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Re: Too Much Red Meat Bad for Long-Term Health

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  1. Answer: Yes.

    Truth is simple for those who discern it...

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
    presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
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    listener said:


    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    jt said:

    >***********
    >
    >So General Mills is weighing in on low-carb diets. Any surprises in
    >their "findings"? Not really. You guys have to check into who is


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    >these "studies". This is a perfect example of indirect marketing
    >masquerading as science. And the journal does not show any


    declarations

    Quoted message said:

    >of conflict of interest whatsoever. Nor does the news article. Now


    the

    Quoted message said:

    >question is how does the mayo clinic fit into this and do they know
    >that their name has been used and abused in order to lend this [censored]
    >science some sense of legitimacy?
    >
    >Pretty sad. Science in nutrition is an oxymoron.
    >
    >TC

    So how does General Mills benefit from people eating vegtables,
    chicken. fish as opposed to red meat?

    What an idiotic question. What dept of General Mills do *you* work
    for?

    By trashing low-carb they encourage people to continue eating high
    carb grains. You know bread, ready to eat cereals, cakes, as in:

    Betty Crocker
    Big G Cereals
    Bisquick
    Bugles
    Cheerios
    Chex
    Fruit Snacks
    Häagen-Dazs
    Hamburger Helper
    Lucky Charms
    Nature Valley
    Pillsbury
    Pop Secret
    Trix
    Wheaties

    All brands of General Mills highly-refined highly-processed
    sugar-loaded snacks that they sell to your children and mine.

    http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/brands/index.aspx

    They benefited by 11 billions in net sales in 2004.

    http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/74/74271/reports/ar2004_
    final.pdf

    They have identified low carb as one of the three major reasons why
    they didn't make any more billions in 2004:

    "While our earnings results were good overall,
    they fell short of our initial expectations for the
    year due to three principal factors. First, prices
    for a number of key ingredients increased
    sharply, and our 2004 commodity costs were
    much higher than we planned - over $100 million
    above our 2003 expense. Second, the recent
    popularity of low-carbohydrate diets slowed
    sales in several of our major product categories.
    And third, our Bakeries and Foodservice business
    fell well short of targeted results in 2004.
    Net sales for this business segment declined
    2 percent to $1.76 billion and operating profits
    of $132 million were down 15 percent. These
    results were due in part to the low-carbohydrate
    trend and higher supply chain costs. But the
    earnings decline in this segment also reflects
    disruption caused by our own manufacturing
    realignment actions and by decisions to eliminate
    low-margin product lines in a number of
    categories."

    That is a direct quote from their 2004 annual report.

    Here is a table from their annual report:

    U.S. RETAIL LEADING MARKET POSITIONS
    Category Category Our Retail Our Dollar
    Dollars in Millions, Fiscal 2004 Sales Sales Growth Sales Growth Share
    Rank
    Ready-to-eat Cereals $7,600 -1% -2% 31% 2
    Refrigerated Dough 1,580 -1 -3 69 1
    Dessert Mixes 1,470 3 4 38 1
    Frozen Baked Goods 900 3 6 21 1
    Microwave Popcorn 890 2 6 20 2
    Frozen Hot Snacks 850 4 11 26 2
    Fruit Snacks 620 4 2 60 1

    Does this answer your ridiculous question?

    TC

    Politics aside, I guess the real question is:

    Is too much red meat bad for long-term health?

    L.

  2. This "scientific study" aka "indirect marketing effort" has been
    unravelled at:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?T23E12E8A

    TC

    Andrew B. Chung said:

    Answer: Yes.

    Truth is simple for those who discern it...

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Christ's


    holy

    Quoted message said:

    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He


    is

    Quoted message said:

    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2


    which

    Quoted message said:

    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the


    2

    Quoted message said:

    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and


    the

    Quoted message said:

    2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make


    His

    Quoted message said:

    presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus


    16

    Quoted message said:

    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is


    what

    Quoted message said:

    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    listener said:


    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    jt wrote:
    > >***********
    > >
    > >So General Mills is weighing in on low-carb diets. Any


    surprises in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >their "findings"? Not really. You guys have to check into who


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doing
    > >these "studies". This is a perfect example of indirect


    marketing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >masquerading as science. And the journal does not show any
    declarations
    > >of conflict of interest whatsoever. Nor does the news article.


    Now

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > >question is how does the mayo clinic fit into this and do they


    know

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >that their name has been used and abused in order to lend this


    [censored]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >science some sense of legitimacy?
    > >
    > >Pretty sad. Science in nutrition is an oxymoron.
    > >
    > >TC
    >
    > So how does General Mills benefit from people eating vegtables,
    > chicken. fish as opposed to red meat?

    What an idiotic question. What dept of General Mills do *you*


    work

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for?

    By trashing low-carb they encourage people to continue eating


    high

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    carb grains. You know bread, ready to eat cereals, cakes, as in:

    Betty Crocker
    Big G Cereals
    Bisquick
    Bugles
    Cheerios
    Chex
    Fruit Snacks
    Häagen-Dazs
    Hamburger Helper
    Lucky Charms
    Nature Valley
    Pillsbury
    Pop Secret
    Trix
    Wheaties

    All brands of General Mills highly-refined highly-processed
    sugar-loaded snacks that they sell to your children and mine.

    http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/brands/index.aspx

    They benefited by 11 billions in net sales in 2004.


    http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/74/74271/reports/ar2004_

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    final.pdf

    They have identified low carb as one of the three major reasons


    why

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they didn't make any more billions in 2004:

    "While our earnings results were good overall,
    they fell short of our initial expectations for the
    year due to three principal factors. First, prices
    for a number of key ingredients increased
    sharply, and our 2004 commodity costs were
    much higher than we planned - over $100 million
    above our 2003 expense. Second, the recent
    popularity of low-carbohydrate diets slowed
    sales in several of our major product categories.
    And third, our Bakeries and Foodservice business
    fell well short of targeted results in 2004.
    Net sales for this business segment declined
    2 percent to $1.76 billion and operating profits
    of $132 million were down 15 percent. These
    results were due in part to the low-carbohydrate
    trend and higher supply chain costs. But the
    earnings decline in this segment also reflects
    disruption caused by our own manufacturing
    realignment actions and by decisions to eliminate
    low-margin product lines in a number of
    categories."

    That is a direct quote from their 2004 annual report.

    Here is a table from their annual report:

    U.S. RETAIL LEADING MARKET POSITIONS
    Category Category Our Retail Our Dollar
    Dollars in Millions, Fiscal 2004 Sales Sales Growth Sales Growth


    Share

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rank
    Ready-to-eat Cereals $7,600 -1% -2% 31% 2
    Refrigerated Dough 1,580 -1 -3 69 1
    Dessert Mixes 1,470 3 4 38 1
    Frozen Baked Goods 900 3 6 21 1
    Microwave Popcorn 890 2 6 20 2
    Frozen Hot Snacks 850 4 11 26 2
    Fruit Snacks 620 4 2 60 1

    Does this answer your ridiculous question?

    TC

    Politics aside, I guess the real question is:

    Is too much red meat bad for long-term health?

    L.

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