Orbea vs. Six13

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mario said:

Has anyone ridden the Orbea Lobular 100, Orbea Onix, or Cannondale Six13?
I'd like to know these compare to the other carbon and aluminium frames.
--Mario

I had a reasonably long test ride on a Cannondale Six13 last Summer. It
rode substantially like my late-80s steel Pinarello, except for being
about 7 pounds lighter. That made a difference.

Of course, my Pinarello has a carbon fork,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

Thanks Ryan. New tech replicates old tech, minus some weight. In this case 7
lb is substantial!
--Mario

"Ryan Cousineau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mario said:

Has anyone ridden the Orbea Lobular 100, Orbea Onix, or Cannondale Six13?
I'd like to know these compare to the other carbon and aluminium frames.
--Mario

I had a reasonably long test ride on a Cannondale Six13 last Summer. It
rode substantially like my late-80s steel Pinarello, except for being
about 7 pounds lighter. That made a difference.

Of course, my Pinarello has a carbon fork,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mario said:

Has anyone ridden the Orbea Lobular 100, Orbea Onix, or Cannondale Six13?
I'd like to know these compare to the other carbon and aluminium frames.
--Mario

I had a reasonably long test ride on a Cannondale Six13 last Summer. It
rode substantially like my late-80s steel Pinarello, except for being
about 7 pounds lighter.

Unless I'm mistaken, that'd be about as high as praise could get for a frame.

Ron

Ryan Cousineau said:

...
Honest and serious audiophiles do A-B-X tests,

The problem with A-B-X tests are well documented, as the stress of
trying to make the correct identification can influence the test to the
point it is meaningless.

Ideally, "black box" testing is what is needed, where only an alias of
the component is known, eliminating bias. Logistically, this is rather
difficult.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Illinois)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:30:13 -0800, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Honest and serious audiophiles do A-B-X tests,

No they don't,real audiophiles trust their ears.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Tom Sherman said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

...
Honest and serious audiophiles do A-B-X tests,

The problem with A-B-X tests are well documented, as the stress of
trying to make the correct identification can influence the test to the
point it is meaningless.

Ideally, "black box" testing is what is needed, where only an alias of
the component is known, eliminating bias. Logistically, this is rather
difficult.

I thought by hanging over here with the bikes I'd never have to read another ABX
thread. Finding that here is sorta like going to Audio Asylum and seeing some
orifice trying to argue about helmets.

Ron

Tom Sherman said:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

...
Honest and serious audiophiles do A-B-X tests,

Quoted message said:

The problem with A-B-X tests are well documented, as the stress of
trying to make the correct identification can influence the test to the
point it is meaningless.

They're well by people unfamiliar with the science or unwilling to
accept it. ABX testing of audio approaches the theoretical limits of
what we expect from anatomy and physiology, and gives similar results
to what other double-blind protocols give.

Quoted message said:

Ideally, "black box" testing is what is needed, where only an alias of
the component is known, eliminating bias. Logistically, this is rather
difficult.

Agreed... Blind testing of bicycles would be problematic, to say the
least. Especially since we all know that red bicycles go at least 5%
faster.

-alan

--
Alan Hoyle - [email hidden] - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.

ACtually it is a well documented fact that red bicycles are 20% faster
due to the decrease in Solar Friction. Everyone always forgets about
Solar Friction.

We also left out the most important peice of the discussion
Cdale 613- okay looking
Orbea lobular- Really really ugly.

ACtually it is a well documented fact that red bicycles are 20% faster
due to the decrease in Solar Friction. Everyone always forgets about
Solar Friction.

We also left out the most important peice of the discussion
Cdale 613- okay looking
Orbea lobular- Really really ugly.