Is Pork Good Food

"EaglesReact" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief

is not

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good about eating it?

In moderation and sufficiently cooked pork is ok. Ham has more problems.
The nitrates, salt, and smoke all will likely yield at least a few
carcinogens.
Ham is tasty and that is important. If it is precooked, it is a fast food
and it
certainly better than many foods people eat.

Pork is great food. Pork fat rules. Pork riblets, pork chops, pork loin
roast.... yumm.

A healthy pig raised on good healthy natural foods in a clean healthy
environment makes great healthy food.

TC

EaglesReact said:

Is pork good for you?

Pork is NOT Good Food if you are a Pig! Oink, oink

John 'the Man said:

EaglesReact said:

Is pork good for you?

Pork is NOT Good Food if you are a Pig! Oink, oink

That is his problem, isn't it. Pays to be near the top of the food
chain.

TC

TC said:

A healthy pig raised on good healthy
natural foods in a clean healthy
environment makes great healthy food.

..
Well, that rules out most of the pork sold in the US. 🙁

John 'the Man said:

TC said:

A healthy pig raised on good healthy
natural foods in a clean healthy
environment makes great healthy food.

.
Well, that rules out most of the pork sold in the US. 🙁

I get mine from a friend who raises them. And I have an uncle who
supplies me with beef.

TC

TC said:

John 'the Man said:

TC said:

A healthy pig raised on good healthy
natural foods in a clean healthy
environment makes great healthy food.

.
Well, that rules out most of the pork sold in the US. 🙁

I get mine from a friend who raises them. And I have an uncle who
supplies me with beef.

TC

I guess that rules out anyone living in civilization.

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TC said:

John 'the Man said:

TC wrote:

> A healthy pig raised on good healthy
> natural foods in a clean healthy
> environment makes great healthy food.
.
Well, that rules out most of the pork sold in the US. 🙁

I get mine from a friend who raises them. And I have an uncle who
supplies me with beef.

TC

I guess that rules out anyone living in civilization.

No, it rules out the residents of the concrete jungle.

Seriously, you might be surprised what you turn up if you're
willing to pay a bit more.

On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

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I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is not
good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

Quoted message said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is not
good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

What is not good about it "RBR," is the FAT it contains. Remove all visible fat,
cut down a bit on your total consumption, and do not fry or otherwise cook it in
saturated fats, and then enjoy your pork !!
Barry

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On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

Quoted message said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

Barry said:

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On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

Quoted message said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in
brief is not good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more
pork you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it.
Everything in moderation as they used to say in saner days.

What is not good about it "RBR," is the FAT it contains. Remove all
visible fat, cut down a bit on your total consumption, and do not fry
or otherwise cook it in saturated fats, and then enjoy your pork !!
Barry

Okinawan elders eat /very little/ meat. According to the studies most of
the protein they consume is either soy or fish. I wouldn't recommend
pork.

http://okinawa-diet.com/okinawa_diet/okinawa_diet_food_pyramid.html

http://www.okinawaprogram.com/index.html

--
Juhana

jt said:

TC said:

John 'the Man said:

TC wrote:

> A healthy pig raised on good healthy
> natural foods in a clean healthy
> environment makes great healthy food.
.
Well, that rules out most of the pork sold in the US. 🙁

I get mine from a friend who raises them. And I have an uncle who
supplies me with beef.

TC

I guess that rules out anyone living in civilization.

If you take a short drive away from your "civilization" and go to a
small country town near you, go to the local butcher shop and ask them
if they know any producers with cattle or pigs that you can buy and ask
where you might get it slaughtered and butchered, you would be
surprised how easy it is to source fresh farm raised meat. Often the
producer will deliver the animal or the carcass directly to the butcher
or abattoir of your choice. You tell the butcher how you want it cut,
he or she will help you figure that out. Just ask questions.

All you have to do then is pick up the packaged and frozen meat and pay
for it. Last year I got a half a cow for $2.00/lbs, cut, wrapped and
frozen. Barley fed. Excellent beef.

TC

There is really no bad food, just too much.

Practice moderation in all things.

J>

RBR said:

On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

Quoted message said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is not
good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

Nonsense. We did just fine with butter, meat and full fat dairy
products before this low fat diet fad began. The fad is based upon
biased and flawed studies such as the Seven Countries Study.

Regards.

Rob

Barry said:

What is not good about it "RBR," is the FAT it contains. Remove all visible fat,
cut down a bit on your total consumption, and do not fry or otherwise cook it in
saturated fats, and then enjoy your pork !!
Barry

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On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)

Quoted message said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

RBR wrote:

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You can go back into hibernation, RBR.

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Nonsense. We did just fine with butter, meat and full fat dairy
products before this low fat diet fad began. The fad is based upon
biased and flawed studies such as the Seven Countries Study.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The Seven Countries Study is flawed?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/

Hi "RBR",
I am puzzled why you even asked about pork, if you believe that less
consumption of fatty meat and saturated fats is merely a "fad"diet.
Regards, Barry

"RBR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nonsense. We did just fine with butter, meat and full fat dairy
products before this low fat diet fad began. The fad is based upon
biased and flawed studies such as the Seven Countries Study.

