It's cool apparently

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:34:03 -0000 someone who may be "Paul - [censored]"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

We don't allow them to swear at all, but recognise that they will whilst
out with friends maybe, and that they'll hear it all on TV anyway ...
and to be honest, they do hear it from me occasionally, whilst outside
the influence of swmbo .. 😉

I find that swearing at my computers (and related gadgets) a great
deal means I almost never swear at anything or anyone else.

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On 19 Jan 2005 13:09:45 GMT someone who may be
[email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote
this:-

Quoted message said:

Indeed, but it's good to see that the average teenager finds it cool too. It
sort of makes my mid-life crisis seem a little less mad

Cool mums shouldn't have one of those.

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I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Paul - censored said:

Paul Rudin composed the following;:

Quoted message said:

Itunes (or similar) solves this kind of thing. I have a standing order
to give my son a few quid a month on his itunes account.

This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd rather
not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck .. his £50
MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD Walkman .. 😉

In the last year he's broken or lost three mobile phones, one MP3
player and a Walkman. He now buys them himself .. 😉

Well - you don't need an ipod to make use of itunes. You can burn your
tracks to CD or (with some minor hoop jumping) copy them to any old
MP3 player.

Tony Raven said:

Paul - censored said:

This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd
rather not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck
.. his £50 MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD
Walkman .. 😉

..and getting iTunes music onto anything other than an iPod is
something Apple make very very difficult (not impossible though ;-)

Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
CD back to MP3. Or you can use something like hymn
<http://hymn-project.org/> to remove the drm stuff (which probably
technically breaks the itunes terms of use...)

Paul Rudin said:

Paul - censored said:

Paul Rudin composed the following;:

Quoted message said:

Itunes (or similar) solves this kind of thing. I have a standing order
to give my son a few quid a month on his itunes account.

This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd rather
not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck .. his £50
MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD Walkman .. 😉

In the last year he's broken or lost three mobile phones, one MP3
player and a Walkman. He now buys them himself .. 😉

Well - you don't need an ipod to make use of itunes. You can burn your
tracks to CD or (with some minor hoop jumping) copy them to any old
MP3 player.

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues have
held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if there's a way
around that, I may become a customer.

Simon Brooke said:

Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.

Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating systems.

Where's the difference?

The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows
plugin demonstrates.

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

In news:[email hidden],
Not Responding <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Paul Rudin said:

Paul - censored said:

Paul Rudin composed the following;:

> Itunes (or similar) solves this kind of thing. I have a standing
> order to give my son a few quid a month on his itunes account.

This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd
rather not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck
.. his £50 MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD
Walkman .. 😉

In the last year he's broken or lost three mobile phones, one MP3
player and a Walkman. He now buys them himself .. 😉

Well - you don't need an ipod to make use of itunes. You can burn
your tracks to CD or (with some minor hoop jumping) copy them to any
old MP3 player.

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues
have held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if
there's a way around that, I may become a customer.

How simple's simple?

I downloaded hymn from www.hymnproject.org (or somesuch).

It runs on the commandline, so it may be a bit tricky if you've got iTunes
Music Store files all over the place.

I convert them using dbPowerAmp, which has a downloadable AAC plugin for
iTunes files.

If you're just ripping the CDs, iTunes lets you rip to MP3, which is
compatible with everything, obviously.

A

Peter Clinch said:

Simon Brooke said:

Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.

Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating systems.

Where's the difference?

The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows plugin
demonstrates.

The second is demonstrably wrong as my Windows Media Player for Mac
demonstrates.

...d

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues have
held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if there's a way
around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to mp3.
The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or slightly
easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

Tony

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:42:56 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues have
held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if there's a way
around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to mp3.

But you will end up with a poorer quality result since you are taking
a lossy file, converting to a non-lossy PCM format but still with the
lossy artefacts, and then converting to another lossy format but with
different losses. You end up with a file which contains double the
amount of "lossyness".

In practice you may not notice the difference.

Quoted message said:

The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or slightly
easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

Hymn, as I understand it, does not involve any change in the music
data - it merely strips out the copy protection.

--
Amazon: "If you are interested in 'Asimov's I-Robot',
you may also be interested in 'Garfield - The Movie'.
... erm, how do they figure that one out?

helen said:

Indeed, but it's good to see that the average teenager finds it cool too.

Blimey, teenager borrows mum's bike, which has full mudguards and no
suspension, and mates think it's cool...

how often does that happen?

d.

David Hansen composed the following;:

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:34:03 -0000 someone who may be "Paul - [censored]"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

We don't allow them to swear at all, but recognise that they will
whilst out with friends maybe, and that they'll hear it all on TV
anyway ... and to be honest, they do hear it from me occasionally,
whilst outside the influence of swmbo .. 😉

I find that swearing at my computers (and related gadgets) a great
deal means I almost never swear at anything or anyone else.

