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Re: Experiences on a zero[ish] carb diet

MU · 2005-01-08T00:41:08+00:00

"Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" My name is Bob and I'm a diabetic type one. I'm on a zero carb diet. I started it because I tested my blood sugars a lot soon after dx. I found that even if I followed advice on the right insulin shots before meals, my bg shot up, and it was a constant struggle to control it. The trouble was I was still eating pizza and stuff (not every night...). ...my fault I know but I had got the impression from the hospital people that I could eat what I wanted and just had to inject in advance. Anyway... rather than do half measures, I gave up carbs. Totally. Here we go again! If you give up carbs totally, all you have left is some meats and fat. There are carbs in most dairy products, eggs and all vegetables. Maybe not a lot, but certainly some. I would suggest there is history that says for 40 days you can give up *eating*. "Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" Feeling great. BG totally under control. Not sure what else you could ask for. I'm not advocating this lifesytle change [diet] for anyone out there but I have to say that you 'just don't need carbs'. Wrong. You can say that you, yourself does not need carbs. You can't say this for other people. By dinner time, the need for carbs is so intense that I've broken down and eaten some. Not a lot, but maybe 10g. I do feel better for a little while after that meal. But by bedtime I'm feeling like [censored] again. Granted, my situation may not be normal. "Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" Carbs: It's so convenient. Everything you can put something on or spread something on or eat for a sugar rush, is made out of carbs. But you don't need them. OK, i do take a daily vitamin pill to make up for the missing fruit and veg but that's it. I was going to put, as a disclaimer, "anyone thinking of undertaking this diet should first consult their doctor", but if you did that they would tell you not to do it. Not a reason to not include your physician in your health processes. PS. One advantage is that you can taste EVERY MOLECULE of sugar in anything you eat or drink. I think my brain was just saturated with sugar. Maybe 'sugar is the opium of the masses'. It's much nicer like this. It's like getting a "taste" back. Like an extra sense (well, part of taste) There is inverse relationship between gluttony and taste. Any reduction in food consumption will generate, ime, more taste and guess what, more taste = greater satisfaction with less volume. Hint for those out there who love their food...you've traded your real quality for quantity.

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MU
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8 January 2005, 00:41 UTC #1

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"Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" < @.>
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My name is Bob and I'm a diabetic type one. I'm on a zero carb diet. I
started it because I tested my blood sugars a lot soon after dx. I found
that even if I followed advice on the right insulin shots before meals, my
bg shot up, and it was a constant struggle to control it. The trouble was

I
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was still eating pizza and stuff (not every night...). ...my fault I know
but I had got the impression from the hospital people that I could eat

what
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I wanted and just had to inject in advance.
Anyway... rather than do half measures, I gave up carbs.
Totally.
Julie Bove said:
Here we go again! If you give up carbs totally, all you have left is some
meats and fat. There are carbs in most dairy products, eggs and all
vegetables. Maybe not a lot, but certainly some.
I would suggest there is history that says for 40 days you can give up
*eating*.
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"Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" < @.>
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Feeling great. BG totally under control. Not sure what else you could

ask
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for.
I'm not advocating this lifesytle change [diet] for anyone out there but I
have to say that you 'just don't need carbs'.
Julie Bove said:
Wrong. You can say that you, yourself does not need carbs. You can't say
this for other people. By dinner time, the need for carbs is so
intense that I've broken down and eaten some. Not a lot, but maybe 10g. I
do feel better for a little while after that meal. But by bedtime I'm
feeling like [censored] again. Granted, my situation may not be normal.
"Bob................................(with thanks to privacy.net)" < @.>
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Carbs: It's so convenient. Everything you can put something on or spread
something on or eat for a sugar rush, is made out of carbs. But you don't
need them. OK, i do take a daily vitamin pill to make up for the missing
fruit and veg but that's it. I was going to put, as a disclaimer, "anyone thinking of undertaking this
diet should first consult their doctor", but if you did that they would

tell
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you not to do it.
Not a reason to not include your physician in your health processes.
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PS. One advantage is that you can taste EVERY MOLECULE of sugar in

anything
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you eat or drink. I think my brain was just saturated with sugar. Maybe
'sugar is the opium of the masses'. It's much nicer like this. It's like
getting a "taste" back. Like an extra sense (well, part of taste)
There is inverse relationship between gluttony and taste. Any reduction in
food consumption will generate, ime, more taste and guess what, more taste
= greater satisfaction with less volume. Hint for those out there who love
their food...you've traded your real quality for quantity.

