More have OS got it right?

Jeff C <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:2005131234821.480897@jeff:

Quoted message said:

Do we really need a map to tell us where the Pubs are? and if so
wouldn't the old P.H. do instead of a big blue pint pot.

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The old map was printed in four colours only, Orange, Blue, Black and
Grey. The same field boundaries are still there in the old map but are
printed in grey and blend in with the orange contours, but are still
visible if you care to look. All these changes have sneaked up on us.

I noticed the other day comparing a 50 year old 1" map to a new 1:25,000
explorer series that the new map uses the same typeface throughout, whereas
the old map used several different ones which enabled the user to easily
distinguish between ecclesiastical, politcal and administrative boundaries
etc.

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Tasmin350i MatchlessG80
BONY#1 DIAABTCOD#8 OSOS#27 SKA#3

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Quoted message said:

Jeff C <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:2005131234821.480897@jeff:

Quoted message said:

Do we really need a map to tell us where the Pubs are? and if so
wouldn't the old P.H. do instead of a big blue pint pot.

<snip>

The old map was printed in four colours only, Orange, Blue, Black and
Grey. The same field boundaries are still there in the old map but are
printed in grey and blend in with the orange contours, but are still
visible if you care to look. All these changes have sneaked up on us.

I noticed the other day comparing a 50 year old 1" map to a new 1:25,000
explorer series that the new map uses the same typeface throughout,
whereas
the old map used several different ones which enabled the user to easily
distinguish between ecclesiastical, politcal and administrative boundaries
etc.

--
tallbloke
Tasmin350i MatchlessG80
BONY#1 DIAABTCOD#8 OSOS#27 SKA#3

I have noticed that some of the printing on newer maps obscure useful info.
The map for norther snowdonia (outdoor leisure, 1:250000) has the footpath
from fairy glen in Capelulo to Dwygyfylchi overprinted with yellow park
boundary.
I had to cross a golf course 'cos i didn't spot the darn path!
Still, had it been summer, the pubs would have been open and this
eventuality wouold not have arisen!

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Only Fools and Ponies. (Carneddau ponies threatened by beaurocrats, you
decide which is which)
Save the Carneddau Ponies
www.daveroberts.f2s.com/

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Ysgrifennodd "tallbloke" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
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Quoted message said:

Jeff C <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:2005131234821.480897@jeff:

Quoted message said:

Do we really need a map to tell us where the Pubs are? and if so
wouldn't the old P.H. do instead of a big blue pint pot.

<snip>

The old map was printed in four colours only, Orange, Blue, Black and
Grey. The same field boundaries are still there in the old map but are
printed in grey and blend in with the orange contours, but are still
visible if you care to look. All these changes have sneaked up on us.

I noticed the other day comparing a 50 year old 1" map to a new 1:25,000
explorer series that the new map uses the same typeface throughout,
whereas
the old map used several different ones which enabled the user to easily
distinguish between ecclesiastical, politcal and administrative boundaries
etc.

--
tallbloke
Tasmin350i MatchlessG80
BONY#1 DIAABTCOD#8 OSOS#27 SKA#3

I have noticed that some of the printing on newer maps obscure useful info.
The map for norther snowdonia (outdoor leisure, 1:250000) has the footpath
from fairy glen in Capelulo to Dwygyfylchi overprinted with yellow park
boundary.
I had to cross a golf course 'cos i didn't spot the darn path!
Still, had it been summer, the pubs would have been open and this
eventuality wouold not have arisen!

I personally find the multicoloured "orange series" explorer maps much
easier to use than the old "green series" - with the added plus that
they cover a much bigger area. My only criticism would be the double
sided ones - whilst you do get more for your money, trying to turn
them inside out on a windy day on the south west coast path when
you've just crossed from one side to the other is no joke at all! I
do agree that its difficult to distinguish between different types of
boundary; for most walking purposes this doesn't matter but it's a
pain in the neck when you're trying to work out old county boundaries
(for county top bagging purposes).

