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  1. Hi,
    Im a guy in the UK who previously didnt care about what i ate, until recently when i started to get serious about nutrition.

    I mainly now eat Pasta's / Rice / Chicken etc.
    I used to Snack a lot but have pretty much given it up after looking at the contents in a lot of "snack" products.

    But when it comes to Crisps (Potato Chips) i noticed they contained a relativly high propotion of Saturated fat (as well as Salt / Artificial ingredients etc).

    as an example, from a packet of Walkers Barbecue (which has Vegitable oil as an ingreedient) crisps it says:
    per 100g
    525kcal, 6.5gprotein, 50gCarbs (of which sugars 2g), 33gFat (of which saturates 14g), fibre 4g, Sodium 0.7g.

    To Me this seems ok, besides the Saturated Fat.

    But they have a new Sub Brand called "Potato Heads", claiming 70% less Saturated fat and no artifical flavors etc. for a cheese and onion bag (contain Sunflower oil instead of vegitable), they are:
    per 100g
    455kcal, 9g protein, 57gCarbs (of which sugars 0.8g), 21g Fat (Saturated 2g, mono-unsatu 17g, poly-unsatu 2g), fibre 5g, Sodium 0.7g

    Now, To me, This seems quite "Healthy" as a "snack", Am i right in thinking this, or is there anything anyone can see as a "risk"

    I was in a supermarket the other day, and compared Vegitable oil and Sunflower oil, the Sunflower oil seemed to be "Worse" than the vegitable oil in terms of saturated fat. This has me really puzzled, as the sunflower oil seems worse, why are the more "healthy" Crisps using sunflower oil, does something happen to the oils upon cooking or something?

    Sorry for such a long post, Would Really appreachiate any replies,

    Thanks again

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  2. There's a lot more thinking you're going to want to do. Start with
    Bruce Fif'es book, Saturated fat may save your life. There are a few
    problems with it, but it's good for those who need an introduction to
    the key issues, not the nonsense you hear from the talking heads on TV.

  3. Quoted message said:

    There's a lot more thinking you're going to want to do. Start with
    Bruce Fif'es book, Saturated fat may save your life. There are a few
    problems with it, but it's good for those who need an introduction to
    the key issues, not the nonsense you hear from the talking heads on TV.

    Instead of reading "a book [someguy] wrote" I'd heavily suggest to stick to
    published studies from peer-reviewed journals.

    Like:

    Int J Oncol. 2005 Mar;26(3):785-92. Links

    A combination of docosahexaenoic acid and celecoxib prevents prostate cancer
    cell growth in vitro and is associated with modulation of nuclear
    factor-kappaB, and steroid hormone receptors.

    Narayanan NK, Narayanan BA, Reddy BS.

    Department of Environmental Medicine, New York University School of
    Medicine, Tuxedo, NY 10987, USA. [email hidden].

    Epidemiological studies have provided evidence that high intake of saturated
    fat and/or animal fat increases the risk of prostate cancer, but on the
    other hand, diets rich in omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (n-3 PUFAs),
    present in fish oils were found to reduce the risk. There are indications of
    an increased expression of immunoreactive PPARgamma in prostatic
    intraepithelial neoplasia (PIN) and prostate cancer, suggesting that
    PPARgamma ligands may exert their own potent anti-proliferative effect
    against prostate cancer. The experimental evidence for the role of
    cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) in prostate carcinogenesis is well established
    through several investigations. It clearly suggests the need for development
    of strategies to inhibit COX-2 mediated prostate carcinogenesis. However,
    administration of high doses of COX-2 inhibitors, such as celecoxib, over
    longer periods may not be devoid of side effects. We assessed the efficacy
    of DHA and celecoxib individually and in combination at low doses in three
    prostate cancer cell lines (LNCaP, DU145 and PC-3) measuring cell growth
    inhibition and apoptosis, and on the levels of expression of COX-2, nuclear
    factor-kappaB (NF-kappaBp65), and nuclear receptors, such as PPARgamma and
    retinoid X receptors (RXR), all of which presumably participate in prostate
    carcinogenesis. A 48-h incubation of prostate cancer cells with 5 microM
    each of DHA or celecoxib induced cell growth inhibition and apoptosis, and
    altered the expression of the above molecular parameters. Interestingly, the
    modulation of these cellular and molecular parameters was more pronounced in
    cells treated with low doses of DHA and celecoxib (2.5 microM each) in
    combination than in cells treated with the higher doses of individual
    agents. In conclusion, the present study demonstrates for the first time
    that a combination of lower doses of the n-3 PUFA, and DHA with the
    selective COX-2 inhibitor celecoxib effectively modulates the above cellular
    and molecular parameters that are relevant to prostate cancer. This raises
    the intriguing prospect that the use of low doses of a COX-2 inhibitor in
    combination with an n-3 PUFA could be a highly promising strategy for
    prostate cancer chemoprevention while minimizing undesired side effects.