Regards.

Rob

Barry said:

What is not good about it "RBR," is the FAT it contains. Remove all visible

fat,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cut down a bit on your total consumption, and do not fry or otherwise cook it

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

saturated fats, and then enjoy your pork !!
Barry

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On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)
wrote:

>I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not

Quoted message said:

>good about eating it?

Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
moderation as they used to say in saner days.

Regards.

Rob

EaglesReact on 12/22/04 said:

I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief is
not good about eating it?

Neu5Gc may not be good about it.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973366.asp?cp1=1

THE COMPOUND, called sialic acid, is found on the surfaces of animal cells
but is not found in people, and may be one reason why animal-to-human organ
and tissue transplants do not work well. Animals have a version called
Neu5Gc, while humans carry Neu5Ac.
But researchers at the University of California San Diego found it does
show up in the human body, and showed it can be absorbed from eating red
meat and milk.
They also showed that the body produces an immune response against the
molecule.
Dr. Ajit Varki and colleagues, reporting in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences, say it is too soon to make any recommendations
based on their findings.
"Of course, there are already existing recommendations that people
should not consume too much food containing saturated fats, such as dairy
products and red meats," Varki said in a statement.
"The highest amount (of Neu5Gc) was found in lamb, pork, and beef
(so-called ¹red meat¹)," the researchers wrote. Levels were very low or
undetectable in poultry and fish, vegetables and hen¹s eggs.
Varki, who is not a vegetarian, noted that many studies have linked a
diet rich in meat and milk with cancer, heart disease and other diseases.

AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE
"The small amounts of Neu5Gc in normal tissues also raise the
possibility that anti-Neu5Gc antibodies are involved in autoimmunity," the
researchers said.
Autoimmune disease occur when the body mistakenly attacks healthy
tissue and include type-1 or juvenile diabetes and some types of arthritis.
"In this regard, it is interesting that vegetarian diet has been suggested
to improve rheumatoid arthritis," they wrote.
But much research has focused on the fat content of animal fat or
byproducts of cooking meat as the cause of disease.
Varki¹s collaborator Dr. Elaine Muchmore developed an antibody ‹ an
immune system targeting protein ‹ that would hook onto Neu5Gc. The team
found Neu5Gc in human tumor samples and to a much lower degree in healthy
tissue.
More tests showed that most people had made their own antibodies that
recognized Neu5Gc, and thus could potentially initiate an inflammatory
immune response.
Varki and two colleagues drank Neu5Gc purified from pork sources, and
the molecule showed up in their urine, blood, hair and saliva.
"We need to find out if there is any association between the presence
of Neu5Gc and/or the anti-Neu5Gc antibodies with any disease," Varki said.
"This will require large-scale population studies."
In some cases the human immune response was similar to that seen when
people are exposed to another animal molecule, this one a cell surface
molecule called alpha galactose.
Varki noted that the molecule is almost certainly not immediately toxic
to people.
"Meat eating has certainly been a feature of human ancestors for many
hundreds of thousands of years," he said.
"Thus, it is indeed possible that humans have developed some kind of
tolerance or indifference to Neu5Gc. However, most humans are continuing to
make antibodies against Neu5Gc."
It could be that the damage only builds up over years ‹ and that as
people live longer, the consequences make themselves felt.
"However, we are now living longer and the question arises whether the
gradual accumulation of Neu5Gc and the simultaneous presence of antibodies
against could be involved in some diseases of later life," he said.

Ummm, Barry it wasn't I who was asking about pork. Perhaps you need to
go back to the top of this thread.

Regards.

Rob

Barry said:

Hi "RBR",
I am puzzled why you even asked about pork, if you believe that less
consumption of fatty meat and saturated fats is merely a "fad"diet.
Regards, Barry

"RBR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Nonsense. We did just fine with butter, meat and full fat dairy
products before this low fat diet fad began. The fad is based upon
biased and flawed studies such as the Seven Countries Study.

Regards.

Rob

Barry said:

What is not good about it "RBR," is the FAT it contains. Remove all visible

fat,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cut down a bit on your total consumption, and do not fry or otherwise cook it

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

saturated fats, and then enjoy your pork !!
Barry

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> On 23 Dec 2004 05:25:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EaglesReact)
> wrote:
>
> >I eat a lot of pork and ham. Is pork good for you? If not, what in brief

is

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Quoted message said:

not
> >good about eating it?
>
> Pork is a commonly eaten meat in Asian countries. The Okinawans, whom
> are renown for longevity, eat pork. No this doesn't mean the more pork
> you eat the longer you will live but it is ok to eat it. Everything in
> moderation as they used to say in saner days.
>
> Regards.
>
> Rob