I need nice slick cable housing

If you have the cash, upgrade to the NOKON cables. The NOKON system is
great because the entire cable is enclosed except at the derailleur and
shifter which results in silky smooth shifting action and longer cable
life. You may also consider installing an AVID rollamajig to reduce
friction in that 180 degree bend just up-cable of the rear derailleur.
Cheers,

Uber Franz

Quoted message said:

Steve Knight said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It
came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading
to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or
should I get
something better?

jim beam said:

unless you have the lowest of low end, that "cheap shimano [censored]" has
o-ring seals in it which keep the crud out and hence keep your cable
running smoother longer than any of your unsealed alternatives. and
being as the housing load is axial, where the end stops of the
frame/r-der do the work against that axial load, plastic is no more
inappropriate than the plastic that lines the housing or protects the
exterior of the housing in the first place.

-snip-

In theory maybe. In practice, plastic ferrules bend sideways
under even moderate pressure causing shift difficulties.

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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it's better to replace the housing as well as the cable. grit doesn't
embed in the cable, but it does in the housing liner. replacing cables
alone only gives temporary respite because the root of the problem is
not removed. that's why the seals are a good idea. also, be careful
what you lube cable with. ordinary oil/grease tends to partially
dissolve some liners causing them to gum up. need to use something
inert like silicone. since i started using the extended shield cable
ferrules listed above, i've not had to touch the cables on my mtb in
over 2 years. before, i was having to strip & clean every few weeks.

they were only a few months old. I have only had the bike since October I think
so they were pretty new.
I went to one of the close shops to me to get some good shimano housing as
they sell it by the foot. the mechanic told me this new stuff worked better for
him and it was the same price per foot. though it came with these pre greased
cables that would release grease when they got warm. that sure sounded goofy.
but the housing is nice and the ends are really nice. they are turned aluminum
with a Teflon liner in the ends. it did not hurt they are made for the larger
Derailleur cable and the extra long ones I got from my bent shop are the smaller
ones.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0800, Steve Knight <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My recumbent needs some slick housing for good rear RD shifting. It came with
the cheap shimano [censored] that uses the plastic ends. Will just upgrading to the
top shimano stuff I can get at my bike shop by the foot be good or should I get
something better?

Should be plenty good enough and while I'm not an expert, I don't think there
really is anything significantly better.

Shimano is counting on that cable to justify their $400 STI shifters. I'd trust
them to do a decent job on it.

Ron

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
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Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted message said:

The casing itself is OK if you change to metal ferrules,
trim neatly as Mr Beam suggests, ensure the wires are not
kinked or damaged.

but the diameter is too small. so the metal ones would not fit they would just
flop around.

Quoted message said:

Also, when the OP says "cheap Shimano stuff" I wonder--
there are still new bikes in 2005 which ship with Shimano
brand spiral ("brake"😉 casing in the gear system. If that's
the case, dump it for any true gear casing with metal caps.

well this is a 2004 and it had the lowest end shimano [censored]. atleast in the
shifting area.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.