    -------------

    Br J Cancer. 2005 Feb 01; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles,
    Links

    Specific fatty acid intake and the risk of pancreatic cancer in Canada.

    Nkondjock A, Krewski D, Johnson KC, Ghadirian P.

    [1] 1Epidemiology Research Unit, Research Centre, Centre hospitalier de
    l'Universite de Montreal (CHUM)-Hotel-Dieu, Montreal, QC, Canada [2]
    2McLaughlin Centre for Population Health Risk Assessment, Institute of
    Population Health, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, ON, Canada.

    The possible association of specific fatty acid (FA) intake and pancreatic
    cancer risk was investigated in a population-based case-control study of 462
    histologically confirmed cases and 4721 frequency-matched controls in eight
    Canadian provinces between 1994 and 1997. Dietary intake was assessed by
    means of a self-administered food frequency questionnaire. Unconditional
    logistic regression was used to assess associations between dietary FAs and
    pancreatic cancer risk. After adjustment for age, province, body mass index,
    smoking, educational attainment, fat and total energy intake, statistically
    significant inverse associations were observed between pancreatic cancer
    risk and palmitate (odds ratios (ORs)=0.73; 95% confidence intervals (CIs)
    0.56-0.96; P-trend=0.02), stearate (OR=0.70; 95% CI 0.51-0.94;
    P-trend=0.04), oleate (OR=0.75; 95% CI 0.55-1.02; P-trend=0.04), saturated
    FAs (OR=0.67; 95% CI 0.50-0.91; P-trend=0.01), and monounsaturated FAs
    (OR=0.72; 95% CI 0.53-0.98; P-trend=0.02), when comparing the highest
    quartile of intake to the lowest. Significant interactions were detected
    between body mass index and both saturated and monounsaturated FAs, with a
    markedly reduced risk associated with intake of stearate (OR=0.36; 95% CI
    0.18-0.70; P-trend=0.001), oleate (OR=0.36; 95% CI 0.19-0.72;
    P-trend=0.002), saturated FAs (OR=0.35; 95% CI 0.18-0.67; P-trend=0.002),
    and monounsaturated FAs (OR=0.32; 95% CI 0.16-0.63; P-trend<0.0001) among
    subjects who are obese. The results suggest that substituting
    polyunsaturated FAs with saturated or monounsaturated FAs may reduce
    pancreatic cancer risk, independently of total energy intake, particularly
    among obese subjects.British Journal of Cancer advance online publication, 1
    February 2005; doi:10.1038/sj.bjc.6602380 www.bjcancer.com.

  4. I've been quoting studies here with statement like the one above " The
    results suggest that substituting
    polyunsaturated FAs with saturated or monounsaturated FAs may reduce
    pancreatic cancer risk..." for years now, but most people don't
    understandt the basic biochemical and physiological mechanisms, and
    Fife does a decent job of conveying them in a simplified but
    informative way.

  5. Just thought I should mention that the two studies you cited would
    really confuse most people. One makes it seem like "saturated fat" is
    "bad," whereas the other says the opposite. If you wanted to make a
    case for citing abstracts, you've done about the worst job possible.
    SInce I know that omega 3 PUFAs interfere with omega 6 PUFA
    metabolization, and that with more SFAs you don't have to worry about
    consuming more omega 3s, they make sense to me and I have no problems
    with the actual experimental data (as opposed to the assumptions made).
    However, those who haven't read my posts about the confusion in the
    phrase "saturated fat" would be lost. This is why a book like Fife's
    is good, and why I am working on what I think will be even better (in a
    number of ways) at this time.

