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  1. Well, what with Ellen MacArthur coming into Falmouth and Graeme Obree's
    film this evening I've watched more television today than I did in the
    whole month of January.

    The Obree programme: clearly put together with a very small budget, and
    covering ground which anyone who's read his autobiography knows, it was
    nevertheless very well presented and very sensitive. There was a lot of
    talking heads, and not all of them were well identified. Chris Boardman
    was very generous about Obree, describing him as '...better than
    me...'; there were people from his cycling club; and there was someone
    who I don't think was every identified who may have been a
    psychiatrist, who spoke very thoughtfully about Graeme and what drives
    him.

    The bare outline of the facts of his life were reasonably presented, but
    the programme suffered here from being too short (only 25 minutes in
    total). Relatively little was made, I thought, of how badly he was
    treated by the UCI. There was a lot of good library footage of the
    various record attempts and successes. There was a little bit about Old
    Faithful, but not nearly enough for anyone interested in bikes
    technically.

    But the core of the piece was was Graeme himself, partly out on various
    bikes but mainly head to camera, sitting in an old battered red leather
    chair in his workshop surrounded by bikes and bits of bikes. He was, as
    in his autobiography, fiercely, painfully, nakedly honest - and honest
    about his illness. The subtext of the whole piece was I think at least
    partly him trying to say to other uptight Scottish hard men like
    himself that it's OK to have mental illness, it's OK to admit to it,
    and it is possible to live with it, if not to conquer it.

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    Oh, and his conclusion: "The world _is_ surreal. It's not me that's
    crazy, the world _is_ crazy. You just have to go with the flow."

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; better than your average performing pineapple

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Simon

    Brooke said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a
    stushie to get it on your TV.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and his conclusion: "The world _is_ surreal. It's not me that's
    crazy, the world _is_ crazy. You just have to go with the flow."

    Thanks Simon - he is a great guy.

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

  3. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    Nice review. F***ing Beeb. Just because he's a Scot doesn't mean only Scots
    would be interested.

    Rich

  4. "Richard Goodman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    Nice review. F***ing Beeb. Just because he's a Scot doesn't mean only


    Scots

    Quoted message said:

    would be interested.

    Rich


    I watched it and i live down south in england with NTL cable

    cheers
    Jon_H

  5. Simon Brooke said:

    The bare outline of the facts of his life were reasonably presented, but
    the programme suffered here from being too short (only 25 minutes in
    total).

    That's a pretty long program for someone who isn't currently
    in the public eye. There aren't many 60 minute programs about.

    Of course, us cycling tech-geeks would quite hapopily watch a 2 hour
    programme JUST about his bikes.

    BugBear

  6. "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

    Welcome back Sandy :-)

    --
    Simon Mason
    Anlaby
    East Yorkshire.
    53°44'N 0°26'W
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

  7. "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

    Welcome back Sandy :-)

    --
    Simon Mason
    Anlaby
    East Yorkshire.
    53°44'N 0°26'W
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

  8. Richard Goodman said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    Nice review. F***ing Beeb. Just because he's a Scot doesn't mean only Scots
    would be interested.

    Rich

    This is where sky digital comes into it's own. Despite them thinking I
    want the London flavour of BBC news, I know better and it allows me to
    choose southeast if I so wish, or wales, but often of more interest, bbc
    scotland.

    Would have been nice if it had made it onto all bbc1's though.

    --

    Velvet

  9. Richard Goodman said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    Nice review. F***ing Beeb. Just because he's a Scot doesn't mean only Scots
    would be interested.

    Rich

    This is where sky digital comes into it's own. Despite them thinking I
    want the London flavour of BBC news, I know better and it allows me to
    choose southeast if I so wish, or wales, but often of more interest, bbc
    scotland.

    Would have been nice if it had made it onto all bbc1's though.

    --

    Velvet

  10. in message <[email hidden]>, Simon Mason

    (') said:

    "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

    Welcome back Sandy :-)

    Seconded!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; All in all you're just another nick in the ball
    -- Think Droid

  11. Simon Brooke said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise a stushie
    to get it on your TV.

    It was well worth watching, even us Sassenachs got it in Sky 941 !!!
    WTFs stushie ?

  12. MSeries said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Good piece, well worth watching. You sassenachs should raise
    a stushie to get it on your TV.

    It was well worth watching, even us Sassenachs got it in Sky
    941 !!! WTFs stushie ?

    stush·ie (plural stush·ies) or stish·ie (plural stish·ies)

    noun Scotland

    1. rumpus: a bout or scene of heated discussion or argument

    2. state of nervousness: a nervous, anxious, or upset state
    She was in a right stushie about the exam.

    [Early 19th century. From Scots dialect, of unknown origin.]

    --
    Mark

    1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

  13. Sandy Morton said:

    Thanks Simon - he is a great guy.

    The prodigal son returns? Welcome back.

    Jon

  14. MSeries <[email hidden]> wrote in news:36vbu1F52u214U1
    @individual.net:

    Quoted message said:

    WTFs stushie ?

    Obviously it means a stramash, ya dunderheid! 😉

    Graeme

  15. Simon Brooke wrote:
    Chris Boardman

    Quoted message said:

    was very generous about Obree, describing him as '...better than
    me...';


    That was my impression of Boardman as well. Very generous paying
    tribute to another champion without any reservations.

