"Al Qaeda" does not exist

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You are probably correct. The US government controls the media, which

means

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it control the mindless population of the USA. Meaning, you can create
anything you want to justify anything you want to do. Look at who is in
power. George Bush, clearly the most ignorant, uneducated, red neck ever

to

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wonder into power. This guy was elected by a somewhat dumber population.
Now, given the control of media by the Government, these lemmings can be

fed

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anything. And apparently they have been, now look at the mess they are

in.

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The country is bankrupt, the government is corrupt, and the illegal

invasion

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is still going on.

Just thank God you weren't born american.

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

That's hilarious.

Jeff Strickland said:

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

They are all the same.

FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
FOX shouts it.

- - -
"One useful way of estimating how little separates the Democratic
and Republican parties, and particularly their presidential nominees,
is to tot up the issues on which there is tacit agreement either as a
matter of principle or with an expedient nod-and-wink that these are
not matters suitable to be discussed in any public forum, beyond pro
forma sloganeering: the role of the Federal Reserve, trade policy,
economic redistribution, the role and budget of the CIA and other
intelligence agencies (almost all military), nuclear disarmament,
allocation of military procurement, reduction of the military budget,
the roles and policies of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund
and kindred multilateral agencies, crime, punishment and the prison
explosion, the war on drugs, corporate welfare, energy policy, forest
policy, the destruction of small farmers and ranchers, Israel, the
corruption of the political system."
- Alexander Cockburn, article : "Nader and the conspiracy of silence", July 22, 2004

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Erich said:

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Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.

We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground, what
makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

is

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absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.

If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed underground
fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2004/osm01.shtml

--
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Erich said:

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Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.

We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground,

what

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makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

is

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absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.

If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed

underground

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fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2004/osm01.shtml

--
Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.

HA! That's the one. Excellent find, my friend. :-)

Jeff Strickland said:

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

They are all the same.

FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
FOX shouts it.

- - -
"One useful way of estimating how little separates the Democratic
and Republican parties, and particularly their presidential nominees,
is to tot up the issues on which there is tacit agreement either as a
matter of principle or with an expedient nod-and-wink that these are
not matters suitable to be discussed in any public forum, beyond pro
forma sloganeering: the role of the Federal Reserve, trade policy,
economic redistribution, the role and budget of the CIA and other
intelligence agencies (almost all military), nuclear disarmament,
allocation of military procurement, reduction of the military budget,
the roles and policies of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund
and kindred multilateral agencies, crime, punishment and the prison
explosion, the war on drugs, corporate welfare, energy policy, forest
policy, the destruction of small farmers and ranchers, Israel, the
corruption of the political system."
- Alexander Cockburn, article : "Nader and the conspiracy of silence", July 22, 2004

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Jeff Strickland said:

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

They are all the same.

FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
FOX shouts it.

They can't all be the same and be "controlled by government" because the
content and editorial views are significnatly different. Plus, I didn't even
begin to look at print media, which is equally charged as being the
mouthpiece of the government.

On 28 Feb 2005 00:16:13 -0000, [email hidden]

(Awake) said:

Jeff Strickland said:

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

They are all the same.

FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
FOX shouts it.

I see Awake, the newsgroup terrorist, has returned...

Jeff Strickland said:

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Jeff Strickland said:

Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

They are all the same.

FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
FOX shouts it.

They can't all be the same and be "controlled by government"

Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
a missile strike TWA 800.

There are many more stories in this anthology about the
publishing and TV media industries in this country and
how they closely work with the government behind the
scenes while pretending to be in opposition.

The book is widely available in libraries in America.
It is widely available because they understand that
Americans do not read such books and all avenues
for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
off.

In America, if it is not on TV then it does not exist.

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because the
content and editorial views are significnatly different.