  6. Deleted wrote:
    :: Hi,
    :: Im a guy in the UK who previously didnt care about what i ate, until
    :: recently when i started to get serious about nutrition.
    ::
    :: I mainly now eat Pasta's / Rice / Chicken etc.
    :: I used to Snack a lot but have pretty much given it up after looking
    :: at the contents in a lot of "snack" products.
    ::
    :: But when it comes to Crisps (Potato Chips) i noticed they contained
    :: a relativly high propotion of Saturated fat (as well as Salt /
    :: Artificial ingredients etc).
    ::
    :: as an example, from a packet of Walkers Barbecue (which has
    :: Vegitable oil as an ingreedient) crisps it says:
    :: per 100g
    :: 525kcal, 6.5gprotein, 50gCarbs (of which sugars 2g), 33gFat (of
    :: which saturates 14g), fibre 4g, Sodium 0.7g.
    ::
    :: To Me this seems ok, besides the Saturated Fat.
    ::
    :: But they have a new Sub Brand called "Potato Heads", claiming 70%
    :: less Saturated fat and no artifical flavors etc. for a cheese and
    :: onion bag (contain Sunflower oil instead of vegitable), they are:
    :: per 100g
    :: 455kcal, 9g protein, 57gCarbs (of which sugars 0.8g), 21g Fat
    :: (Saturated 2g, mono-unsatu 17g, poly-unsatu 2g), fibre 5g, Sodium
    :: 0.7g
    ::
    :: Now, To me, This seems quite "Healthy" as a "snack", Am i right in
    :: thinking this, or is there anything anyone can see as a "risk"
    ::
    :: I was in a supermarket the other day, and compared Vegitable oil and
    :: Sunflower oil, the Sunflower oil seemed to be "Worse" than the
    :: vegitable oil in terms of saturated fat. This has me really puzzled,
    :: as the sunflower oil seems worse, why are the more "healthy" Crisps
    :: using sunflower oil, does something happen to the oils upon cooking
    :: or something?
    ::
    :: Sorry for such a long post, Would Really appreachiate any replies,
    ::

    If you are serious in your posting I think that there is a lot that you
    can learn and not only about fatty acids. :-)
    If you really want to learn about a healthy diet I suggest that you make
    a Google search about the _traditional Cretan Mediterranean Diet_ and
    start applying that to your life.

    _ Extra virgin olive oil_ is the safest option to use. In addition of
    olive oil you need omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_. I also suggest
    that you start eating a lot of vegetables and fruits. Cut all refined
    grains and use only whole grain products. Fatty fish and pulses (tofu,
    beans, lentils) are better protein choices than chicken.

    --
    Juhana

  7. Quoted message said:

    omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_.

    Juhana, good point.

    DIdn't you (or somebody around here) post recently about a vegetarian
    source of long chain omega-3 fatty acids? Some seaweed or fungus or
    something? I googled but coulnd't find.

    I ask not for myself (I love sardines) but for my wife who detests
    anything fishy taking - including fish oil capsules.

    Adam Becker

  8. If "saturated fat" is so "bad," then there is no scientific explanation
    for the World Health Organization database, which shows very low rates
    of cancer for those peoples on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets.
    If you look at Italy and other Med countries, you'll see that some have
    even higher rates than the USA. You might have read a textbook, but
    it's time to start looking at the actual evidence. Perhaps then you
    will be more in touch with the scientific reality here.

  9. [email hidden] wrote:
    ::: omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_.
    ::
    :: Juhana, good point.
    ::
    :: DIdn't you (or somebody around here) post recently about a vegetarian
    :: source of long chain omega-3 fatty acids? Some seaweed or fungus or
    :: something? I googled but coulnd't find.
    ::
    :: I ask not for myself (I love sardines) but for my wife who detests
    :: anything fishy taking - including fish oil capsules.
    ::
    :: Adam Becker

    I recall it was Pearl who was speaking about vegetarian DHA capsules
    made from seaweed. They are OK but more expensive than fish oils.

