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Low-carb baking: a short, grim essay

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  1. So far, those eager to bake low-carb have found a reasonable sugar
    substitute (Splenda) though it does not do all of what sugar does
    (chiefly it lacks gelling function).

    The insuperable problem for the low-carb baker is flour. The following
    flour substitutes have been tried by various low-carbers and their
    recipe books:

    Soy flour - tastes beastly; requires wildly strong counter-flavour to
    block taste (cf Atkins Brownie Mix - pretty gross). Little gluten.
    Browns very quickly.

    Vital wheat gluten: very, very strong, so creates elastic or rubbery
    texture

    Ground seeds: used alone, no gluten. Very heavy and dense (see nuts,
    below). Flaxseeds when moist have a texture some describe as 'like
    snot'. Baked, they are gritty. Used in huge flourlike quantities they
    are calorie-dense and carby, esp. poppyseeds.

    Soy Protein Powder: no gluten. Dense texture, and somewhat gritty.

    Whey protein powder: carbier, and see above. Hard to get in flavourless
    forms, and flavoured forms taste very artificial.

    Ground nuts: make baked goods dense and heavy

    Coarse bran: used alone, the result is heavy and damp. Too many carbs
    for some.

    A mixture of the above: I have made acceptable bread from a mix of VWG,
    ground flaxseed, whey powder and coarse bran. The gluten prevents the
    other ingredients from being heavy and the whey tenderises the dough so
    the gluten isn't too rubbery.

    Generally, the following kinds of baked goods work reasonably well:

    Biscotti and cantucci, brutti mar buoni and the like - basically
    anything with a ground-nut base, eg Emily Luchetti's walnut cake,
    Claudia Roden's orange-almond cake

    Macaroons - almond or coconut

    Wholegrain-style breads

    Custards and cheesecakes

    Flourless cakes of the Chocolate Oblivion variety, though these are not
    really very low carb.

    What doesn't work at all in my experience is cake, biscuits, muffins,
    anything that requires lightness and softness. Yes, I've made the
    recipes around - many, many of them - the results were - well, let's say
    nuggety - dry, powdery, hard-edged, and lacking in softness and
    lightness. The problem is that there is no low-carb equivalent of cake
    flour, as all the above are either hard or utterly gluten free. But it
    must theoretically be possible to combine VWG and one of the gluten-free
    items above in such proportions that they equal cake flour. Has anyone
    had any luck in doing so?

    I don't myself crave cake, and on the whole what I dislike about low-
    carb baked goods is that they are like a plastic imitation of real food,
    whereas what drew me to lowcarbing was the possibility of mainly eating
    real stuff like meat and veggies and single-estate olive oil. But as a
    keen and fairly scientific baker I'm intellectually curious about the
    problem.

    Let's save time, JD. I know cakes are never lowcarb. Of course people
    who eat lots of cake will get fat.
    --
    Jane Lumley

  2. "Jane Lumley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't myself crave cake, and on the whole what I dislike about low-
    carb baked goods is that they are like a plastic imitation of real food,
    whereas what drew me to lowcarbing was the possibility of mainly eating
    real stuff like meat and veggies and single-estate olive oil. But as a
    keen and fairly scientific baker I'm intellectually curious about the
    problem.

    Isn't this the point? For me it's a lot easier to say cake is not on my
    menu rather than have some pale imitation. Now and then I'll eat a piece of
    real cake (talk about sugar shock! ) but I don't go for substitutes. Of
    course it's unfortunate that you are keenly interested in baking, but
    perhaps you could fulfil your artistic yen by baking for others, a
    charitable cause perhaps, and enjoying the triple satisfaction of the act of
    producing, the benefit to others and the warm self-satisfaction you'll feel
    when you do not indulge yourself.

  3. Low Carb Baking
    Government Organization
    Alone Together
    Personal Computer
    Silent Scream
    Living Dead
    Same Difference
    Taped Live
    Plastic Glasses
    Tight Slacks
    Peace Force
    Pretty Ugly
    Head Butt
    Working Vacation
    Tax Return
    Virtual Reality
    Dodge Ram
    Work Party
    Jumbo Shrimp
    Healthy Tan
    Microsoft Works

    All oxymorons.

    TC

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Anthony
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't this the point? For me it's a lot easier to say cake is not on my
    menu rather than have some pale imitation. Now and then I'll eat a piece of
    real cake (talk about sugar shock! ) but I don't go for substitutes. Of
    course it's unfortunate that you are keenly interested in baking, but
    perhaps you could fulfil your artistic yen by baking for others, a
    charitable cause perhaps, and enjoying the triple satisfaction of the act of
    producing, the benefit to others and the warm self-satisfaction you'll feel
    when you do not indulge yourself.

