Re: Vitamin E, heart disease and false logic...?

Look, if this study had been done with dl-alpha, critics would be
complaining it wasn't done with the ddd natural isomer. And since it
was done with the d,d,d, now they're complaining it wasn't done with
the proper "natural mix" of alpha, beta, gamma, and delta isomers
(whatever *that* is-- since it varies widely within different foods and
cultural food mixes, and the body can, and does, methylate the more
common natural gamma to more-needed and protein carrier specific
alpha).

And if the study *had* been done with a 4 isomer mix, the critics would
be complaining that the negative result and the health problems were
due to the fact that it wasn't done with the 4 isomer mix with
chocolate sauce and a blueberry on top. It never ends. If *that* had
been the protocol, the critics would pooh pooh it for omitting a
sprinkling of sesame seeds, rice tocotrienols, and a partridge in a
pear tree.

Look, you health-gurus. Call your shots BEFOREHAND. Don't spend decades
playing up people like the Shutes, and then when they are proven
totally wrong, claim you never heard of them, and certainly didn't
support their views. Sheesh.

SBH

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
:: Look, if this study had been done with dl-alpha, critics would be
:: complaining it wasn't done with the ddd natural isomer. And since it
:: was done with the d,d,d, now they're complaining it wasn't done with
:: the proper "natural mix" of alpha, beta, gamma, and delta isomers
:: (whatever *that* is-- since it varies widely within different foods
:: and cultural food mixes, and the body can, and does, methylate the
:: more common natural gamma to more-needed and protein carrier specific
:: alpha). [...]

AFAIK, many, perhaps most health benefits of dietary vitamin E are
associated with gamma-tocopherol. Why do they keep doing studies with
supplemental alpha-tocopherol and even worse, dl-alpha? It makes me
suspect that they want to get negative results.

--
Juhana

Please, enlighten me. Not all vitamin E supplements are created equal,
or the vitamin E in supplement form is not equivalent to that found in
natural food sources? Are you saying, one or the other or both? Maybe
neither?

Totally agree with you on that one.
One important exception though and it is one important one.
If it works then it doesn't matter. It is important to be critical of
studies but it is hard to argue with success especially if it is proven over
and over again.
Even if the logic does not go along with why it works or why it shouldn't
work. You can't argue with success.

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Quoted message said:

Look, if this study had been done with dl-alpha, critics would be
complaining it wasn't done with the ddd natural isomer. And since it
was done with the d,d,d, now they're complaining it wasn't done with
the proper "natural mix" of alpha, beta, gamma, and delta isomers
(whatever *that* is-- since it varies widely within different foods and
cultural food mixes, and the body can, and does, methylate the more
common natural gamma to more-needed and protein carrier specific
alpha).

And if the study *had* been done with a 4 isomer mix, the critics would
be complaining that the negative result and the health problems were
due to the fact that it wasn't done with the 4 isomer mix with
chocolate sauce and a blueberry on top. It never ends. If *that* had
been the protocol, the critics would pooh pooh it for omitting a
sprinkling of sesame seeds, rice tocotrienols, and a partridge in a
pear tree.

Look, you health-gurus. Call your shots BEFOREHAND. Don't spend decades
playing up people like the Shutes, and then when they are proven
totally wrong, claim you never heard of them, and certainly didn't
support their views. Sheesh.

SBH

Certainly the Shutes were proponents of vitamin E in all is
forms. They used very large doses in combination with
the Levine chair therapy. They were proponents of
of early ambulation of heart attack patients.
As I recall the standard of care in their day
was a months bed rest. The chair therapy involved
getting the patient in a position in which the legs
raised relative to the heart. They also have been
rather aggressive with the aspirin, but I reach on
this later point. While they advocated E as preventive,
they were using it in acute cases.

What has amused me through the years is that the Shutes
gave vitamin E with only the greatest care (low titrated dosed) in
congestive heart cases. And the opponents to the use
of vitamin E have referred to this view without
crediting the Shutes. Repeating the warning but
not citing the source. So it seems both
camps draw from the Shutes and forget them at
the same time.

At 6 ounces of wine with rice
and squash and pickled bell peppers
in the belly..........JQ

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Quoted message said:

Look, if this study had been done with dl-alpha, critics would be
complaining it wasn't done with the ddd natural isomer. And since it
was done with the d,d,d, now they're complaining it wasn't done with
the proper "natural mix" of alpha, beta, gamma, and delta isomers
(whatever *that* is-- since it varies widely within different foods and
cultural food mixes, and the body can, and does, methylate the more
common natural gamma to more-needed and protein carrier specific
alpha).

And if the study *had* been done with a 4 isomer mix, the critics would
be complaining that the negative result and the health problems were
due to the fact that it wasn't done with the 4 isomer mix with
chocolate sauce and a blueberry on top. It never ends. If *that* had
been the protocol, the critics would pooh pooh it for omitting a
sprinkling of sesame seeds, rice tocotrienols, and a partridge in a
pear tree.

Look, you health-gurus. Call your shots BEFOREHAND. Don't spend decades
playing up people like the Shutes, and then when they are proven
totally wrong, claim you never heard of them, and certainly didn't
support their views. Sheesh.

SBH