The value of deadlifts

Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

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Difficult to imagine how muscle development is possible.

Especially your brain. It needs to develop 'imagination'.

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elzinator said:

Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

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Difficult to imagine how muscle development is possible.

Especially your brain. It needs to develop 'imagination'.

Why would you want to respond to quite legitimate questions, even if
you do consider them to be somewhat naive, in such a hostile and
sarcastic way?

If you don't want to discuss or help, just ignore the OP. Giving him
smug put-downs is very poor instructional technique and will only
discourage people, or make them want to respond in similar manner,
much like it did me all those years ago!!

Don't [censored] and whine again if you get it back in spades!!

"Nicholas Steel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

Difficult to imagine how muscle development is possible.

If you're interested in reading about the benefits of the deadlift,
consider the book "Power To The People!" by Pavel Tsatsouline. Reading
it convinced me of the benefits of deadlifting and I haven't looked back
since. http://www.kbnj.com/ptp.htm

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, [email hidden] (Nicholas Steel)

Quoted message said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire dorsal chain from Hams to traps.

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I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

You also straighten up your back and your shoulders have to hold on
tight to keep from being ripped apart. (assuming you lift heavy
enough)

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But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

Static contraction is a legitimate exercise. (assuming you lift heavy
enough)
Your traps have to hold your shoulders in place, your biceps have to
keep your forearm attached (ask Keith), your lats keep your shoulders
back, your erectors keep your back straight, your but keeps you
upright and with the hams help get the bar moving.

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Difficult to imagine how muscle development is possible.

Tell you what.
Do a heavy deadlift workout. Find out just how much you can lift for
one rep then drop back and do 10 singles every 30 seconds at 75% of
that. Report back in two days to tell us what hurts. (assuming you
lift heavy enough)

--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

"Nicholas Steel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

Difficult to imagine how muscle development is possible.

Last summer I was trying to pull a max deadlift in the gym. Legs were fine,
got the bar up, standing up, but with my shoulders forward, and I didn't
really feel like trying to pull them back. So no lift, because my upper body
(traps, I'd guess) hadn't pulled hard enough. So I certainly need to have
traps providing force doing deadlifts, and probably also doing a bit of
work. In which case doing deadlifts would tend to cause trap development.

Peter

Roger Zoul said:

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

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The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
genuine reply.

It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".

Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
all on the web somewhere.

I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
don't want to.

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Roger Zoul said:

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

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The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
genuine reply.

It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".

Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
all on the web somewhere.

I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
don't want to.

it's cause some people have an inflated idea of their self worth and it is
basically arrogance that causes them to 'take offense' - really what they
are doing is showing off to their friends that they can take the [censored] out of
newcomers

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Mick R. said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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England just lost to Ireland, making it three defeats in a row in the
Six-Nation's Championships, and their worst run for 18 years!! ;o(

woot!

I think we probably deserve that Mick, but it still hurts!! ;o(

Or we need to have gone down the pub to moan about bloody referees not using
video replay.

Peter

Peter Allen said:

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Mick R. said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>
> England just lost to Ireland, making it three defeats in a row in the
> Six-Nation's Championships, and their worst run for 18 years!! ;o(

woot!

I think we probably deserve that Mick, but it still hurts!! ;o(

Or we need to have gone down the pub to moan about bloody referees not using
video replay.

We get no sympathy by blaming the match officials, and it won't alter
the result, but it was particularly hard to bear today, with most of
the 50-50 decisions going against us, and two perfectly good tries
disallowed!!

Add to that the fact that O'Driscoll had a foot in touch before
scoring the winning 7 points, and it will be seen that we had a torrid
day with the final score 19-13!

The 22nd November 2003 seems a very long time ago!!

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Roger Zoul said:

Charles said:

I don't need to, but that's why other people come here, they expect to
gain knowledge and discuss their fitness and weights problems.

That doesn't mean you can't try to answer a question on your own, does it?

I don't have any questions that need answering!!

Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Reread the question.

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If Google's the answer Roger, why do we need MFW?

There are some new questions or new slants.

In the field of Physical Training and Fitness, Training with weights
and other related activities, there really is rarely anything that
isn't already well known, apart from changes in style or what happens
to be in vogue.

This means inevitably that new people will come here and ask oft
repeated questions. Treat them with a little dignity or leave them
alone is the decent thing to do.

If that was what you were truely after, you would be answering the
questions that you could in the manner you claim that they should be
answered.

Since you don't answer the questions, I suspect that, instead, we are
seeing jealousy and/or envy on your part and that you troll the ones
you are jealous/envious of.

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Perhaps you're too sensitive to be on usenet...

My well-known "persistence" makes that a patently way off target
assumption. Maybe I just introduce an all too rare element of fair
play and good manners, into an arena that is bristling with bloated
egos!!

Nope.

Not even close.