    Thank you, but I do this already; I bake all the bread for my family -
    we don't buy in any baked goods - and I always have a full cookie jar,
    fresh puddings (that's dessert), and at weekends a cake or similar that
    the family choose. In summer I make jam, preserves and other ways of
    storing food. I don't eat any of the stuff I make and I don't mind a
    bit about anything but the wholemeal miche pointe a caillere, which I
    could fall on anytime, but don't. I'm just intellectually interested in
    the problem of low-carb cake, because it's intriguing.
    --
    Jane Lumley

  5. "Jane Lumley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    the wholemeal miche pointe a caillere, which I

    Quoted message said:

    could fall on anytime, but don't. I'm just intellectually interested in
    the problem of low-carb cake, because it's intriguing.
    --
    Jane Lumley

    Miche pointe a caillere? A sourdough bread, perhaps?

  6. It's not ALL that grim...

    Did you see the post I made about the blueberry muffins from Low Carb &
    Lovin it? They turned out fantastic! Perfect texture, tasted great. Using
    club soda really does seem to help.

    --
    Spring
    LC since 1/1/04
    260/200/170

    "Before" & "current" pics at link below:
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph

  7. Have you tried resistant starch?

    JM

    Jane Lumley said:

    So far, those eager to bake low-carb have found a reasonable sugar
    substitute (Splenda) though it does not do all of what sugar does
    (chiefly it lacks gelling function).

    The insuperable problem for the low-carb baker is flour. The


    following

    Quoted message said:

    flour substitutes have been tried by various low-carbers and their
    recipe books:

  8. Muffins are why you still weigh 200 pounds.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Sprgtime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's not ALL that grim...

    Did you see the post I made about the blueberry muffins from Low Carb &
    Lovin it? They turned out fantastic! Perfect texture, tasted great.
    Using club soda really does seem to help.

    --
    Spring
    LC since 1/1/04
    260/200/170

    "Before" & "current" pics at link below:
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Sprgtime
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    It's not ALL that grim...

    Did you see the post I made about the blueberry muffins from Low Carb &
    Lovin it? They turned out fantastic! Perfect texture, tasted great. Using
    club soda really does seem to help.

    Spring, would you be willing to post the recipe?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Jane Lumley

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,
    jenamarie <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Have you tried resistant starch?

    No, and I have no idea what it is. Do lighten my darkness, though! Not
    laundry starch, I assume.

    Quoted message said:


    JM

    Jane Lumley said:

    So far, those eager to bake low-carb have found a reasonable sugar
    substitute (Splenda) though it does not do all of what sugar does
    (chiefly it lacks gelling function).

    The insuperable problem for the low-carb baker is flour. The


    following

    Quoted message said:

    flour substitutes have been tried by various low-carbers and their
    recipe books:


    --
    Jane Lumley

  11. Jane Lumley <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ....

    Quoted message said:

    I don't myself crave cake, and on the whole what I dislike about low-
    carb baked goods is that they are like a plastic imitation of real food,

    I found early on that eating stuff that was pretending to be food that
    wasn't on the diet was going to stall me out.

    Quoted message said:

    whereas what drew me to lowcarbing was the possibility of mainly eating
    real stuff like meat and veggies and single-estate olive oil. But as a
    keen and fairly scientific baker I'm intellectually curious about the
    problem.

    I should get my wife online. She is Baker to the Gods and has yet to
    manage a truly tasty low-carb baked product. We finally gave up and stick
    with small servings of the real thing (with no wheat for me).

    Dan
    325/191/190
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

  12. I think this is the one:

    http://www.foodtv.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26548,00.html

    Blueberry Muffins

    Vegetable oil cooking spray
    2 tablespoons wheat (or oat) bran and 1 tablespoon soy flour, mixed together
    1 cup soy flour
    1/2 cup sugar substitute (recommended: Splenda)
    1 teaspoon baking powder
    2 eggs
    1/2 cup heavy cream
    1/3 cup club soda
    1/2 cup blueberries (if not sweet, sprinkle with 1 tablespoon of sugar
    substitute)

    Preheat oven to 375 degrees F.
    Spray a 6-cup muffin tin with vegetable oil cooking spray. Evenly sprinkle
    the pan with the wheat bran and soy flour mix, being careful to coat the
    sides of the cups also; this will prevent sticking.

    In a bowl using a wire whisk, mix all the remaining ingredients, except the
    blueberries, until well blended. Then fold in the blueberries and fill the 6
    muffins cups evenly with the batter. Place on the center rack of the oven
    and bake for 20 to 25 minutes, or until the tops turn golden brown and a
    toothpick stuck in the center comes out clean. Remove from oven and let cool
    before refrigerating. Serve warm with butter or cold with cream cheese.

