Street furniture, footpath furniture

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or other
public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use." But
shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Like those bollards to keep vans out of cycle paths, you mean?

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

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public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

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shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Street furniture should be called a 'bloody nuisance'. Motorists here
expect peds to keep to the pavements but they don't object to their
traffic signs and other vehicle [censored] cluttering peds pavements.

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

Quoted message said:

public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

Quoted message said:

shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Street furniture should be called a 'bloody nuisance'. Motorists here
expect peds to keep to the pavements but they don't object to their
traffic signs and other vehicle [censored] cluttering peds pavements.

Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles- you would have said motorists and cyclists,
otherwise, wouldn't you?

Nick Finnigan said:

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

Quoted message said:

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shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Like those bollards to keep vans out of cycle paths, you mean?

How about we swap then? Move all the car-related piping, tinplate and
pretty lights off the footpath into the area that belongs "exclusively"
to the cars?

Madmucks said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

Quoted message said:

public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

Quoted message said:

shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Street furniture should be called a 'bloody nuisance'. Motorists

here

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expect peds to keep to the pavements but they don't object to their
traffic signs and other vehicle [censored] cluttering peds pavements.

Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only

apply

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to motorists, and not to cycles- you would have said motorists and

cyclists,

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otherwise, wouldn't you?

Cyclists usually find sharing the road with pedestrians less annoying
than motorists do. Perhaps steet furniture is the motorist's selfless
way of impeding pavement cyclists. How thoughtful. Good show!

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Cyclists usually find sharing the road with pedestrians less annoying
than motorists do. Perhaps steet furniture is the motorist's selfless
way of impeding pavement cyclists. How thoughtful. Good show!

Pedestrians do mind sharing the pavement with cyclists and being buzzed by
them when crossing the road at pedestrian crossings. I wonder when was the
last time a cyclist was prosecuted for riding through a red light or cycling
on the pavement? I suppose it isn't politically correct to punish cyclists
for any offence as the government wants to encourage that mode of transport,
which is why anarchy has broken out on the streets and pavements.

Ian

Madmucks said:

Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles- you would have said motorists and cyclists,
otherwise, wouldn't you?

Well to a point. After all cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders
managed quite well without all those signs and still could I would bet.
The main reason they and all their associated laws had to be installed
was to stop motorists crashing into each other and killing themselves
and others. We cyclists just got caught as a consequence.

Tony

Ian said:

Pedestrians do mind sharing the pavement with cyclists and being buzzed by
them when crossing the road at pedestrian crossings. I wonder when was the
last time a cyclist was prosecuted for riding through a red light or cycling
on the pavement? I suppose it isn't politically correct to punish cyclists
for any offence as the government wants to encourage that mode of transport,
which is why anarchy has broken out on the streets and pavements.

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/5q6ly

Can't we have a couple of weeks off before the next crossposted thread?

Jon

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:09:48 -0000, "Madmucks"
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Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles

Most of them do. We have no need of the vast majority of warning
signs, for example, because we are moving at a speed which allows us
to perceive hazards in plenty of time to react to them. And some
order signs explicitly don't apply to us.

Guy
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:09:48 -0000, "Madmucks"
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Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles

Most of them do. We have no need of the vast majority of warning
signs, for example, because we are moving at a speed which allows us
to perceive hazards in plenty of time to react to them. And some
order signs explicitly don't apply to us.

Wouldn't make any difference to the average cyclist if they DID apply!!!

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Nick Finnigan said:

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Like those bollards to keep vans out of cycle paths, you mean?

How about we swap then? Move all the car-related piping, tinplate and
pretty lights off the footpath into the area that belongs
"exclusively" to the cars?

There is no area which belongs to cars - either exclusively or
otherwise. It all belongs to cyclists, pedestrians and horse-riders.
Car drivers are allowed to use it only if they have a license and
insurance.

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ian henden said:

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:09:48 -0000, "Madmucks"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

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Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles

Most of them do. We have no need of the vast majority of warning
signs, for example, because we are moving at a speed which allows us
to perceive hazards in plenty of time to react to them. And some
order signs explicitly don't apply to us.