That would require you to answer the questions that you could
in a reasonable and helpful manner, and you steadfastly refuse to
do that.

Art

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Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

Thanks,

Art

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Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

They are quite expensive Art.

And you have to be careful talking about them on usenet. Various Federal
agencies are interested in them for "classified" reasons.

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Roger Zoul said:

Charles <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> I don't need to, but that's why other people come here, they expect to
> gain knowledge and discuss their fitness and weights problems.
>

That doesn't mean you can't try to answer a question on your own, does
it?

I don't have any questions that need answering!!

Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Reread the question.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If Google's the answer Roger, why do we need MFW?
>

There are some new questions or new slants.

In the field of Physical Training and Fitness, Training with weights
and other related activities, there really is rarely anything that
isn't already well known, apart from changes in style or what happens
to be in vogue.

This means inevitably that new people will come here and ask oft
repeated questions. Treat them with a little dignity or leave them
alone is the decent thing to do.

If that was what you were truely after, you would be answering the
questions that you could in the manner you claim that they should be
answered.

Since you don't answer the questions, I suspect that, instead, we are
seeing jealousy and/or envy on your part and that you troll the ones
you are jealous/envious of.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Perhaps you're too sensitive to be on usenet...

My well-known "persistence" makes that a patently way off target
assumption. Maybe I just introduce an all too rare element of fair
play and good manners, into an arena that is bristling with bloated
egos!!

Nope.

Not even close.

That would require you to answer the questions that you could
in a reasonable and helpful manner, and you steadfastly refuse to
do that.

What do you expect from a troll?

Preacher said:

Roger Zoul said:

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
genuine reply.

It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".

Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
all on the web somewhere.

Basically, that is true.

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I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
asked before.

Because it gets old, real old. Especially when the information exists
ad nauseum.
Reread his post and think about the question.

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If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
don't want to.

Yup, I should have just deleted it and not posted a reply, but the
prevalence in lack of thinking and stupidity irritates me lately.
Especially when I have to work on a sunny Sunday and haven't had my
coffee yet.

But then I can be a real [censored] sometimes and that's how I am
sometimes. If y'all can't handle it, you can killfile me or not read
my posts. Matters not to me.

As if I'm the only one in this group that is abrasive? Oh
please.......

Continue to ream me out as you wish.

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David said:

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Roger Zoul said:

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
> off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
> gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
> here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
> they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
> genuine reply.

It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".

Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
all on the web somewhere.

I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
don't want to.

it's cause some people have an inflated idea of their self worth and it is
basically arrogance that causes them to 'take offense' - really what they
are doing is showing off to their friends that they can take the [censored] out of
newcomers

Did that make you feel better?
David, you make me laugh....
I thought I had you killfiled, anyway.

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Art S said:

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Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

They're called 'fairy traps' 🙂

In a more serious vein, DLs have been suggested to be the most
systemically taxing lift as they recruit the entire body.

Regardless, you may put in your order for said Fairy Traps, but just
be aware the they require accessorizing with lats, serratus,
rhomboids, posterior delts, spinal erectors and (god forbid) oblique
abdominals.

As you can see, the complete kit and kabootle is rather 'taxing.' In
Texas, that's 8.25%

You may submit the taxing to me.

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Lee Michaels said:

"Art S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

>I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>leg position and straighten up.
>
>But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

They are quite expensive Art.

And you have to be careful talking about them on usenet. Various Federal
agencies are interested in them for "classified" reasons.

Right now the Feds are investigating the jerks of Olympic Lifting.
They claim they are Unidentified Flying Objects.....

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Art S said:

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Nicholas Steel said:

Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?

The entire body.

Quoted message said:

I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
leg position and straighten up.

But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.

And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

They're called 'fairy traps' 🙂

In a more serious vein, DLs have been suggested to be the most
systemically taxing lift as they recruit the entire body.

Regardless, you may put in your order for said Fairy Traps, but just
be aware the they require accessorizing with lats, serratus,
rhomboids, posterior delts, spinal erectors and (god forbid) oblique
abdominals.

As you can see, the complete kit and kabootle is rather 'taxing.' In
Texas, that's 8.25%

You may submit the taxing to me.

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"All Hell can't stop us now!"
- Rage Against the Machine

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David said:

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Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:

> David <[email hidden]> wrote:

> > The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically

showing

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> > off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with

no

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> > gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful.

People

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> > here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
> > they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
> > genuine reply.
>
> It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of

"replies".

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Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc.

It's

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all on the web somewhere.

I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if

you

Quoted message said:

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don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
don't want to.

it's cause some people have an inflated idea of their self worth and it

is

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basically arrogance that causes them to 'take offense' - really what they
are doing is showing off to their friends that they can take the [censored] out

of

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newcomers

Did that make you feel better?

in truth, yes

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David, you make me laugh....

I take that as a compliment

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I thought I had you killfiled, anyway.

do so at your peril - you'll miss a lot of good stuff

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