    Cook's Note: In place of blueberries you can use raspberries, blackberries,
    banana extract and walnuts, lemon or almond extract and poppy seeds,
    cranberries, pumpkin, or other favorite flavors.

    "Jane Lumley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Sprgtime
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    It's not ALL that grim...

    Did you see the post I made about the blueberry muffins from Low Carb &
    Lovin it? They turned out fantastic! Perfect texture, tasted great.
    Using
    club soda really does seem to help.

    Spring, would you be willing to post the recipe?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Jane Lumley

  13. Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You don't have a under active thyroid, you have an over active fork.

    "Tara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think this is the one:

    http://www.foodtv.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26548,00.html

    Blueberry Muffins

    Vegetable oil cooking spray
    2 tablespoons wheat (or oat) bran and 1 tablespoon soy flour, mixed
    together
    1 cup soy flour
    1/2 cup sugar substitute (recommended: Splenda)
    1 teaspoon baking powder
    2 eggs
    1/2 cup heavy cream
    1/3 cup club soda
    1/2 cup blueberries (if not sweet, sprinkle with 1 tablespoon of sugar
    substitute)

    Preheat oven to 375 degrees F.
    Spray a 6-cup muffin tin with vegetable oil cooking spray. Evenly sprinkle
    the pan with the wheat bran and soy flour mix, being careful to coat the
    sides of the cups also; this will prevent sticking.

    In a bowl using a wire whisk, mix all the remaining ingredients, except
    the blueberries, until well blended. Then fold in the blueberries and fill
    the 6 muffins cups evenly with the batter. Place on the center rack of the
    oven and bake for 20 to 25 minutes, or until the tops turn golden brown
    and a toothpick stuck in the center comes out clean. Remove from oven and
    let cool before refrigerating. Serve warm with butter or cold with cream
    cheese.

    Cook's Note: In place of blueberries you can use raspberries,
    blackberries, banana extract and walnuts, lemon or almond extract and
    poppy seeds, cranberries, pumpkin, or other favorite flavors.

    "Jane Lumley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Sprgtime
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    It's not ALL that grim...

    Did you see the post I made about the blueberry muffins from Low Carb &
    Lovin it? They turned out fantastic! Perfect texture, tasted great.
    Using
    club soda really does seem to help.

    Spring, would you be willing to post the recipe?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Jane Lumley

  14. Which ingredients aren't low carb?

    Tara

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You don't have a under active thyroid, you have an over active fork.

    "Tara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think this is the one:

    http://www.foodtv.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26548,00.html

    Blueberry Muffins

    Vegetable oil cooking spray
    2 tablespoons wheat (or oat) bran and 1 tablespoon soy flour, mixed
    together
    1 cup soy flour
    1/2 cup sugar substitute (recommended: Splenda)
    1 teaspoon baking powder
    2 eggs
    1/2 cup heavy cream
    1/3 cup club soda
    1/2 cup blueberries (if not sweet, sprinkle with 1 tablespoon of sugar
    substitute)

    Preheat oven to 375 degrees F.
    Spray a 6-cup muffin tin with vegetable oil cooking spray. Evenly
    sprinkle the pan with the wheat bran and soy flour mix, being careful to
    coat the sides of the cups also; this will prevent sticking.

    In a bowl using a wire whisk, mix all the remaining ingredients, except
    the blueberries, until well blended. Then fold in the blueberries and
    fill the 6 muffins cups evenly with the batter. Place on the center rack
    of the oven and bake for 20 to 25 minutes, or until the tops turn golden
    brown and a toothpick stuck in the center comes out clean. Remove from
    oven and let cool before refrigerating. Serve warm with butter or cold
    with cream cheese.

    Cook's Note: In place of blueberries you can use raspberries,
    blackberries, banana extract and walnuts, lemon or almond extract and
    poppy seeds, cranberries, pumpkin, or other favorite flavors.

  15. Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You don't have a under active thyroid, you have an over active fork.

    "Tara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Which ingredients aren't low carb?

    Tara

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You don't have a under active thyroid, you have an over active fork.

    "Tara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think this is the one:

    http://www.foodtv.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26548,00.html

    Blueberry Muffins

    Vegetable oil cooking spray
    2 tablespoons wheat (or oat) bran and 1 tablespoon soy flour, mixed
    together
    1 cup soy flour
    1/2 cup sugar substitute (recommended: Splenda)
    1 teaspoon baking powder
    2 eggs
    1/2 cup heavy cream
    1/3 cup club soda
    1/2 cup blueberries (if not sweet, sprinkle with 1 tablespoon of sugar
    substitute)

    Preheat oven to 375 degrees F.
    Spray a 6-cup muffin tin with vegetable oil cooking spray. Evenly
    sprinkle the pan with the wheat bran and soy flour mix, being careful to
    coat the sides of the cups also; this will prevent sticking.