"One useful way of estimating how little separates the Democratic
and Republican parties, and particularly their presidential nominees,
is to tot up the issues on which there is tacit agreement either as a
matter of principle or with an expedient nod-and-wink that these are
not matters suitable to be discussed in any public forum, beyond pro
forma sloganeering: the role of the Federal Reserve, trade policy,
economic redistribution, the role and budget of the CIA and other
intelligence agencies (almost all military), nuclear disarmament,
allocation of military procurement, reduction of the military budget,
the roles and policies of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund
and kindred multilateral agencies, crime, punishment and the prison
explosion, the war on drugs, corporate welfare, energy policy, forest
policy, the destruction of small farmers and ranchers, Israel, the
corruption of the political system."
- Alexander Cockburn, article : "Nader and the conspiracy of silence", July 22, 2004

- - -
"The operative concept of democracy is revealed very clearly in other
ways as well. Perhaps the most extraordinary was the distinction
between Old and New Europe in the run-up to the Iraq war. The criterion
for membership was so clear that it took real discipline to miss it. Old
Europe -the bad guys- were the governments that took the same stand
as the large majority of the population. New Europe -the exciting hope for
a democratic future- were the Churchillian leaders like Berlusconi and
Aznar who disregarded even larger majorities of the population and
submissively took their orders from Crawford, Texas. The most dramatic
case was Turkey, where, to everyone's surprise, the government actually
followed the will of 95 percent of the population. The official administration
moderate, Colin Powell, immediately announced harsh punishment for this
crime. Turkey was bitterly condemned in the national press for lacking
'democratic credentials'. The most extreme example was Paul Wolfowitz,
who berated the Turkish military for not compelling the government to follow
Washington's orders and demanded that they apologize and publicly recognize
that the goal of a properly functioning democracy is to help the U.S."
- Noam Chomsky, Z-Magazine, Feb 2005

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"Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> FOX
simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in

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Quoted message said:

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more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

Yeah, those jets and the people who died on them were, what, special
effects? Idiot.

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Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
a missile strike TWA 800.

Yeah, that's how they would do it. Get someone fired for talking about
something they want kept quiet. That should make her forget about it. No ill
will there. Why not just kill her. >

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The book is widely available in libraries in America.
It is widely available because they understand that
Americans do not read such books and all avenues
for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
off.

Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

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Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
from.

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"Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> FOX
simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
> like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
> that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
> carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

Yeah, those jets and the people who died on them were, what, special
effects? Idiot.

Quoted message said:

Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
a missile strike TWA 800.

Yeah, that's how they would do it. Get someone fired for talking about
something they want kept quiet. That should make her forget about it. No
ill will there. Why not just kill her. >

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The book is widely available in libraries in America.
It is widely available because they understand that
Americans do not read such books and all avenues
for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
off.

Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

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from.

[censored]! You beat me to it!

I bet this guy thinks that Taco Bell is the name of Mexico's phone company
too.

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tech27 said:

"Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> FOX
simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in

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> more [censored]. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
> like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
> that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
> carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

Yeah, those jets and the people who died on them were, what, special
effects? Idiot.

======^^^^^

No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.

The planes did not touch Building Seven.

Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
before it came down.

Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

Quoted message said:

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Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
a missile strike TWA 800.

Yeah, that's how they would do it. Get someone fired for talking about
something they want kept quiet.

You never heard of Kristina Borjesson until now, so obviously that is not a problem.

The "news" media are on the team. They keep *most* things of
importance quiet.

They are the first to be killed in my book.

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That should make her forget about it. No ill
will there. Why not just kill her. >

Because they do not need to.

Dead bodies can cause concern, especially when the
"news" media are discovered not reporting them.

Killing people is the last resort of a dictatorship in trouble.

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The book is widely available in libraries in America.
It is widely available because they understand that
Americans do not read such books and all avenues
for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
off.

Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

It works so much better when the book is available but they manage
to keep people from reading it anyway. This way they can claim that
"free speech" exists.

Just try to discuss "Into the Buzzsaw" on network television though.
That microphone will go dead almost instantly.

In America books do not matter, only television does.