    --
    Juhana

  10. Juhana Harju wrote:
    :: [email hidden] wrote:
    ::::: omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_.
    ::::
    :::: Juhana, good point.
    ::::
    :::: DIdn't you (or somebody around here) post recently about a
    :::: vegetarian source of long chain omega-3 fatty acids? Some seaweed
    :::: or fungus or something? I googled but coulnd't find.
    ::::
    :::: I ask not for myself (I love sardines) but for my wife who detests
    :::: anything fishy taking - including fish oil capsules.
    ::::
    :::: Adam Becker
    ::
    :: I recall it was Pearl who was speaking about vegetarian DHA capsules
    :: made from seaweed. They are OK but more expensive than fish oils.
    ::

    http://www.detoxyourworld.com/products/food/omega_zen/

    http://www.nutru.com/dha-omega.htm

    --
    Juhana

  11. Why worry about getting omega3 derivatives like EPA/DHA from food
    sources when you can get all the LNA from ground flax seeds that your
    body needs to make its own EPA/DHA. See my paper at
    http://www.geocities.com/andrewvecsey/omega3.html
    for a detailed paper on flax and omega3
    regards
    andrew vecsey

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_.

    Juhana, good point.

    DIdn't you (or somebody around here) post recently about a vegetarian
    source of long chain omega-3 fatty acids? Some seaweed or fungus or
    something? I googled but coulnd't find.

    I ask not for myself (I love sardines) but for my wife who detests
    anything fishy taking - including fish oil capsules.

    Adam Becker

  12. [email hidden] wrote:
    :: Why worry about getting omega3 derivatives like EPA/DHA from food
    :: sources when you can get all the LNA from ground flax seeds that your
    :: body needs to make its own EPA/DHA. See my paper at
    :: http://www.geocities.com/andrewvecsey/omega3.html
    :: for a detailed paper on flax and omega3
    :: regards
    :: andrew vecsey
    ::
    :: [email hidden] wrote:
    :::: omega-3 fatty acids from _fatty fish_.
    :::
    ::: Juhana, good point.
    :::
    ::: DIdn't you (or somebody around here) post recently about a
    ::: vegetarian source of long chain omega-3 fatty acids? Some seaweed
    ::: or fungus or something? I googled but coulnd't find.
    :::
    ::: I ask not for myself (I love sardines) but for my wife who detests
    ::: anything fishy taking - including fish oil capsules.
    :::

    Because there is not enough elongation from alpha linolenic acid to EPA
    and DHA - you can be sure about the elongation only if you are young,
    female and healthy. Many people might also find it unpractical or
    difficult to use ground flax seeds on a daily bases. LNA obtained from
    extracted oils correlates with higher prostate cancer risk.

    --
    Juhana

  13. montygram:

    Regarding your comment, "...very low rates of cancer for those peoples
    on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets", shouldn't one consider the
    issue of the relation of saturated fat consumption and cancer risk in
    relation to the total diet composition of the coconut and palm kernel
    oil eaters, and indeed, their whole lifestyle profile?

  14. TonySeb wrote:
    :: Regarding [Montygram's] comment, "...very low rates of cancer for
    those
    :: peoples on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets", shouldn't one
    :: consider the issue of the relation of saturated fat consumption and
    :: cancer risk in relation to the total diet composition of the coconut
    :: and palm kernel oil eaters, and indeed, their whole lifestyle
    :: profile?

    Yes, the Thai diets are high in vegetables and there are certain spices
    that have anti-cancer properties (turmeric, kaffir lime leaves, lemon
    grass and galangal root) which are widely used. I have experimented with
    those spices and I like them.

    --
    Juhana

  15. Juhana Harju wrote:
    :: TonySeb wrote:
    :::: Regarding [Montygram's] comment, "...very low rates of cancer for
    :::: those peoples on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets", shouldn't
    :::: one consider the issue of the relation of saturated fat
    :::: consumption and cancer risk in relation to the total diet
    :::: composition of the coconut and palm kernel oil eaters, and indeed,
    :::: their whole lifestyle profile?
    ::
    :: Yes, the Thai diets are high in vegetables and there are certain
    :: spices that have anti-cancer properties (turmeric, kaffir lime
    :: leaves, lemon grass and galangal root) which are widely used. I have
    :: experimented with those spices and I like them.
    ::
    _Thai soup, a powerful antioxidant_

    14/12/2000 - A daily bowl of "tom yum gung", Thailand's celebrated spicy
    shrimp soup, might help keep the doctor away, the Bangkok Post reported
    this week. According to the preliminary results of a Thai-Japanese study
    into the medicinal qualities of Thai cuisine, tom yum gung contains
    several anti-cancer properties that are more effective than other
    antioxidants, including vitamin C and the vitamin precursor
    betacarotene.