A bigger concern is inaccuracies in the "pink" 1:50,000 series. We
recently did an extra (and, it turned out, fake) "county" top for
Reading Unitary Authority because the Reading pink map has an
unlabelled 90m contour printed with a thicker line, making us think it
was a "peak" over 100m - see here for details:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm. It wasn't
exactly the nicest "top" either!

As to the park boundaries overprinting footpaths - this is only going
to get worse with the new open access boundaries being added... I'd
have to say though that these are more vital from a walkers
perspective than park boundaries are.

Anth

Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm

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A bigger concern is inaccuracies in the "pink" 1:50,000 series. We
recently did an extra (and, it turned out, fake) "county" top for
Reading Unitary Authority because the Reading pink map has an
unlabelled 90m contour printed with a thicker line, making us think it
was a "peak" over 100m - see here for details:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm. It wasn't
exactly the nicest "top" either!

I have wondered about Reading.. Took some working out...(some boroughs
in London were worse though)
Are you on the cohp mailing list... Crazy Americans.....
http://www.cohp.org

Just reading your West Midland reports - happy memories (not)
You will enjoy the two Shropshire tops and Malvern and Black Mountain
though.

Richard Webb

What we need, is a digital map format where you can remove extraneous data.

I know what information i need on a walk, and i could remove those when
printing a fresh map.

Of course, i may need to invest in an A3 printer to make the most of it..

Oh and Anth, it was a double sided one i was using, and crossing from one to
another! so I didnt bother swapping sides till later.

T Dave Roberts.

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Only Fools and Ponies. (Carneddau ponies threatened by beaurocrats, you
decide which is which)
Save the Carneddau Ponies
www.daveroberts.f2s.com/

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A bigger concern is inaccuracies in the "pink" 1:50,000 series. We
recently did an extra (and, it turned out, fake) "county" top for
Reading Unitary Authority because the Reading pink map has an
unlabelled 90m contour printed with a thicker line, making us think it
was a "peak" over 100m - see here for details:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm. It wasn't
exactly the nicest "top" either!

I have wondered about Reading.. Took some working out...(some boroughs
in London were worse though)
Are you on the cohp mailing list... Crazy Americans.....
http://www.cohp.org

No, I've come across their "rules" before though - far too stringent
for my liking. I don't want to end up walking up and down every
single square metre of a ploughed field to ensure I've stood on the
exact highest point!

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Just reading your West Midland reports - happy memories (not)

I rather enjoyed the Midlands tops; I think it's all down to
expectations. I was expecting to see nondescript backstreets of a
grimy industrial city (sorry, Birminghamites!) and places like Barr
Beacon, Sedgeley Beacon, Tansley Hill and Turner's Hill came as a
pleasant surprise - the city views were stunning!

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You will enjoy the two Shropshire tops and Malvern and Black Mountain
though.

TWO Shropshire tops? Are there anyother points in Shropshire of equal
or greater height than Brown Clee Hill? Or are you including
Telford/Wrekin in Shropshire? Please don't make me expand the list -
my ancient Fiesta is already worried by the distance it's going to
have to travel!

Cheers!

Anth
Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm

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TWO Shropshire tops? Are there anyother points in Shropshire of equal
or greater height than Brown Clee Hill? Or are you including
Telford/Wrekin in Shropshire? Please don't make me expand the list -
my ancient Fiesta is already worried by the distance it's going to
have to travel!

Telfordandwrekin is in Shropshire.

I have never ever heard of it mentioned other than as a council
entity.. so for now, until the next gerrymander.. Shropshire has two
council tops.. Berkshire is even more blessed :-)

re the COHP rules.. "foot dragging from a moving vehicle is permmited
when under fire"

Richard Webb

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A bigger concern is inaccuracies in the "pink" 1:50,000 series. We
recently did an extra (and, it turned out, fake) "county" top for
Reading Unitary Authority because the Reading pink map has an
unlabelled 90m contour printed with a thicker line, making us think it
was a "peak" over 100m - see here for details:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm. It wasn't
exactly the nicest "top" either!