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Moira de Swardt
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8 January 2005, 10:45 UTC #2

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would suggest there is history that says for 40 days you can

give up
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*eating*.
Yes. But the people who do that generally have quite a lot of
practice in fasting and quite a low body fat ratio to start with.
While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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Moira de Swardt
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8 January 2005, 15:49 UTC #3

"Ignoramus4718" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar

periods.
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We had a nanny whose father (Baptist) fasted for about 40 days.
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He was okay during his fast, given the circumstances, but he broke

it
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with too much food and nearly died because his intestines were not
prepared to handle so much food. The doctors at his hospital said
literally that it was miracle that he remained alive. A long fast
needs to be broken very carefully.
What usually happens with people who fast for religious purposes is
that they begin by skipping the midday meal for a number of days -
usually in unconnected days, then they add to that skipping the
morning/evening meal (depending on how their lives work).
Eventually they go from sunset to sunset or sunrise to sunrise
without food. One day. Here they learn the importance of easing
back into eating. Then they do a three day fast. Probably several
more one day fasts and another three day fast. Then they do a seven
or eight day fast. Here they really learn to have only diluted
fruit juice for a few hours, then a little mashed banana, then a few
hours later a light carb etc. They won't eat fat for three or four
days. Once one has done a seven or eight day fast two or three
times one may be psychologically ready for a twenty one day fast.
The body does not start to "eat itself" in a twenty one day fast,
but will use all the surplus fat reserves. Then, and only then, do
these "masters" attempt a forty day fast. By the end of the forty
day fast they are usually using their own muscle to sustain the
fast, and are literally starting to starve. They will then break
the fast slowly over a period of another week or so. It is unlikely
that most of these people will ever do more than one forty day fast,
but some really zealous people do one every year. These people
seldom fast between times as they recognise the need to retain some
surplus reserves for their next fast. Most of these people are
highly disciplined people in a wide variety of ways, and very, very
few of them would have a weight problem in the same manner as most
of us here have had or still have one.
Muslims do the midday meal skipping thing for forty days a year, and
Lent is a forty day fast, usually designed for reduction to one or
two meals a day. I may try a two meal a day Lent this year as I am
from a Christian tradition and find it interesting that Muslims are
required to do this as an essential discipline while Christians
pussyfoot around the whole concept. Interestingly from my point of
view, Lent has one free day (Sunday) every week. Many Christians
are not aware of that.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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8 January 2005, 17:58 UTC #4

"> While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
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there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet haven't
noticed."
Could you explain the logic of your conclusion? What has fasting to do
with the 2pdiet?

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MU
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8 January 2005, 18:37 UTC #5

Moira de Swardt said:
"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would suggest there is history that says for 40 days you can

give up
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*eating*.
Yes. But the people who do that generally have quite a lot of
practice in fasting and quite a low body fat ratio to start with.
While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet haven't
noticed.

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MU
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8 January 2005, 19:08 UTC #6

Moira de Swardt said:
I may try a two meal a day Lent this year as I am
from a Christian tradition and find it interesting that Muslims are
required to do this as an essential discipline while Christians
pussyfoot around the whole concept. Interestingly from my point of
view, Lent has one free day (Sunday) every week. Many Christians
are not aware of that.
Pussyfoot, you bet. Raised Catholic, our Lent "fast" was giving up one
item.
I gave up overcooked spinach each year.

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Moira de Swardt
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8 January 2005, 19:44 UTC #7

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would suggest there is history that says for 40 days you can

give up
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*eating*.
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While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar

periods.
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That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet

haven't
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noticed.
No. I believe the Biblical account. I simply mention that there is
no record of how Jesus coped with it. In fact, it's very plausible
and has been done many times since then by people, including famous
people like Gandhi.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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Moira de Swardt
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8 January 2005, 19:50 UTC #8

"Ignoramus4718" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:49:40 +0200, Moira de Swardt

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Muslims do the midday meal skipping thing for forty days a year,

and
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Lent is a forty day fast, usually designed for reduction to one

or
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two meals a day. I may try a two meal a day Lent this year as I

am
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from a Christian tradition and find it interesting that Muslims

are
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required to do this as an essential discipline while Christians
pussyfoot around the whole concept. Interestingly from my point

of
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view, Lent has one free day (Sunday) every week. Many

Christians
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are not aware of that.
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I would not see these examples as a true fast.
No, nor would I. But as a discipline it is quite interesting,
although I would take water in. It may have positive spin-offs for
dieting providing that I did not increase the total food intake for
the various meals I have a day, but stuck at 500 calories for
breakfast and 500 calories for the evening meal. That would reduce
calories consumed to 1000 rather than the 1500 I'm presently
averaging. The problem might be that my diet would be deficient in
other less acceptable ways.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Day six of my new WOL
136.8kg/134.4kg/90kgs (first goal)

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Moira de Swardt
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8 January 2005, 19:53 UTC #9

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:49:40 +0200, Moira de Swardt wrote:
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I may try a two meal a day Lent this year as I am
from a Christian tradition and find it interesting that Muslims

are
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required to do this as an essential discipline while Christians
pussyfoot around the whole concept. Interestingly from my point

of
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view, Lent has one free day (Sunday) every week. Many

Christians
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are not aware of that.
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Pussyfoot, you bet. Raised Catholic, our Lent "fast" was giving up

one
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item.
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I gave up overcooked spinach each year.
I have very seldom given up food items. I don't think of Lent as
being a time of "the Christian diet". The year I gave up magazines
was probably the most difficult year. I pledged that money to the
poor. I have never gone back to purchasing quite so many magazines.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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8 January 2005, 23:37 UTC #10

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I would not see these examples as a true fast.
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marengo
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8 January 2005, 23:48 UTC #11

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|| "> While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
||| there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
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|| That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
|| interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet
|| haven't noticed."
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|| Could you explain the logic of your conclusion? What has fasting to
|| do with the 2pdiet?
There is proof positive that the 2PDiet causes brain damage: every one of
its proponents exhibit sociopathic behavior, beginning with annoying
crossposting.
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9 January 2005, 00:00 UTC #12

"Muslims do the midday meal skipping thing for forty days a year, and
Lent is a forty day fast, usually designed for reduction to one or
two meals a day. I may try a two meal a day Lent this year as I am
from a Christian tradition and find it interesting that Muslims are
required to do this as an essential discipline while Christians
pussyfoot around the whole concept. Interestingly from my point of
view, Lent has one free day (Sunday) every week. Many Christians
are not aware of that."
Muslims do a sun up to sun down fast for a month, Ramadan which includes
abstaining from food and water. In the Christian tradition fasting in the
original form and practiced still by some includes fasting from meat and
wine and oil every wed. and fri. the year round. For Easter and Christmas
this fast is evry day for a 40 day period leading up to these holidays.
There are other periods of fasting that are for days or weeks related to
other Church feast days. In this tradition a good part of every year is
thus spent in fasting with additional prayers and alms giving and other
spiritual activities.

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Xtile
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9 January 2005, 00:34 UTC #13

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>>While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
>>there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
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You could try the Master Cleanse:
http://yestheyrefake.net/lemonade_diet_cleanse_journal.htm
I've had a few friends fast doing it this way. They felt pretty much no
hunger, though of course they did miss eating. Lost wieght, too. I'm
thinking about giving it a try once my parents are done visiting (next
week).

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Alley
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9 January 2005, 01:06 UTC #14

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I gave up overcooked spinach each year.
One year I told the dear and holy nuns that I was giving up lent for
lent. For some strange reason they didn't smile upon such sacrifice,
nor did they even find it remotely amusing. Neither did I after they
called my mom.

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Tarkus
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9 January 2005, 02:57 UTC #15

Alley said:
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I gave up overcooked spinach each year.
One year I told the dear and holy nuns that I was giving up lent for
lent. For some strange reason they didn't smile upon such sacrifice,
nor did they even find it remotely amusing. Neither did I after they
called my mom.
I think it's pretty funny myself!
--
"When I was born, the doctor came out to the waiting room and said to my
father... 'I'm very sorry.....we did everything we could.....but he
pulled through.'" - Rodney Dangerfield
Now playing: "Stevie Ray Vaughan - Pride And Joy/Texas Flood"

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MU
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9 January 2005, 18:06 UTC #16

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I gave up overcooked spinach each year.
One year I told the dear and holy nuns that I was giving up lent for
lent. For some strange reason they didn't smile upon such sacrifice,
nor did they even find it remotely amusing. Neither did I after they
called my mom.
I think it's pretty funny myself!
The whole Lent thing was, for many, a joke.

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MU
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9 January 2005, 18:08 UTC #17

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"> While there is no record of how Jesus coped with a 40 day fast,
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there are records of Gandhi's fasts which were for similar periods.
That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet haven't
noticed."
Could you explain the logic of your conclusion? What has fasting to do
with the 2pdiet?
The logic is for you to find. I'll give you a hint.
When you drop food intake on the 2PDiet, what is supposed to happen to
hunger?

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MU
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9 January 2005, 18:09 UTC #18

Moira de Swardt said:
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That means you don't believe the Bible's account which is rather
interesting. It's funny how the loudest voices against the 2PDiet

haven't
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noticed.
No. I believe the Biblical account. I simply mention that there is
no record of how Jesus coped with it.
Coped as in the daily journal?

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Moira de Swardt
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9 January 2005, 21:44 UTC #19

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:44:22 +0200, Moira de Swardt wrote:
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No. I believe the Biblical account. I simply mention that

there is
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no record of how Jesus coped with it.
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Coped as in the daily journal?
Nothing. It's one of those unexplained things. I would like to
have heard about how He dealt with it, yes, perhaps a daily journal
style. The lack of emphasis on fasting seems very odd to me when
one thinks that Judaism had a fairly strong tradition of fasting.
Perhaps it was something that all the gospel writers just assumed
everyone knew about.
Obesity wouldn't have been a common problem in Biblical times.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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MU
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10 January 2005, 16:40 UTC #20

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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:44:22 +0200, Moira de Swardt wrote:
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No. I believe the Biblical account. I simply mention that

there is
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no record of how Jesus coped with it.
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Coped as in the daily journal?
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Nothing. It's one of those unexplained things.
We know He was hungry.
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I would like to
have heard about how He dealt with it, yes, perhaps a daily journal
style. The lack of emphasis on fasting seems very odd to me when
one thinks that Judaism had a fairly strong tradition of fasting.
Perhaps it was something that all the gospel writers just assumed
everyone knew about.
Yes, I agree it's odd but there were no continuing eyewitnesses either.

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