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  1. I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug
    *

    6 cups white flour
    * 1 tablespoon salt
    * 2-1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    * 1/3 or 1/2 cup shortening (see Note)

    Begin by getting out a very large bowl. Measure the flour into the bowl.
    Add the salt and baking powder. Stir the dry ingredients together so that
    the salt and baking powder are evenly distributed throughout the flour.
    Measure in the shortening. Use a standard 1/3 or 1/2-cup measure and pack
    it all the way full with shortening. Level off the top with a knife. Now
    scrape the fat into the bowl of flour. Your fingers will get greasy.
    That's alright, you can wash them in a few minutes. Using your hands,
    mash the shortening into the flour. Continue mixing and mashing until the
    mixture has a consistency similar to store-bought biscuit mix. Transfer
    the mixture to a clean coffee can. This recipe makes 7 cups of mix. Each
    serving is 1/3-cup.

    NOTE: This biscuit mix can be made with either 1/3-cup or 1/2-cup of
    shortening. When made with 1/3-cup shortening it's nutritional
    information is almost identical to Reduced-Fat Bisquick®. The quality of
    the mix made with 1/3-cup shortening is not quite as good as when it is
    made with 1/2-cup shortening. It is still very good though, and I
    heartily recommend it to anyone watching both their budget and wasitline.
    Average consumers don't have access to the same fat replacers and other
    chemicals that food manufacturers do. For this reason the lower fat
    version of this recipe gives slightly different results than Reduced-Fat
    Bisquick®. The biscuits and muffins made with the 1/3-cup
    shortening-version of this mix are a tiny bit tougher than those made with
    Reduced-Fat Bisquick®. It is an extremely close copy though, and most
    people won't notice any difference in their cooking results.

    For those willing to add a few more calories to their biscuit mix, the
    version using 1/2-cup of shortening gives superior results. The biscuits
    made with this variation are much better those made with the name brand
    mix. The final decision is yours. When preparing the recipes on this
    website I have used the version made with 1/3-cup of shortening. My
    reasoning is that folks who are unwilling to make their own biscuit mix
    can buy Reduced-Fat Bisquick® at the store, prepare the recipes they find
    here and not worry about getting their hands dirty. The nutritional data
    for the recipes prepared with either Reduced-Fat Bisquick® or homemade
    baking mix prepared with 1/3-cup shortening is the same. By the way,
    preparing your own Reduced-Fat Baking Mix saves at least $2 per batch over
    the name-brand mix.

    Each serving is 1/3-cup.
    --
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    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  2. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug
    *

    Crisco.

  3. Doug Weller <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick
    (not sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    Well shortening is full of trans fatty acids...so I'd use canola oil or
    corn oil.

    --
    No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal.
    Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl
    Continuing to be Manitoban

  4. On Fri 11 Feb 2005 02:58:08p, Hahabogus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Doug Weller <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick
    (not sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    Well shortening is full of trans fatty acids...so I'd use canola oil or
    corn oil.

    There is a new Crisco that has little or no trans fats. It's in a green can.

    Wayne

  5. "Hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Doug Weller <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick
    (not sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    Well shortening is full of trans fatty acids...so I'd use canola oil or
    corn oil.

    True, but I don't think that mixing oil with flour will give the same
    results as cutting fat particles into the flour. If you want to avoid trans
    fats and still use something sold, you could try the new Crisco in the green
    can, or Smart Balance shortening. Neither has trans fats.

  6. "Hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Doug Weller <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick
    (not sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    Well shortening is full of trans fatty acids...so I'd use canola oil or
    corn oil.

    --
    No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal.
    Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl
    Continuing to be Manitoban

  7. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    <Snip>

    It is really not clear are you trying to make biscuits or a pie crust or
    what?

    There are specific reasons to use and not to use oil vs shortening.
    Generally if the recipe calls for shortening you need a fat that is at the
    very least semi solid and opaque at room temperature.

    Dimitri

  8. Doug Weller said:


    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    I think that both Stork and Flora make a solid baking fat along with the
    margarine. Probably Pura as well. Look in the butter/margarine case. You
    could otherwise try vegetable suet and see how that works.

    Quoted message said:

    *

    6 cups white flour
    * 1 tablespoon salt
    * 2-1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    * 1/3 or 1/2 cup shortening (see Note)

    Begin by getting out a very large bowl. Measure the flour into the bowl.
    Add the salt and baking powder. Stir the dry ingredients together so that
    the salt and baking powder are evenly distributed throughout the flour.
    Measure in the shortening. Use a standard 1/3 or 1/2-cup measure and pack
    it all the way full with shortening. Level off the top with a knife. Now
    scrape the fat into the bowl of flour. Your fingers will get greasy.
    That's alright, you can wash them in a few minutes. Using your hands,
    mash the shortening into the flour. Continue mixing and mashing until the
    mixture has a consistency similar to store-bought biscuit mix. Transfer
    the mixture to a clean coffee can. This recipe makes 7 cups of mix. Each
    serving is 1/3-cup.