I have wondered about Reading.. Took some working out...(some boroughs
in London were worse though)

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Sorry, a latecomer to this thread. Are you sure you've got it right
about Reading Unitary Authority and the Tilehurst water tower? What
about SU 72303 77303? What's more you get a better class of yob over on
this side of the river <g>.

Regards,
Nick.

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Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton
Caversham, Reading, England
<[email hidden]>

Nick Hopton said:

Sorry, a latecomer to this thread. Are you sure you've got it right
about Reading Unitary Authority and the Tilehurst water tower? What
about SU 72303 77303? What's more you get a better class of yob over on
this side of the river <g>.

Regards,
Nick.

(Even later to the thread)

There's a 105m spot height neat the Tilehurst Tower...

I've heard that the OS put deliberate errors in their maps to act as
copy detection - could this be one? (I suspect not... who copies
contours anyway...)

Andy

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Quoted message said:

>A bigger concern is inaccuracies in the "pink" 1:50,000 series. We
>recently did an extra (and, it turned out, fake) "county" top for
>Reading Unitary Authority because the Reading pink map has an
>unlabelled 90m contour printed with a thicker line, making us think it
>was a "peak" over 100m - see here for details:
>http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm. It wasn't
>exactly the nicest "top" either!

I have wondered about Reading.. Took some working out...(some boroughs
in London were worse though)

[...]

Sorry, a latecomer to this thread. Are you sure you've got it right
about Reading Unitary Authority and the Tilehurst water tower? What
about SU 72303 77303? What's more you get a better class of yob over on
this side of the river <g>.

Regards,
Nick.

Hey Nick

Yeah, we went to the area of your grid reference (we took a GPS
reading about 100m away from it) - see our report here:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm.

It just looks as high on the OS map cos the OS have made a (very
rare!) error. It caused us an annoying waste of petrol after someone
else posted the "Russet Glade Myth" on this discussion group!

Re: "better class of yob" - they'll be the ones that do the stabbings
at that nightclub in Caversham then??! <g> back.

I work in central Reading - away from the unspectacular Unitary top,
there's actually some surprisingly nice lunchtime walking around the
Kennett, Thames & Abbey Ruins - just goes to show, there's nice bits
even in the nastiest places!

Cheers

Anth

Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm

In a recent message <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote.

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Yeah, we went to the area of your grid reference (we took a GPS
reading about 100m away from it) - see our report here:
http://www.wheresthepath.com/County_tops/CT_Reading_2.htm.

[...]

Yes, sorry, I discovered this link about ten seconds after hitting the
send button.

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It just looks as high on the OS map cos the OS have made a (very
rare!) error. It caused us an annoying waste of petrol after someone
else posted the "Russet Glade Myth" on this discussion group!

I haven't given up on Russet Glade just yet, I'll wander round there
with the Geko before too long <g>.

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Re: "better class of yob" - they'll be the ones that do the stabbings
at that nightclub in Caversham then??! <g> back.

That was a long time ago. The victim was the boy-friend of the girl who
used to live next door, he was a really nice lad.

Quoted message said:

I work in central Reading - away from the unspectacular Unitary top,
there's actually some surprisingly nice lunchtime walking around the
Kennett, Thames & Abbey Ruins - just goes to show, there's nice bits
even in the nastiest places!

It's all right is Reading, the biggest little town in England <g>.

Regards,
Nick.
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Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton
Caversham, Reading, England
<[email hidden]>

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You might have done better looking for something of interest _below_
that area:
<http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/h/hanover_chalk_mine/index.shtml>

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This is very interesting, thanks. But I can't for the life of me see how
adding chalk to brickearth would help restrain shrinkage. Crushed flint
would help to do this, of course. I'd always assumed that these 'chalk
mines' were in fact flint mines, but that the chalk won as a by-product
could also be fired for lime.

Regards,
Nick.
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Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton
Caversham, Reading, England
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