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  1. Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    The details:
    ============

    Effective immediately, registration for our news service is only
    possible through our web site:

    http://news.individual.net/

    Registration by e-mail (as hitherto) is no longer possible.

    Holders of existing accounts who want to continue using their account
    need to convert it into a pay account. This is also only possible
    through our web site:

    http://news.individual.net/

    You will also find all details on payment options, terms of use, and
    terms of contract on the web site.

    The time until March 31th, 2005, is a transitional period so that
    holders of existing accounts will have plenty of time for convenient
    conversion. Sign-up for new accounts or conversion of existing accounts
    made within the transitional period (before April 1th, 2005) will not
    cause any disadvantages:

    Contracts concluded within the transitional period will last until
    March 31th, 2006 (Annual Subscription) or June 30th, 2005 (3 Months
    Subscription) without additional costs. Then the contracts will auto-
    matically renew themselves for another year or another three months
    respectively.

    Important notes:

    Effective from April 1th, 2005, all non-converted accounts will stop
    working.

    Users who use the server News.CIS.DFN.DE as part of the DFNNetNews
    project are not effected by the changes described above. Nothing will
    change for these users, they do not need to do anything.

    The fee:
    ========

    The fee for an account for News.Individual.NET is 10 EUR per year
    (annual payment), that converts to only 0.84 EUR per month. The price
    includes VAT at 16%.

    The background:
    ===============

    The tradition of running news servers at Freie Universitaet Berlin goes
    back as far as 1989 (historic keyword: "Methan"😉. The news service was
    open for external users ever since: Until 1992, there was no access
    restriction at all (as usual at that time). Later, a basic access
    management where IP numbers and domain names were added on request was
    established.

    Starting with the CIS project (a third-party funded project of DFN)
    of ZEDAT of Freie Universitaet Berlin, the news service was expanded
    by the feature of registration for individual users in the beginning
    of the year 1998:

    News.CIS.DFN.DE was born. (*)

    (*) see Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    After the CIS project was finished in mid 2002, the administrators kept
    this service alive by maintaining it mainly in their spare time. Since
    this was not sustainable in perpetuity, options on how to raise money
    from external people and institutions for the provision and maintenance
    of the service had to be researched and created. Several approaches to
    find sponsors for the service eventually failed, especially due to the
    lack of understanding by the potential sponsors for the nature of Usenet.

    Since July 1th, 2003, ZEDAT offers - again in cooperation with DFN - news
    services to other research and education institutions for money (service
    name: "DFNNetNews"😉. In the course of this cooperation, the server name
    "News.CIS.DFN.DE" vested exclusively to DFNNetNews:

    "News.Individual.DE" and "News.Individual.NET" are the new server names
    under which the service is available for the more than 250,000 external
    individual users that were registered since the beginning of 1998.

    After a long evaluation and preparation period, the service will convert
    to a fee-based service for these external individual users effective from
    April 1th, 2005. We regret that it is no longer possible to offer this
    service free of charge.

    We would be very happy if our service convinced its users of its quality
    and of the engagement of its operators during the many years of its
    existence so that they decide to stay our users even if the service is not
    free of charge anymore.

    Besides, we would - of course - like to thank all people that recommended
    our service over the years and used it responsibly and carefully in the
    spirit of Usenet!

    Best regards,
    the NetNews Team of Freie Universitaet Berlin

    Glossary:
    =========

    CIS = DFN project "Center for Information Services"
    DFN = Germany's National Research and Education Network
    ZEDAT = Computer Center of Freie Universitaet Berlin

  2. You can probably thank AOL and the [censored] they've pulled with their news
    servers for this...

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  3. Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    --
    Jock

  4. "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:khobman-1502051433150001@localhost...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, John
    Dunlop

    Quoted message said:
    Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    I just signed up for the pay service.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, John Dunlop

    Quoted message said:
    Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

  6. Hobbes said:
    John Dunlop said:
    Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of
    News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service
    will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1
    April to see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me
    if it wasn't an April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to
    my ISP's news server. So I just switched over.

    It was only a matter of time. Ultimately, there is no
    free lunch.

  7. "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    John Dunlop said:
    Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service. [snip]

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    My ISP has a news server, too, but they don't seem to 'get' as many messages
    as the German one (system overload? dunno). Anyway, at only 10 Euros per
    year, it certainly costs way less than any other fee I pay for anything
    (ISP, website, gym, utilities, etc). It's also less than any other news
    service "out there" (if there are any still in business - I haven't looked
    since I got turned onto N.I.N).

    Just think, if only 25% of their 'registered users' (250,000) sign up,
    they'd have over 600,000 Euros per year to operate. Ought to be able to run
    a d*mn fine newsserver for that kind of money (she says, without a clue how
    much it costs to run a news server).

    I'll probably sign up. I should send money to snopes, too - I use their
    service all the time (I have a lot of gullible friends who forward email
    horror stories :-).

    Selene

  8. "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You can probably thank AOL and the [censored] they've pulled with their news
    servers for this...

    Ari -
    All I heard was that AOL cancelled their news service. Was there more?