    In a bowl using a wire whisk, mix all the remaining ingredients, except
    the blueberries, until well blended. Then fold in the blueberries and
    fill the 6 muffins cups evenly with the batter. Place on the center rack
    of the oven and bake for 20 to 25 minutes, or until the tops turn golden
    brown and a toothpick stuck in the center comes out clean. Remove from
    oven and let cool before refrigerating. Serve warm with butter or cold
    with cream cheese.

    Cook's Note: In place of blueberries you can use raspberries,
    blackberries, banana extract and walnuts, lemon or almond extract and
    poppy seeds, cranberries, pumpkin, or other favorite flavors.

  16. JC Der Koenig said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.


    Wrong again! lol

    Ketogenics
    Low Carb Muffin Mix, Wild Blueberry
    13.5 oz
    Nutrition Facts
    Serving Size: 1 muffin (23g)
    Servings Per Container: 10
    Per Serving % Daily Value*
    Total Calories 90
    Calories From Fat 23
    Total Fat 2.5 g
    Saturated Fat 0 g
    Cholesterol 0 mg
    Sodium 210 mg
    Total Carbohydrates 6 g
    Dietary Fiber 3 g
    Sugars 0 g
    Protein 11 g

    Vitamin A
    Vitamin C
    Calcium
    Iron
    Polydextrose 1 g
    *Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
    Ingredients: Wheat Gluten, Blueberries canned in water, Almond Flour,
    Resistant Starch soy protein, natural and artificial flavors, Sodium
    Aluminium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, salt, monocalcium phosphate,
    xanathan gum, sucralose (splenda brand non-nutritive sweetener).

    Warning: ALLERGY ALERT: Manufactured in a facility that may process
    nuts, including peanuts. This product contains carbohydrates. Not for
    use by a diabetic without the advice of a physician.

    This product may contain traces of nuts.

    Netrition.com's goal is to keep each product's label information up to
    date and accurate. However, we will not be held responsible for
    typographical errors and modifications to the product formulations.
    Please consult the product's actual label before using. If you notice
    that something has changed on a product's label that we have not changed
    on our website, please let us know. If you have further questions about
    this product, please contact Ketogenics at 1-800-943-5386

  17. Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.


    Wrong again! lol

    Ketogenics
    Low Carb Muffin Mix, Wild Blueberry
    13.5 oz
    Nutrition Facts
    Serving Size: 1 muffin (23g)
    Servings Per Container: 10
    Per Serving % Daily Value*
    Total Calories 90
    Calories From Fat 23
    Total Fat 2.5 g
    Saturated Fat 0 g
    Cholesterol 0 mg
    Sodium 210 mg
    Total Carbohydrates 6 g
    Dietary Fiber 3 g
    Sugars 0 g
    Protein 11 g

    Vitamin A
    Vitamin C
    Calcium
    Iron
    Polydextrose 1 g
    *Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
    Ingredients: Wheat Gluten, Blueberries canned in water, Almond Flour,
    Resistant Starch soy protein, natural and artificial flavors, Sodium
    Aluminium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, salt, monocalcium phosphate,
    xanathan gum, sucralose (splenda brand non-nutritive sweetener).

    Warning: ALLERGY ALERT: Manufactured in a facility that may process nuts,
    including peanuts. This product contains carbohydrates. Not for use by a
    diabetic without the advice of a physician.

    This product may contain traces of nuts.

    Netrition.com's goal is to keep each product's label information up to
    date and accurate. However, we will not be held responsible for
    typographical errors and modifications to the product formulations. Please
    consult the product's actual label before using. If you notice that
    something has changed on a product's label that we have not changed on our
    website, please let us know. If you have further questions about this
    product, please contact Ketogenics at 1-800-943-5386

  18. What if I shape some ground beef into a muffin shape and call it a Meat
    Muffin?

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:yMpGd.32793$St.2156@fed1read03...

    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.


    Wrong again! lol

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  19. Then it's not really a muffin, because as we all know, muffins aren't low
    carb.

    You can call a piece of dogshit a muffin, and munch on it because it's low
    carb, but that still doesn't make it really a muffin.

    But go right on ahead with your meat and dogshit "muffins".

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What if I shape some ground beef into a muffin shape and call it a Meat
    Muffin?

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    Muffins aren't low carb.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:yMpGd.32793$St.2156@fed1read03...

    Quoted message said:

    JC Der Koenig wrote:
    > Muffins aren't low carb.
    >
    Wrong again! lol

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  20. Luna said:

    What if I shape some ground beef into a muffin shape and call it a Meat
    Muffin?

    🙂
    --
    "I'm tempted to die to I can get a head start on spinning in my grave."

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