    The study concluded that substances found in galanga, lemon grass and
    kaffir lime leaves - the main ingredients in the spicy soup - are 100
    times more effective in inhibiting tumours than those found in other
    foods. Researchers at Thailand's Kasetsart University, who conducted the
    study with Kyoto and Kinki universities in Japan, claimed that the
    results confirmed "folk knowledge" and that traditional Thai cuisine,
    famed for its heavy use of herbs and spices, has long been known to have
    health benefits. The researchers added that they had discovered a type
    of antioxidant, called 1'- acetoxychavicol acetate (ACA), in the soup's
    ingredients, which was 100 times more effective in blocking cancer
    growths than betacarotene - currently deemed the substance with the best
    cancer- fighting properties. Research on tom yum gung and other
    well-known Thai dishes began in 1993 after a discovery by Japanese
    researchers that Thais have a much lower rate of cancer of the digestive
    tract than Japanese, Filipinos and Westerners.

    http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=39881-thai-soup-a

    Unfortunately I have not found any published studies about this.

    --
    Juhana

  16. Juhana Harju wrote:
    :: Juhana Harju wrote:
    :::: TonySeb wrote:
    :::::: Regarding [Montygram's] comment, "...very low rates of cancer for
    :::::: those peoples on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets", shouldn't
    :::::: one consider the issue of the relation of saturated fat
    :::::: consumption and cancer risk in relation to the total diet
    :::::: composition of the coconut and palm kernel oil eaters, and
    :::::: indeed, their whole lifestyle profile?
    ::::
    :::: Yes, the Thai diets are high in vegetables and there are certain
    :::: spices that have anti-cancer properties (turmeric, kaffir lime
    :::: leaves, lemon grass and galangal root) which are widely used. I
    :::: have experimented with those spices and I like them.
    ::::
    :: _Thai soup, a powerful antioxidant_
    ::
    :: 14/12/2000 - A daily bowl of "tom yum gung", Thailand's celebrated
    :: spicy shrimp soup, might help keep the doctor away, the Bangkok Post
    :: reported this week. According to the preliminary results of a
    :: Thai-Japanese study into the medicinal qualities of Thai cuisine,
    :: tom yum gung contains several anti-cancer properties that are more
    :: effective than other antioxidants, including vitamin C and the
    :: vitamin precursor betacarotene.
    ::
    :: The study concluded that substances found in galanga, lemon grass and
    :: kaffir lime leaves - the main ingredients in the spicy soup - are 100
    :: times more effective in inhibiting tumours than those found in other
    :: foods. Researchers at Thailand's Kasetsart University, who conducted
    :: the study with Kyoto and Kinki universities in Japan, claimed that
    :: the results confirmed "folk knowledge" and that traditional Thai
    :: cuisine, famed for its heavy use of herbs and spices, has long been
    :: known to have health benefits. The researchers added that they had
    :: discovered a type of antioxidant, called 1'- acetoxychavicol acetate
    :: (ACA), in the soup's ingredients, which was 100 times more effective
    :: in blocking cancer growths than betacarotene - currently deemed the
    :: substance with the best cancer- fighting properties. Research on tom
    :: yum gung and other well-known Thai dishes began in 1993 after a
    :: discovery by Japanese researchers that Thais have a much lower rate
    :: of cancer of the digestive tract than Japanese, Filipinos and
    :: Westerners.
    ::
    :: http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=39881-thai-soup-a
    ::
    :: Unfortunately I have not found any published studies about this.
    ::

    CANCER PREVENTIVE POTENTIALS OF VEGETABLES AND FRUITS FROM SOUTHEAST
    ASIA AND SOME OF THEIR ACTIVE CONSTITUENTS
    K. Koshimizu, A. Murakami, H. Ohigashi
    Cancer prevention, Citrus hystrix, bitter orange, Languas
    galanga, great galangal, glyceroglycolipid, acetoxychavicol acetate
    Abstract:
    A total of 112 species of edible plants (122 samples) from
    Thailand were randomly collected, and their methanol-extracts screened
    for in vitro anti-tumor promoting activity using the inhibition test of
    tumor promoter-induced Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) activation in Raji
    cells. It was found that 60% of these extracts inhibited EBV activation
    by 30% or more at a concentration of 200 mg/ml. It should be noted that
    the ratio was markedly higher than that (26%) previously observed in
    common edible plants in Japan. The species in the families Labiatae,
    Piperaceae, Rutaceae and Zingiberaceae were promising sources of
    effective anti-tumor promoters. In addition, anti-tumor promoting
    effects of two active constituents,
    1,2-di-O--linolenoyl-3-O--galactopyranosyl-sn-glycerol (DLGG, Citrus
    hystrix), and 1'-acetoxychavicol acetate (ACA, Languas galanga),
    together with their possible mode of action investigated thus far, are
    described.