- - - - -
"What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of
indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no
intellect. In a Party member, on the other hand, not even the smallest deviation
of opinion on the most unimportant subject can be tolerated." - George Orwell, "1984"

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Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
from.

Hey tech,....you've got to stop feeding the animals :^)

Awake said:

No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.

The planes did not touch Building Seven.

Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
before it came down.

Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

I thought it was common knowledge that building 7 was demolished, it
was admitted to.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html

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No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.

Are you saying that "THEY" crashed the planes AND planted explosives to
bring down the towers?

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The planes did not touch Building Seven.

Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
before it came down.

I don't know about Building Seven. Tell me please.

Quoted message said:

Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

Did you notice that they didn't crash a plane into it?

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You never heard of Kristina Borjesson until now, so obviously that is not
a problem.

Good conspiracy logic.

Quoted message said:

Dead bodies can cause concern, especially when the
"news" media are discovered not reporting them.

Killing people is the last resort of a dictatorship in trouble.

Quoted message said:

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The book is widely available in libraries in America.
It is widely available because they understand that
Americans do not read such books and all avenues
for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
off.

Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

It works so much better when the book is available but they manage
to keep people from reading it anyway. This way they can claim that
"free speech" exists.

How do they do this? Is it always "out on loan"?

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Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
from.

Hey tech,....you've got to stop feeding the animals :^)

Yeah, I know. It only happened because I was paying tribute to Hunter S.
Thompson. I drank a quart of tequila, did some mescaline, heroin, and
adrenochrome, then got on the ng. I was so wasted I could only respond to
simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'

Noam Chomsky has very specific views (some of which I strongly disagree
with) but here I find myself in some agreement. However, he does insult
Churchill, perhaps unintentionally because he has a little understanding of
wartime Britain.

DAS

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- - -
"The operative concept of democracy is revealed very clearly in other
ways as well. Perhaps the most extraordinary was the distinction
between Old and New Europe in the run-up to the Iraq war. The criterion
for membership was so clear that it took real discipline to miss it. Old
Europe -the bad guys- were the governments that took the same stand
as the large majority of the population. New Europe -the exciting hope for
a democratic future- were the Churchillian leaders like Berlusconi and
Aznar who disregarded even larger majorities of the population and
submissively took their orders from Crawford, Texas. The most dramatic
case was Turkey, where, to everyone's surprise, the government actually
followed the will of 95 percent of the population. The official
administration
moderate, Colin Powell, immediately announced harsh punishment for this
crime. Turkey was bitterly condemned in the national press for lacking
'democratic credentials'. The most extreme example was Paul Wolfowitz,
who berated the Turkish military for not compelling the government to
follow
Washington's orders and demanded that they apologize and publicly
recognize
that the goal of a properly functioning democracy is to help the U.S."
- Noam Chomsky, Z-Magazine, Feb 2005

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Let me get this straight.

You are suggesting that the planes crashing into the twin towers and the
plane crashing into the Pentagon, and the plane crashing into a Pennsylvania
(I think that's where it was) field were not 'real' events? All a put-up
job by 'insiders'?

If so, I must say you make some good ones and some not so good ones...

DAS

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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, "tech27" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[..]

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No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.

The planes did not touch Building Seven.

Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
before it came down.

Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

[...]

Points, that is.

DAS

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Let me get this straight.

You are suggesting that the planes crashing into the twin towers and the
plane crashing into the Pentagon, and the plane crashing into a
Pennsylvania (I think that's where it was) field were not 'real' events?
All a put-up job by 'insiders'?

If so, I must say you make some good ones and some not so good ones...

DAS

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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, "tech27" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[..]

Quoted message said:

No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.

The planes did not touch Building Seven.

Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
before it came down.

Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

[...]

tech27 wrote:
I was so wasted I could only respond to

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simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'

I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...

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I was so wasted I could only respond to

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simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'

I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...

Which coincidentally is the same percentage as your "contributions" to the
group.