    NOTE: This biscuit mix can be made with either 1/3-cup or 1/2-cup of
    shortening. When made with 1/3-cup shortening it's nutritional
    information is almost identical to Reduced-Fat Bisquick®. The quality of
    the mix made with 1/3-cup shortening is not quite as good as when it is
    made with 1/2-cup shortening. It is still very good though, and I
    heartily recommend it to anyone watching both their budget and wasitline.
    Average consumers don't have access to the same fat replacers and other
    chemicals that food manufacturers do. For this reason the lower fat
    version of this recipe gives slightly different results than Reduced-Fat
    Bisquick®. The biscuits and muffins made with the 1/3-cup
    shortening-version of this mix are a tiny bit tougher than those made with
    Reduced-Fat Bisquick®. It is an extremely close copy though, and most
    people won't notice any difference in their cooking results.

    For those willing to add a few more calories to their biscuit mix, the
    version using 1/2-cup of shortening gives superior results. The biscuits
    made with this variation are much better those made with the name brand
    mix. The final decision is yours. When preparing the recipes on this
    website I have used the version made with 1/3-cup of shortening. My
    reasoning is that folks who are unwilling to make their own biscuit mix
    can buy Reduced-Fat Bisquick® at the store, prepare the recipes they find
    here and not worry about getting their hands dirty. The nutritional data
    for the recipes prepared with either Reduced-Fat Bisquick® or homemade
    baking mix prepared with 1/3-cup shortening is the same. By the way,
    preparing your own Reduced-Fat Baking Mix saves at least $2 per batch over
    the name-brand mix.

    Each serving is 1/3-cup.
    --
    Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  9. at Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:43:16 GMT in <dl9q01l36kk2010hkqcm12p6f13tu766ni@
    4ax.com>, [email hidden] (Doug Weller) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?

    Lard. In the American South, that's the traditional shortening and it
    produces the lightest, fluffiest results - what you're looking for in a
    biscuit.

    --
    Alex Rast
    [email hidden]
    (remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  10. Vox Humana said:


    "Hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Doug Weller <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick
    (not sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    Well shortening is full of trans fatty acids...so I'd use canola oil or
    corn oil.

    True, but I don't think that mixing oil with flour will give the same
    results as cutting fat particles into the flour. If you want to avoid trans
    fats and still use something sold, you could try the new Crisco in the green
    can, or Smart Balance shortening. Neither has trans fats.

    Sounds good, except the problem is they aren't available either in the UK!
    But in 6 months time, who knows?

    Thanks.

    Doug
    --
    Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  11. Dimitri said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick (not
    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    <Snip>

    It is really not clear are you trying to make biscuits or a pie crust or
    what?

    There are specific reasons to use and not to use oil vs shortening.
    Generally if the recipe calls for shortening you need a fat that is at the
    very least semi solid and opaque at room temperature.

    Anything you can make with Reduced Fat Bisquick, basically.

    Doug
    --
    Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  12. On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:11 -0700, in rec.food.cooking, Arri London

    Quoted message said:

    I think that both Stork and Flora make a solid baking fat along with the
    margarine. Probably Pura as well. Look in the butter/margarine case. You
    could otherwise try vegetable suet and see how that works.

    Thanks We probably have Flora here.

    Someone on a list has suggested applesauce.

    Doug
    --
    Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  13. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:11 -0700, in rec.food.cooking, Arri London

    Quoted message said:

    I think that both Stork and Flora make a solid baking fat along with the
    margarine. Probably Pura as well. Look in the butter/margarine case. You
    could otherwise try vegetable suet and see how that works.

    Thanks We probably have Flora here.

    Someone on a list has suggested applesauce.

    I think applesauce would be a disaster. The water would mix with the flour
    to make a paste. The paste would go moldy very fast. I assume that you
    want to make a mix that is shelf stabile.

  14. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dimitri said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a recipe for something like a clone of Reduced Fat Bisquick


    (not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sold in the UK).
    What would people advise using as the shortening?
    Thanks.
    Doug

    <Snip>

    It is really not clear are you trying to make biscuits or a pie crust or
    what?

    There are specific reasons to use and not to use oil vs shortening.
    Generally if the recipe calls for shortening you need a fat that is at


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    very least semi solid and opaque at room temperature.

    Anything you can make with Reduced Fat Bisquick, basically.

    Doug

    The use any fat that is semi solid at room temperature. Butter is good.

    Dimitri

  15. Vox Humana said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:11 -0700, in rec.food.cooking, Arri London

    Quoted message said:

    I think that both Stork and Flora make a solid baking fat along with the
    margarine. Probably Pura as well. Look in the butter/margarine case. You
    could otherwise try vegetable suet and see how that works.

    Thanks We probably have Flora here.

    Someone on a list has suggested applesauce.

    I think applesauce would be a disaster. The water would mix with the flour
    to make a paste. The paste would go moldy very fast. I assume that you
    want to make a mix that is shelf stabile.

    Yes, that would only work if I was going to bake something immediately.

    Doug
    --
    Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
    Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
    A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
    Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

  16. Doug Weller said:


    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:11 -0700, in rec.food.cooking, Arri London

    Quoted message said:

    I think that both Stork and Flora make a solid baking fat along with the
    margarine. Probably Pura as well. Look in the butter/margarine case. You
    could otherwise try vegetable suet and see how that works.

    Thanks We probably have Flora here.

    Someone on a list has suggested applesauce.

    Doug

    Forgot to mention Cookeen. They are all common brands in the UK.

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