    --
    Juhana

  17. Juhana Harju wrote:
    :: Juhana Harju wrote:
    :::: Juhana Harju wrote:
    :::::: TonySeb wrote:
    :::::::: Regarding [Montygram's] comment, "...very low rates of cancer
    :::::::: for those peoples on coconut oil or palm kernel oil diets",
    :::::::: shouldn't one consider the issue of the relation of saturated
    :::::::: fat consumption and cancer risk in relation to the total diet
    :::::::: composition of the coconut and palm kernel oil eaters, and
    :::::::: indeed, their whole lifestyle profile?
    ::::::
    :::::: Yes, the Thai diets are high in vegetables and there are certain
    :::::: spices that have anti-cancer properties (turmeric, kaffir lime
    :::::: leaves, lemon grass and galangal root) which are widely used. I
    :::::: have experimented with those spices and I like them.
    ::::::
    :::: _Thai soup, a powerful antioxidant_
    :::: [...]
    :::: The study concluded that substances found in galanga, lemon grass
    :::: and kaffir lime leaves - the main ingredients in the spicy soup -
    :::: are 100 times more effective in inhibiting tumours than those
    :::: found in other foods. [...]
    :::: The researchers added that they had discovered a type of
    :::: antioxidant, called 1'- acetoxychavicol acetate (ACA), in the
    :::: soup's ingredients, which was 100 times more effective in blocking
    :::: cancer growths than betacarotene - currently deemed the substance
    :::: with the best cancer- fighting properties. [...] Thais have a much
    lower
    :::: rate of cancer of the digestive tract than Japanese, Filipinos and
    :::: Westerners.
    ::
    :: CANCER PREVENTIVE POTENTIALS OF VEGETABLES AND FRUITS FROM SOUTHEAST
    :: ASIA AND SOME OF THEIR ACTIVE CONSTITUENTS
    :: K. Koshimizu, A. Murakami, H. Ohigashi
    :: Cancer prevention, Citrus hystrix, bitter orange, Languas
    :: galanga, great galangal, glyceroglycolipid, acetoxychavicol acetate
    :: Abstract: [...]
    ::
    Here is a good review of the anti-tumour properties of Thai foods.

    http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/APJCN/Vol3/Num4/34p185.htm

    So, I think that saturated fat content of Thai foods is not the main
    reason for their low cancer rates.

    --
    Juhana

  18. Quoted message said:

    Why worry about getting omega3 derivatives like EPA/DHA from food
    sources when you can get all the LNA from ground flax seeds that
    your body needs to make its own EPA/DHA. See my paper at
    http://www.geocities.com/andrewvecsey/omega3.html for a detailed
    paper on flax and omega3

    Most adults cannot effectively make these conversions. It is limited,
    especially to DHA - http://tinyurl.com/4cdrx

    DZ

  19. There is a very large literature on how PUFAs cause cancer, especially
    omega 3s. If you eliminate them from the diet, you don't have to worry
    about eating things with "tumor fighting" qualities. Poison fights
    tumors, after all. It's not as simple as some of you think. You are
    thinking that cancers just happen, which is inaccurate. But you'll
    need to read the literature with an open mind, because it's clear that
    your misconceptions are clouding your thoughts. It's not just the
    Thai, it's just about every third world nation. And they generally
    have very low heart disease rates as well. The only thing they share
    is much higher fatty acid consumption, lower omega 6 PUFA consumption,
    and lower caloric intake in general. Omega 3's can have "anti-tumor
    effects," by the way, because it's so toxic. Do you want to give
    yourself chemotherapy before you get cancer (and may never, if you
    convert to coconut or palm kernel oil)?

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