speeding ticket

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Fritz M <[email hidden]+> wrote:

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How are you healing up?

My neck and shoulders are still really sore, and I'm still a little punch drunk (like anyone would
notice the difference...).

How about the mental part? The fear of cars and of something like that happening again. In my case,
that took longer than the physical stuff.

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(Steven M. O'Neill) said:

kingsley <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Wonder what happens if they pull over a tandem?! Do both people get a ticket?

Yeah, and what about a human-powered bus?

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Are those freewheels on the shaft? I see serious safety issues, given normal-style pedals, in not
having individual freewheels. Think what would happen if someone slipped off the pedals (given that
they're going to a brewery and back -- with free beer tasting, no doubt -- hardly an unlikely
occurrence) and the pedals didn't coast, but were still powered by 31 humans *and* 2.5 metric tonnes
of weight moving at 20 kph.

On a similar note: fietscafe.nlfietscafe.nlOpen ↗

A human powered bar on wheels.

Jasper

(Pete Hickey) said:

In article said:

Fritz M <[email hidden]+> wrote:

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How are you healing up?

My neck and shoulders are still really sore, and I'm still a little punch drunk (like anyone would
notice the difference...).

How about the mental part? The fear of cars and of something like that happening again. In my case,
that took longer than the physical stuff.

I was worried about that as well. Got a chance to test it out on the first ride after the crash. A
young stud in a Camaro with his woman started to turn into me at an intersection in downtown Tempe.
I didn't freak out at all - just got ready to brake and glared at him.

I think I might be a bit more aware of the potential for a car squirting through stopped traffic now
- but I haven't noticed anything else "feeling different" (other than due to the fitness I lose
being off the bike for a while).

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Steven M. O'Neill <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Ben Pfaff <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>[email hidden] (Tom Keats) writes:
:>
:>> Actually, if one was so inclined, it's quite easy for a rider to speed through a school or
:>> playground zone with a speed limit of 30 Km/h (20 MPH).
:>>
:>> I've noted how many drivers will step on the gas just to get past a rider who is doing the speed
:>> limit in a school zone. And I've also noted how many riders ignore those speed limits.
:>
:>It is difficult to observe speed limits, even if you want to, when you don't have a bike computer.
:>I know that I only carry my bike computer on recreational rides. Since the majority of my rides
:>are utility rides, this means I don't have it very often.

: It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle can
: do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much much
: less damage at any given speed.

Well, I think it's a total safety thing. I've only been speeding once, I was doing 36.4 in a 35... I
know, not much over the limit, but it was the fasted I had ever ridden.

Safetywise, I don't think I'd go that fast again (I was on a rural highway going downhill) but I did
jump at the chance at the time. When I looked at my bike computer I suddenly realized any wrong
move, and it was gonna hurt big.. I was wearing a helmet, but that wouldn't have helped much at that
speed I don't think.

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Steven M. O'Neill <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Ben Pfaff <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>[email hidden] (Tom Keats) writes:
:>
:>> Actually, if one was so inclined, it's quite easy for a rider to speed through a school or
:>> playground zone with a speed limit of 30 Km/h (20 MPH).
:>> :>> I've noted how many drivers will step on the gas just to get
:>> past a rider who is doing the speed limit in a school zone. And I've also noted how many
:>> riders ignore those speed limits.
:>
:>It is difficult to observe speed limits, even if you want to, when you don't have a bike
:>computer. I know that I only carry my bike computer on recreational rides. Since the majority of
:>my rides are utility rides, this means I don't have it very often.

: It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle can
: do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much much
: less damage at any given speed.

Well, I think it's a total safety thing. I've only been speeding once, I was doing 36.4 in a 35...
I know, not much over the limit, but it was the fasted I had ever ridden.

Safetywise, I don't think I'd go that fast again (I was on a rural highway going downhill) but I
did jump at the chance at the time. When I looked at my bike computer I suddenly realized any
wrong move, and it was gonna hurt big.. I was wearing a helmet, but that wouldn't have helped much
at that speed I don't think.

It depends on where you ride. In AZ, I rarely if ever broke the speed limit, as the speed limits
were higher (I rode roads with 45+ mph speed limits) and it was primarily plat. In CT, it's a
different story. Today, I hit 46 mph going downhill (as measured by "highest speed" on my
speedometer). The speed limit -- I believe -- is 35 mph in that area (and it might actually be 25!).
So, I was going faster than the speed limit. But it's a lightly traveled road (at least at 6:30 am
it is), and cars are going way faster than I am. For instance, on another downhill, I paced a truck
in front of me for a while, but as soon as it became flat, he took off. I believe I was speeding at
that time, too, but I tend not to look down often.

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Chicago Paddling-Fishing said:

Steven M. O'Neill <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Ben Pfaff <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>[email hidden] (Tom Keats) writes:
:>
:>> Actually, if one was so inclined, it's quite easy for a rider to speed through a school or
:>> playground zone with a speed limit of 30 Km/h (20 MPH).
:>> :>> I've noted how many drivers will step on the gas just to get
:>> past a rider who is doing the speed limit in a school zone. And I've also noted how many
:>> riders ignore those speed limits.
:>
:>It is difficult to observe speed limits, even if you want to, when you don't have a bike
:>computer. I know that I only carry my bike computer on recreational rides. Since the majority
:>of my rides are utility rides, this means I don't have it very often.

: It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle
: can do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much
: much less damage at any given speed.

Well, I think it's a total safety thing. I've only been speeding once, I was doing 36.4 in a
35... I know, not much over the limit, but it was

the

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fasted I had ever ridden.