    Selene

  9. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    Hey Lee - I forgot to ask (in _both_ of my posts to this thread already) -
    How did you happen to come on this? I use their service, but I didn't get
    an email from them (oooh, unless it went into my spam quarantine).

    Just wondering,
    Selene

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, "Selene"

    Quoted message said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    Hey Lee - I forgot to ask (in _both_ of my posts to this thread already) -
    How did you happen to come on this? I use their service, but I didn't get
    an email from them (oooh, unless it went into my spam quarantine).

    Just wondering,

    Email was sent to me.

    Do you use the older server? If so, you prolly won't have to pay.

  11. Selene said:

    "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You can probably thank AOL and the [censored] they've pulled with their


    news

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    servers for this...

    Ari -
    All I heard was that AOL cancelled their news service. Was there


    more?

    It seems many ISPs are cancelling their news service. I pay xtra for
    news access since I switched ISPs (was cancelled last year). Oh
    well....

  12. Hobbes said:

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    Aye, there's that too. I liked the German one better as
    well, but my ISP doesn't carry as many groups and, like
    Selene's, doesn't seem to get as many messages.

    Still, mustn't grumble. I got more than my money's worth.

    --
    Jock

  13. Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    The details:
    ============

    Effective immediately, registration for our news service is only
    possible through our web site:

    [snip]

    That sucks. It's the best one I found so far. perhaps my present ISP's
    server might be okay (the last one used Supernews feed and was kind of
    sucky at times). Maybe I'll spring for 10€/year which isn't that much
    (better do it while the dollar is relatively high --by which I mean
    pretty low but higher than it's been in a while).

    Oh, what to do!

    Aughust Pamplona
    --
    The waterfall in Java is not wet.
    - omegazero2003 on m.f.w.

    a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of [censored]
    Proud member of the reality-based community.
    The address in this message's 'From' field, in accordance with
    individual.net's TOS, is real. However, almost all messages
    reaching this address are deleted without human intervention.
    In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message.

    To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me,
    make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

  14. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:33:15 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, John Dunlop

    Quoted message said:
    Lee Michaels said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    I guess I'll be doing the same.
    Too bad you won't get to see my posts again. ;-)
    --
    Bob Mann
    Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

  15. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:24:16 -0600, [email hidden]

    (Hobbes) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Selene"

    Quoted message said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    Hey Lee - I forgot to ask (in _both_ of my posts to this thread already) -
    How did you happen to come on this? I use their service, but I didn't get
    an email from them (oooh, unless it went into my spam quarantine).

    Just wondering,

    Email was sent to me.

    Do you use the older server? If so, you prolly won't have to pay.

    Didn't they shut down the older server?
    It quit working for me.
    --
    Bob Mann
    Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

  16. "Selene" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    Hey Lee - I forgot to ask (in _both_ of my posts to this thread already) -
    How did you happen to come on this? I use their service, but I didn't get
    an email from them (oooh, unless it went into my spam quarantine).

    I found it in my mailbox.

    It looks too practical and official to be a fake or scam. I am sure that it
    will hit the fan in the next few days and we weill hear all about it. But
    ten euros a year seems very reasonable for a year's service. They offer
    much better service than google.

  17. Selene said:

    "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You can probably thank AOL and the [censored] they've pulled with their news
    servers for this...

    Ari -
    All I heard was that AOL cancelled their news service. Was there more?

    Selene

    That's caused a massive migration from AOL, who are taking people's
    money, to individual.net who provided (previously) a free service. Plus
    there've been a lot of administration problems with these AOL users
    behaving badly while using individual.net's server during the last year
    as AOL couldn't be stuffed figuring out what was wrong with their news
    servers in the first place.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  18. Selene said:

    "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    John Dunlop said:

    Lee Michaels wrote:

    >Dear users of News.Individual.NET,
    >
    >effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    >not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    >a fee-based service. [snip]

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    My ISP has a news server, too, but they don't seem to 'get' as many messages
    as the German one (system overload? dunno).

    Poor news feed. My isp provides a news server, but they get their
    newsfeed from elsewhere. When the newsfeed starts dropping posts, it
    gets passed on down the line to me. individual.net is worth the fee.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  19. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dear users of News.Individual.NET,

    effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    a fee-based service.

    Teranews has a free service (with a simple $3.95 intial sign-up fee)--I know
    oxymoron.

    --
    Dr. Dickie
    Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
    Poking kooks with a pointy stick
    Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."

  20. In article said:

    On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:33:15 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, John Dunlop

    Quoted message said:

    Lee Michaels wrote:

    > Dear users of News.Individual.NET,
    >
    > effective from April 1th, 2005, use of News.Individual.NET will
    > not be free of charge anymore. The news service will continue as
    > a fee-based service.

    What to do. Should I pay or should I wait until 1 April to
    see if it's a joke? The joke would be on me if it wasn't an
    April Fools'.

    I like the German server better, but I have access to my ISP's news
    server. So I just switched over.

    I guess I'll be doing the same.
    Too bad you won't get to see my posts again. ;-)

    That is what I'm going to be looking for. But Sasktel may have improved
    service in the intermin. Never know...

    If I have problems they may just get a few Euros out of me.

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