apples to be bland and
tasteless.

--
Bob in CT

You didn't make it up. I've seen bananas listed as forbidden by some LC
plans because they were high-carb and high-glycemic and I've never
understood why. Some also say the same for melons. Looks like their info
was out-of-date. Thanks for clearing it up. :-)

on Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:23 -0700, "AngieRose" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bev-Ann thank you.... After searching the house (we are pulling up the ugly
rug in our new (to us)home oh hey look wood floors!!! and the house is a
mess) I found the book and I was wrong I made it all up in my head (the
banana part)

-----
Bev

Well thats good I hate when I make my own rules up LOL
Angie

"Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You didn't make it up. I've seen bananas listed as forbidden by some LC
plans because they were high-carb and high-glycemic and I've never
understood why. Some also say the same for melons. Looks like their info
was out-of-date. Thanks for clearing it up. :-)

on Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:23 -0700, "AngieRose" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bev-Ann thank you.... After searching the house (we are pulling up the

ugly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rug in our new (to us)home oh hey look wood floors!!! and the house is a
mess) I found the book and I was wrong I made it all up in my head (the
banana part)

-----
Bev

Simpling out.... 🙂

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Skinny said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Skinny <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I'm low-carbing for Blood Glucose stabilization, not for weight.

I've

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got

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> the carbs low enough, now wanting to add some for more energy.
>
> I like the theory of the caveman diets: stick with what the monkeys

and

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the

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> cavemen ate before newfangled inventions like fire and agriculture.

That

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> would mean no grains, flour, etc -- and maybe no potatoes or

popcorn.

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>
> I'd expect the carbs of those days would be fruit and (woops)

sugarcane,

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> honey, etc. So, has anyone else who is watching GI/GL tried this?

Perhaps

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> making them slower to absorb somehow? With what results?
>
>
> Skinny

Quoted message said:

Keep in mind that fruit was not as readily available to primitive man

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it is to us,

Ook, monkey carbs. 🙂

Quoted message said:

and the fruit that was available was smaller and less sweet.

Most fruits get sweeter as they ripen.

But, by the time they ripen, the monkeys have eaten them all.

Ooook! The early monkey catches the low-carb fruit.

Skinny

A couple of years ago I posted a question about what chimps eat, thinking
along your lines, and was soundly trounced for being anti religeous. Hope
you don't get the same treatment!

bonnie e said:

A couple of years ago I posted a question about what chimps eat, thinking
along your lines, and was soundly trounced for being anti religeous. Hope
you don't get the same treatment!

Thanks. So what do chimps eat? 🙂

Skinny

In message <[email hidden]>, Skinny
<[email hidden]> writes

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bonnie e said:

A couple of years ago I posted a question about what chimps eat, thinking
along your lines, and was soundly trounced for being anti religeous. Hope
you don't get the same treatment!

Thanks. So what do chimps eat? 🙂

Heretic! BURN the heretic!
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

This might be a silly question, but why would asking what chimps eat in
relation to human nutrition be anti-religious? We're supposed to share
something like 97 or 98% of the same DNA so isn't it just an interesting
question? How does religion fit in to it?

Mogget said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Skinny
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

bonnie e said:

A couple of years ago I posted a question about what chimps eat, thinking
along your lines, and was soundly trounced for being anti religeous. Hope
you don't get the same treatment!

Thanks. So what do chimps eat? 🙂

Heretic! BURN the heretic!

-----
Bev

They asked how I could possibly compare humans to chimps, as we were created
in God's image, and of course God was not an ape and how foolish of me to
imply any differently.

In message <[email hidden]>, Bev-Ann
<[email hidden]> writes

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This might be a silly question, but why would asking what chimps eat in
relation to human nutrition be anti-religious? We're supposed to share
something like 97 or 98% of the same DNA so isn't it just an interesting
question? How does religion fit in to it?

Snot a silly question, nor is it remotely anti-religious IMO. My
comment was just a joke, designed to raise a smile.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, bonnie e
<[email hidden]> writes

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They asked how I could possibly compare humans to chimps, as we were created
in God's image, and of course God was not an ape and how foolish of me to
imply any differently.

Oh blimey.

When you said you'd been called anti-religious, I thought you meant you
had been criticised for failing to walk in the Righteous Way of the True
Atkid.

I didn't realise it was genuine. =8-|
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat