The Truth About Dr. Robert Atkins

It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be looked at
as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would hire people who he
knew would only praise him and tell him things he wanted to hear."

I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to doctors
with diet obsessions?

MU wrote:

[snip]

|| Challenged that this was unethical, Atkins argued: "They came to me
|| first." This is the Roger Zoul School Of Denial at work here.

More MU nonsense.

MU wrote:

[snip]

|| Challenged that this was unethical, Atkins argued: "They came to me
|| first." This is the Roger Zoul School Of Denial at work here.

More MU nonsense.

Quoted message said:

It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be looked at
as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would hire people who he
knew would only praise him and tell him things he wanted to hear."

The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their blood
lipid profiles weren't enough?

Quoted message said:

I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to doctors
with diet obsessions?

It is, and to their lackeys, too.

--
Bob in CT

Bob M wrote:
|| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
||| he wanted to hear."
||
|| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
|| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?

keep in mind that that quote is someone's opinion.

However, the book does talk to how atkins was raised; apparently his
upbringing contributed to some of this attitude he had.

||
||| I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to
||| doctors with diet obsessions?
||
|| It is, and to their lackeys, too.
||
|| --
|| Bob in CT

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob M wrote:
|| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
||| he wanted to hear."
||
|| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
|| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?

keep in mind that that quote is someone's opinion.

However, the book does talk to how atkins was raised; apparently his
upbringing contributed to some of this attitude he had.

Well, he could've done a better job at promoting the diet through means
such as studies and trying to convince doctors that it's correct. But,
honestly, he happened upon a good idea -- too many carbs are bad. Heck, I
don't care what he was like as a person. His ideas totally changed the
way I eat. I went from low fat/high carb to low carb and it was an
amazing transformation. I can't go back, and don't want to go back, to
low fat. So, for me, how he was a person is immaterial.

--
Bob in CT

Bob M wrote:
|| On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0500, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Bob M wrote:
||||| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||||
|||||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
|||||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
|||||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
|||||| he wanted to hear."
|||||
||||| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
||||| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?
|||
||| keep in mind that that quote is someone's opinion.
|||
||| However, the book does talk to how atkins was raised; apparently his
||| upbringing contributed to some of this attitude he had.
|||
|| Well, he could've done a better job at promoting the diet through
|| means such as studies and trying to convince doctors that it's
|| correct.

But on this point, I think you and most of us are looking at this through
the eyes of history. Atkins was a practicing doctor - indeed, he was trying
to build a practice through nontraditation means. if you read that book,
you find comments were he did try to invite other medical professionals to
review his case studies. None were interested. Expecting him to leave his
practice and fund studies THEN is just not common sense.

But, honestly, he happened upon a good idea -- too many
|| carbs are bad. Heck, I don't care what he was like as a person.
|| His ideas totally changed the way I eat. I went from low fat/high
|| carb to low carb and it was an amazing transformation. I can't go
|| back, and don't want to go back, to low fat. So, for me, how he was
|| a person is immaterial.

Atkins spent a lot of his personal time reading journal articles. It is not
surprising that he saw the work of others (while trying to deal with his own
weight problem) and built his plan.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:36:02 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob M wrote:
|| On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0500, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Bob M wrote:
||||| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||||
|||||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
|||||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
|||||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
|||||| he wanted to hear."
|||||
||||| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
||||| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?
|||
||| keep in mind that that quote is someone's opinion.
|||
||| However, the book does talk to how atkins was raised; apparently his
||| upbringing contributed to some of this attitude he had.
|||
|| Well, he could've done a better job at promoting the diet through
|| means such as studies and trying to convince doctors that it's
|| correct.

But on this point, I think you and most of us are looking at this through
the eyes of history. Atkins was a practicing doctor - indeed, he was
trying
to build a practice through nontraditation means. if you read that book,
you find comments were he did try to invite other medical professionals
to
review his case studies. None were interested. Expecting him to leave
his
practice and fund studies THEN is just not common sense.

That's true -- it was only until later in life that his foundation had the
money to fund studies.

Quoted message said:

But, honestly, he happened upon a good idea -- too many
|| carbs are bad. Heck, I don't care what he was like as a person.
|| His ideas totally changed the way I eat. I went from low fat/high
|| carb to low carb and it was an amazing transformation. I can't go
|| back, and don't want to go back, to low fat. So, for me, how he was
|| a person is immaterial.

Atkins spent a lot of his personal time reading journal articles. It is
not
surprising that he saw the work of others (while trying to deal with his
own
weight problem) and built his plan.

I'm surprised he was able to ferret out any good low carb articles, given
the avalanche of articles caused by the low fat paradigm.

--
Bob in CT

Bob M wrote:
|| On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:36:02 -0500, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Bob M wrote:
||||| On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0500, Roger Zoul
||||| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||||
|||||| Bob M wrote:
|||||||| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
||||||||
||||||||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
||||||||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he
||||||||| would hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell
||||||||| him things he wanted to hear."
||||||||
|||||||| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved
|||||||| their blood lipid profiles weren't enough?
||||||
|||||| keep in mind that that quote is someone's opinion.
||||||
|||||| However, the book does talk to how atkins was raised; apparently
|||||| his upbringing contributed to some of this attitude he had.
||||||
||||| Well, he could've done a better job at promoting the diet through
||||| means such as studies and trying to convince doctors that it's
||||| correct.
|||
||| But on this point, I think you and most of us are looking at this
||| through the eyes of history. Atkins was a practicing doctor -
||| indeed, he was trying
||| to build a practice through nontraditation means. if you read that
||| book, you find comments were he did try to invite other medical
||| professionals to
||| review his case studies. None were interested. Expecting him to
||| leave his
||| practice and fund studies THEN is just not common sense.
||
|| That's true -- it was only until later in life that his foundation
|| had the money to fund studies.
||
||| But, honestly, he happened upon a good idea -- too many
||||| carbs are bad. Heck, I don't care what he was like as a person.
||||| His ideas totally changed the way I eat. I went from low fat/high
||||| carb to low carb and it was an amazing transformation. I can't go
||||| back, and don't want to go back, to low fat. So, for me, how he
||||| was a person is immaterial.
|||
||| Atkins spent a lot of his personal time reading journal articles.
||| It is not
||| surprising that he saw the work of others (while trying to deal
||| with his own
||| weight problem) and built his plan.
|||
|||
||
|| I'm surprised he was able to ferret out any good low carb articles,
|| given the avalanche of articles caused by the low fat paradigm.

The book points to a few different articles, iirc.

Quoted message said:

It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be looked at
as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would hire people who he
knew would only praise him and tell him things he wanted to hear."

I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to doctors
with diet obsessions?

In my experience, it is a trademark of many doctors I know. God Complex.

Bob M said:

Quoted message said:

It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be looked at
as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would hire people who he
knew would only praise him and tell him things he wanted to hear."

The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their blood
lipid profiles weren't enough?

Not even close. Atkins wasn't "in it" for the patients accolades. He wanted
public fame and revenge on the established medical community.....at any
cost.

MaÇk· said:

not cross posted to the kook newsgroup it originated from sci med
cardiology

alt.support.diet,sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes

it's another attempt at getting chung into a thread about his usual
scam

returned to cross posting to
alt.support.diet,sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes

Thanks for listing the other newsgroups, Muck. Made it easier to cut and
paste. lol

"Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]
|| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
||| he wanted to hear."
||
|| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
|| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?
||
||| I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to
||| doctors with diet obsessions?
||
|| It is, and to their lackeys, too.
||
|| --
|| Bob in CT

Not to mention that Dr. Atkins was twice the cardiologist that Andrew Chung
is. The former at least spent his time in the medical and nutritional field
trying to improve people's health rather than spending all his time annoying
people with unwanted and off-topic newsgroup posts like the latter.

"Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]
|| On 11 Jan 2005 18:29:58 GMT, <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| It wasn't enough for him just to be a doctor; he needed to be
||| looked at as unusual, and he needed constant praise, so he would
||| hire people who he knew would only praise him and tell him things
||| he wanted to hear."
||
|| The accolades of all the people who lost weight and improved their
|| blood lipid profiles weren't enough?
||
||| I think you are onto something here. Do you think it peculiar to
||| doctors with diet obsessions?
||
|| It is, and to their lackeys, too.
||
|| --
|| Bob in CT

Not to mention that Dr. Atkins was twice the cardiologist that Andrew Chung
is. The former at least spent his time in the medical and nutritional field
trying to improve people's health rather than spending all his time annoying
people with unwanted and off-topic newsgroup posts like the latter.