Heheheh, I generally mutter at the computers, they can hear, you know ..
😉

--
Paul ...
http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ... 😉
"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

Tony Raven said:

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues
have held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if
there's a way around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to
mp3. The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or
slightly easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

jhymn is a nice gui pointy-clicky front end for hymn.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:24 +0000 someone who may be David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.

Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating systems.

Where's the difference?

The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows plugin
demonstrates.

The second is demonstrably wrong as my Windows Media Player for Mac
demonstrates.

Or indeed Microshit Office works on Macs, either the Mac version of
office or the PC version if a PC emulator is running on the Mac.

Microshit have written software for the Mac since the first models.
Could someone remind me how much of Apple Microshit own at the
moment?

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

David Hansen said:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:24 +0000 someone who may be David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.
>
> Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating systems.
>
> Where's the difference?

The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows plugin
demonstrates.

The second is demonstrably wrong as my Windows Media Player for Mac
demonstrates.

Or indeed Microshit Office works on Macs, either the Mac version of
office or the PC version if a PC emulator is running on the Mac.

Microshit have written software for the Mac since the first models.
Could someone remind me how much of Apple Microshit own at the
moment?

<rant>
Oh don't get me started on Apple Evangelists. If I had as much money
as one of them I'd be happy with an overpriced computer.

And that new iPod shuffle. They even had Radio 4 telling us on Friday
that it would be six months before someone came along with a
comparable but cheaper product. Come off it! Flash memory MP3 players
have been around since the 90s. I bought one off ebuyer for £20 last
week...
</rant>

On 20/1/05 9:54 am, in article [email hidden],

Zardoz said:

David Hansen said:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:24 +0000 someone who may be David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

>> Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.
>>
>> Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating systems.
>>
>> Where's the difference?
>
> The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows plugin
> demonstrates.

The second is demonstrably wrong as my Windows Media Player for Mac
demonstrates.

Or indeed Microshit Office works on Macs, either the Mac version of
office or the PC version if a PC emulator is running on the Mac.

Microshit have written software for the Mac since the first models.
Could someone remind me how much of Apple Microshit own at the
moment?

<rant>
Oh don't get me started on Apple Evangelists. If I had as much money
as one of them I'd be happy with an overpriced computer.

Not an apple evangelist, but you are comparing apples with oranges.. (pardon
the pun) It's a bit like saying you were done for buying a Dave Yates 631
custom with campag kit, when for a third of the price you could have got a
Carrera thinghy from Halfords.

Quoted message said:

And that new iPod shuffle. They even had Radio 4 telling us on Friday
that it would be six months before someone came along with a
comparable but cheaper product. Come off it! Flash memory MP3 players
have been around since the 90s. I bought one off ebuyer for £20 last
week...

half gig MP3 player for 70 quid? There are comparable products but it is
competetive in the market.

You'll now quiote RRP for a competitor that is as well specced?

...d

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:42:56 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues have
held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if there's a way
around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to mp3.

But you will end up with a poorer quality result since you are taking
a lossy file, converting to a non-lossy PCM format but still with the
lossy artefacts, and then converting to another lossy format but with
different losses. You end up with a file which contains double the
amount of "lossyness".

In practice you may not notice the difference.

Quoted message said:

The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or slightly
easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

Hymn, as I understand it, does not involve any change in the music
data - it merely strips out the copy protection.

--
Amazon: "If you are interested in 'Asimov's I-Robot',
you may also be interested in 'Garfield - The Movie'.
... erm, how do they figure that one out?

Paul Rudin said:

Tony Raven said:

Paul - censored said:

This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd
rather not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck
.. his £50 MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD
Walkman .. 😉

..and getting iTunes music onto anything other than an iPod is
something Apple make very very difficult (not impossible though ;-)

Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
CD back to MP3. Or you can use something like hymn
<http://hymn-project.org/> to remove the drm stuff (which probably
technically breaks the itunes terms of use...)

The latest version of iTunes (4.7.1) breaks Hymn thobut.

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:42:56 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues have
held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if there's a way
around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to mp3.

But you will end up with a poorer quality result since you are taking
a lossy file, converting to a non-lossy PCM format but still with the
lossy artefacts, and then converting to another lossy format but with
different losses. You end up with a file which contains double the
amount of "lossyness".

In practice you may not notice the difference.

Quoted message said:

The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or slightly
easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

Hymn, as I understand it, does not involve any change in the music
data - it merely strips out the copy protection.

(Apologies if this appears more than once)
--
Amazon: "If you are interested in 'Asimov's I-Robot',
you may also be interested in 'Garfield - The Movie'.
... erm, how do they figure that one out?

Paul Rudin said:

Tony Raven said:

Not Responding said:

Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues
have held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if
there's a way around that, I may become a customer.

The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to
mp3. The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or
slightly easier to use iOpener. Both available at
http://hymn-project.org/download.php

jhymn is a nice gui pointy-clicky front end for hymn.

And iOpener is an even nicer one IMO.

Tony