Wouldn't make any difference to the average cyclist if they DID apply!!!

But it is interesting how many cyclists comply with rules compared to
bus drivers [1].

I had the misfortune to travel on both Stagecoach and Solent Blue Line
yesterday and both were driven by utter b*st*rds.

John B

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:48:11 GMT, "ian henden" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Obviously you are now admitting that in your oponion road signs only apply
to motorists, and not to cycles

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Most of them do. We have no need of the vast majority of warning
signs, for example, because we are moving at a speed which allows us
to perceive hazards in plenty of time to react to them. And some
order signs explicitly don't apply to us.

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Wouldn't make any difference to the average cyclist if they DID apply!!!

I refer the hon. gentleman to my earlier reply:
<url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/Bloody_cyclists>

I have just realised that this is not an orphan of the earlier
crosspost to urcm, but is instead x-posted to uk.tosspot. To the
bitbucket with it.

Guy
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"Jon Senior" wrote in message

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Ian said:

Pedestrians do mind sharing the pavement with cyclists and being buzzed
by them when crossing the road at pedestrian crossings. I wonder when was
the last time a cyclist was prosecuted for riding through a red light or
cycling on the pavement? I suppose it isn't politically correct to punish
cyclists for any offence as the government wants to encourage that mode
of transport, which is why anarchy has broken out on the streets and
pavements.

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/5q6ly

Can't we have a couple of weeks off before the next crossposted thread?

As the whole of this thread is cross posted and you have clipped the start
of my reply I guess I have touched a nerve somewhere. Another cyclist who
ignores all traffic regulations?

Ian

In message <[email hidden]>, JohnB <[email hidden]> writes

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But it is interesting how many cyclists comply with rules compared to
bus drivers [1].

I had the misfortune to travel on both Stagecoach and Solent Blue Line
yesterday and both were driven by utter b*st*rds.

Do I understand from your post, that the bus drivers didn't care about
cyclists who were stopping them from keeping to schedule.
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Clive Coleman said:

In message <[email hidden]>, JohnB <[email hidden]> writes

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But it is interesting how many cyclists comply with rules compared to
bus drivers [1].

I had the misfortune to travel on both Stagecoach and Solent Blue Line
yesterday and both were driven by utter b*st*rds.

Do I understand from your post, that the bus drivers didn't care about
cyclists who were stopping them from keeping to schedule.

They didn't care about keeping to the rules of the road - or to the
comfort and safety of their passengers.

And what schedule?
The SBL was 20 minutes late and that was just five miles from its start point.

John B

JohnB wrote:
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I had the misfortune to travel on both Stagecoach and Solent Blue Line
yesterday and both were driven by utter b*st*rds.

John B

Having spent over 6 months with Solent Blue Line, First and Stagecoach
as my main mode of transport last year, I can only agree.

In truth, they weren't too bad in dealing with cyclists - something I've
noticed with First[1] in particular when cycling. It was more traffic
lights and so on. Total disregard for lights and a plentiful application
of the rule of gross tonnage for general manoevres.

[1] I think First have woken up to cyclists since one of their drivers
killed one last year. Usual minimal fine and ban for the driver but
First handled it very well in that they sacked him despite a lot of
union pressure.

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Nick Finnigan said:

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Now I know that the footpath is, apparently, "the part of road or

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

public place that is constructed and laid out for pedestrian use."

But

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

shouldn't street furniture be called footpath furniture?

Like those bollards to keep vans out of cycle paths, you mean?

How about we swap then?

Swap what? I don't like cycling around bollards, but whoever put
them up would see no point in putting them other than on a cycle path.

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Move all the car-related piping, tinplate and pretty lights

There is no such stuff.

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off the footpath into the area that belongs "exclusively" to the cars?

There is no such area.

Nick Finnigan said:

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off the footpath into the area that belongs "exclusively" to the cars?

There is no such area.

There is; the outside lane of a motorway. As good a place as any to
dump it all ;-)

Tony