OT: Shooting language :"Shoot to kill"

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| On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:10:23 -0700, George Parton <[email hidden]>
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| > In a previous string about self defense with a weapon some made the
| > statement that if threatened they would shoot to kill. In our personal
| > defense courses we stress that one should aim to "stop" the assailant
| > which is a defensive effort where shooting to "kill" could be construed
| > as premeditation. It is all a matter of language but could be very
| > important after the fact.
| > In the society we live in today the victim can become the defendant
| > quite easily.
| > George
|
| If you decide to shoot at all, you'd better be prepared to kill.
Stopping
| an assailant to live another day to assault you again, is ignorant. And if
| it assaulted once, it will assault again.
|
| I'd not be alive today if I aimed to just stop an assailant temporarily.
| And perhaps sit next to him as he bleeds and sing "Feelings.. o/~ o/~."
| Harsh language gets you nothing. Except killed.
|
| Best Regards,
|
| Steve
|
| Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

Perhaps you should change your sig to "Tout est perdu, aussi l'honneur!"

Peter

Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
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Sorry. I don't speak French.

Um, then why do you use a .sig that's *in* French.

Martha

Quoted message said:

Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

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George Parton said:

In a previous string about self defense with a weapon some made the
statement that if threatened they would shoot to kill. In our personal
defense courses we stress that one should aim to "stop" the assailant
which is a defensive effort where shooting to "kill" could be construed
as premeditation. It is all a matter of language but could be very
important after the fact.
In the society we live in today the victim can become the defendant
quite easily.
George

Yeah, escalation of force. I left that out of my last long winded post.

My bil was pulled from his car and beaten a few years ago. He was very
upset, and felt that if he'd had a gun then he could have defended
himself. He didn't like hearing that if he'd shot them he would have
spent at least one night in jail.

Stories like this contribute to my belief that the best thing to do is
run away.

brigid

Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
out loud... :

Sorry. I don't speak French.

Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

I took french 20 years ago. I'll give it a shot - I think it says "you
have lost your honor".

brigid

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Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
out loud... :

Sorry. I don't speak French.

Best Regards,
Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

I took french 20 years ago. I'll give it a shot - I think it says "you
have lost your honor".

Everything is lost in favour of honor. How about Honor is the most important
thing?

Nicky.

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Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:10:23 -0700, George Parton <[email hidden]> Cried
out loud... :

Quoted message said:

In a previous string about self defense with a weapon some made the
statement that if threatened they would shoot to kill. In our personal
defense courses we stress that one should aim to "stop" the assailant
which is a defensive effort where shooting to "kill" could be construed
as premeditation. It is all a matter of language but could be very
important after the fact.
In the society we live in today the victim can become the defendant
quite easily.
George

If you decide to shoot at all, you'd better be prepared to kill. Stopping
an assailant to live another day to assault you again, is ignorant. And if
it assaulted once, it will assault again.

No, what is ignorant is your attitude.

Your concern should not be "preventing" someone from performing future
assaults by killing them, it should be to use sufficient force to
protect yourself or your family from immediate harm. You are not a
judge, jury and executioner. If you make a decision to kill someone
based on your presumption that they will be a future threat, then you
are a common murderer and should be treated as such.

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I'd not be alive today if I aimed to just stop an assailant temporarily.

That is another idiotic statement.

David

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Brigid Nelson said:

Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
out loud... :

Sorry. I don't speak French.

Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

I took french 20 years ago. I'll give it a shot - I think it says "you
have lost your honor".

brigid

It is a sixteenth century quote from Francois I, and means "All is lost
save (except) honor."

It should be written: "Tout est perdu, fors l'honneur."

Regards

David

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J. David Anderson said:

Brigid Nelson said:

Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
out loud... :

Sorry. I don't speak French.

Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

I took french 20 years ago. I'll give it a shot - I think it says
"you have lost your honor".

brigid

It is a sixteenth century quote from Francois I, and means "All is lost
save (except) honor."

It should be written: "Tout est perdu, fors l'honneur."

Regards

David

Oh, that makes more sense. Thankyou.

brigid

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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500, "pmarengo" <[email hidden]> Cried
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Sorry. I don't speak French.

Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

so fake it ... http://babelfish.altavista.com

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Perdu said:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:10:23 -0700, George Parton <[email hidden]>
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Quoted message said:

If you decide to shoot at all, you'd better be prepared to kill.
Stopping
an assailant to live another day to assault you again, is ignorant. And
if
it assaulted once, it will assault again.

prepared? yes. that means, you'd better be realize that you just might
kill someone, but that doesnt mean your intent should be killing him.

even the police have to exercize caution in using too much force. if a
badguy has a knife, a cop can't just shoot him unless they have exhausted
other measures (in this state, anyway). something to do with excessive
force. either way, a shot to the gut is fairly effective in putting a man
down until the cops/paramedics get there. i agree with brigid tho, id
rather not make that decision and id prefer running away myself.

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prepared? yes. that means, you'd better be realize that you just might
kill someone, but that doesnt mean your intent should be killing him.

even the police have to exercize caution in using too much force. if a
badguy has a knife, a cop can't just shoot him unless they have exhausted
other measures (in this state, anyway). something to do with excessive
force. either way, a shot to the gut is fairly effective in putting a man
down until the cops/paramedics get there. i agree with brigid tho, id
rather not make that decision and id prefer running away myself.

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hah.. sorry for grammar. ......at least i caught it afterwards.

-t

"Under the Texas rule , an individual, who is not a trespasser, need
not retreat from an assailant if he/she truly fears death or serious
bodily harm. It is assumed that the assailant is the person who
initiated the attack without any provocation on the part of the
defender. "

So, deadly force may be used in Texas. But you should aim carefully.
A dead body tells no lies.

dk

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:10:23 -0700, George Parton <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In a previous string about self defense with a weapon some made the
statement that if threatened they would shoot to kill. In our personal
defense courses we stress that one should aim to "stop" the assailant
which is a defensive effort where shooting to "kill" could be construed
as premeditation. It is all a matter of language but could be very
important after the fact.
In the society we live in today the victim can become the defendant
quite easily.
George