    Quoted message said:

    But the core of the piece was was Graeme himself, partly out on


    various

    Quoted message said:

    bikes but mainly head to camera, sitting in an old battered red


    leather

    Quoted message said:

    chair in his workshop surrounded by bikes and bits of bikes. He was,


    as

    Quoted message said:

    in his autobiography, fiercely, painfully, nakedly honest - and


    honest

    Quoted message said:

    about his illness.


    I think it takes an awful lot of courage to do a program like that
    exposing yourself to the core. I could relate to a lot of it as I have
    experience with a close relativew who suffers from the same illness.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and his conclusion: "The world _is_ surreal. It's not me that's
    crazy, the world _is_ crazy. You just have to go with the flow."


    I was left with two thoughts. Firstly how little is made in Scotland of
    a guy who made it to the top in his sport pretty much by his own
    efforts. Secondly would he have been better without his mental illness
    or was that a factor in the singlemindedness needed to do what he did.
    Iain

  16. Quoted message said:

    Secondly would he have been better without his mental illness
    or was that a factor in the singlemindedness needed to do what he did.

    When I wur a lad we had the national 25 champion in our club. Strange
    bloke, didn't talk much, and he topped himself shortly after he stopped
    winning everything. Don't know what the full reasons were but it seems
    very like Graeme's kind of depression.
    All the best
    Dan Gregory
    :-) :-(

  17. in message <[email hidden]>,

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    He was, as
    in his autobiography, fiercely, painfully, nakedly honest - and
    honest about his illness.


    I think it takes an awful lot of courage to do a program like that
    exposing yourself to the core.

    Hear, hear!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and his conclusion: "The world _is_ surreal. It's not me that's
    crazy, the world _is_ crazy. You just have to go with the flow."


    I was left with two thoughts. Firstly how little is made in Scotland
    of a guy who made it to the top in his sport pretty much by his own
    efforts. Secondly would he have been better without his mental illness
    or was that a factor in the singlemindedness needed to do what he did.

    I think you have to face the fact that he achieved what he achieved at
    least partly because he was driven by demons. The fact that he can't
    still do it isn't just that he's older; it's also because he has at
    least in part come to terms with the demons. This doesn't, for me
    anyway, make his achievements any the less. He is still one of my _big_
    heroes.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; This email may contain confidential or otherwise privileged
    ;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
    ;; recipient and you've got nothing better to do than read other
    ;; folks' emails then I'm glad to have brightened up your sad little
    ;; life a tiny bit.

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, Simon

    Brooke said:

    He is still one of my _big_ heroes.

    Mine too!

    I remember visiting a primary school with him and his point to the
    kids was that there are no unemployed - there are a lot of people
    seeking jobs.

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

  19. email hidden said:

    Simon Brooke wrote:
    Chris Boardman

    Quoted message said:

    was very generous about Obree, describing him as '...better than
    me...';


    That was my impression of Boardman as well. Very generous paying
    tribute to another champion without any reservations.

    Yes, and that's probably because Boardman is 'happy with his lot',
    been there, done that, won a few, lost a few, now he's older, and it's
    time to move on and do something else, which he's doing. Boardman
    expressed this beautifully when he said,

    "I know for me, I came out of the sport contented, if he could feel
    the same, I'd be very happy for him'.

    And also very moving when his wife said at the end -

    "He's got two children that love him, he's got a wife that loves him,
    and he could have been world champion and not be with us, but the fact
    that he's managing to stay alive and stay with us is his biggest
    achievement.

    In many ways I think his depression has kind of saved him in a way,
    saved him from being a slave to his obsessive nature, which
    paradoxically, took him temporarily to the top.

    I liked the tone of his book, and I liked him too. Very interesting
    stuff.

    Garry
    [just watched it].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But the core of the piece was was Graeme himself, partly out on


    various

    Quoted message said:

    bikes but mainly head to camera, sitting in an old battered red


    leather

    Quoted message said:

    chair in his workshop surrounded by bikes and bits of bikes. He was,


    as

    Quoted message said:

    in his autobiography, fiercely, painfully, nakedly honest - and


    honest

    Quoted message said:

    about his illness.


    I think it takes an awful lot of courage to do a program like that
    exposing yourself to the core. I could relate to a lot of it as I have
    experience with a close relativew who suffers from the same illness.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and his conclusion: "The world _is_ surreal. It's not me that's
    crazy, the world _is_ crazy. You just have to go with the flow."


    I was left with two thoughts. Firstly how little is made in Scotland of
    a guy who made it to the top in his sport pretty much by his own
    efforts. Secondly would he have been better without his mental illness
    or was that a factor in the singlemindedness needed to do what he did.
    Iain

  20. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was left with two thoughts. Firstly how little is made in Scotland of
    a guy who made it to the top in his sport pretty much by his own
    efforts. Secondly would he have been better without his mental illness
    or was that a factor in the singlemindedness needed to do what he did.
    Iain


    What is it about the Scots? We seem to prefer our heroes dead, f'Pete's
    sake.

    Aacchhhh!

    Anyways... Obree hopes to ride the Don Smith Memorial this 27th February (in
    the sociable "30 miles just for the fun of it" group). I've posted more
    details in this newsgroup but full monty is at
    http://www.johnstone-wheelers.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1330

    If you think can make it along, please advise the club AHEAD OF TIME, so we
    can organise the right amount of soup'n'sandwiches.
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    This post did not necessarily reflect my opinions. So there.
    Pull the pins out to reply direct.

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