Safetywise, I don't think I'd go that fast again (I was on a rural highway going downhill) but I
did jump at the chance at the time. When I looked at my bike computer I suddenly realized any
wrong move, and it was gonna hurt big.. I was wearing a helmet, but that wouldn't have helped
much at that speed I don't think.

It depends on where you ride. In AZ, I rarely if ever broke the speed limit, as the speed limits
were higher (I rode roads with 45+ mph speed limits) and it was primarily plat. In CT, it's a
different story. Today, I hit 46 mph going downhill (as measured by "highest speed" on my
speedometer). The speed limit -- I believe -- is 35 mph in that area (and it might actually be
25!). So, I was going faster than the speed limit. But it's a lightly traveled road (at least at
6:30 am it is), and cars are going way faster than I am. For instance, on another downhill, I
paced a truck in front of me for a while, but as soon as it became flat, he took off. I believe I
was speeding at that time, too, but I tend not to look down often.

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Bob M in CT Remove 'x.' to reply

46mph? That's fast. What are you riding?

Hmmm. Interesting discussion. Keep in mind that the most likely place to get a bicycle speeding
ticket in NYC is on the roadways of Central Park. There is a specific bicycle limit that is fairly
low (something like 25mph) and is meant to protect the joggers/bladers/little old ladies crossing
the street.

(salmoneous) said:

Hmmm. Interesting discussion. Keep in mind that the most likely place to get a bicycle speeding
ticket in NYC is on the roadways of Central Park. There is a specific bicycle limit that is fairly
low (something like 25mph) and is meant to protect the joggers/bladers/little old ladies crossing
the street.

I think it's 15mph (24km/h). 25mph would be way out of line for Central Park most of the time.

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(salmoneous) said:

Hmmm. Interesting discussion. Keep in mind that the most likely place to get a bicycle speeding
ticket in NYC is on the roadways of Central Park. There is a specific bicycle limit that is
fairly low (something like 25mph) and is meant to protect the joggers/bladers/little old ladies
crossing the street.

I think it's 15mph (24km/h). 25mph would be way out of line for Central Park most of the time.

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The speed limit in Central Park is, in fact, 15mph. See here:
transalt.orgsidebar.htmlOpen ↗

In 4 years of riding in the Park I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a ticket. Group
rides in the evenings (when the Park is closed to automobile traffic) exceed the limit by a
considerable margin.

Don

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(wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX) said:

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I think it's 15mph (24km/h). 25mph would be way out of line for Central Park most of the time.

Forgive me for appearing a thicko, but, considering bikes don't come with *accurate* speedometers
attached (at least they don't in the UK, and I am making an assumption about the States), how on
earth is a cyclist supposed to tell if he or she is cycling above a particular speed limit? It
seems illogical to have a pedal cycle speed restricted in that way.

Speed limits for all vehicles are, (quick, think of the legal term) uh, "statutory"(?) offenses.
That is, the prosecutor does not have to prove intent on the part of the vehicle operator to exceed
the speed.

You are always responsible for the speed and operation of your vehicle, be it a bicycle, a vintage
vehicle with no speedometer (such as my father's 1958 AJS), or a Toyota.

In most cases this doesn't come up, because the cops don't regard most cyclists as speed hazards.

A cycle computer, properly calibrated, is generally more accurate than a car speedometer.

Most governments have given cyclists the freedom to not equip speedometers and the responsibility to
stay within speed limits. Please do not start a campaign to change this, as the likely change will
be mandatory speedometers! And lights, and fenders....

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Over here in the UK, speed limits do not apply to pedal cycles. You can be done for "pedalling
furiously" or is it, "furious pedalling" whatever, but *not* for speeding.

Bicycle speeding is rarely taken seriously over here, mainly because most cyclists restrict their
speeding to occasional bursts over 30 km/h in a school zone or over 50 on fast descents. In most
cases, they will still be slower than prevailing traffic.

As for the example of the UK, that's another way of enforcing the limit, but I assure you that the
net effect is similar.

Able to violate almost every speed limit on my commute (can't hit 60 km/h on the nearly
flat highway),
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Ryan Cousineau said:

Most governments have given cyclists the freedom to not equip speedometers and the responsibility
to stay within speed limits. Please do not start a campaign to change this, as the likely change
will be mandatory speedometers! And lights, and fenders....

Mandatory lighting would be a great idea, at the very least for any bike riding in darkness.

Jasper

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX) said:

Quoted message said:

Most governments have given cyclists the freedom to not equip speedometers and the responsibility
to stay within speed limits. Please do not start a campaign to change this, as the likely change
will be mandatory speedometers! And lights, and fenders....

"most .. have given them the freedom"??? here's me thinking bikes without speedos have been around
a lot longer than most governments ;-)

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As for the example of the UK, that's another way of enforcing the limit, but I assure you that
the net effect is similar.

As I'm in the UK, I can assure you that the number of cyclists being done for "speeding" is
vanishingly small, so the net effect isn't similar :-)

Net effect being that there are virtually no speeding tickets being issued to cyclists, I assure you
the effect is quite similar on both sides of the pond.

In Vancouver, they occasionally bust you for not having a bell,
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In article said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Most governments have given cyclists the freedom to not equip speedometers and the responsibility
to stay within speed limits. Please do not start a campaign to change this, as the likely change
will be mandatory speedometers! And lights, and fenders....

Mandatory lighting would be a great idea, at the very least for any bike riding in darkness.

Jasper

Well, I don't know about the UK, but it is mandatory to have lights if you're riding in the dark
here. It's just not mandatory to have lights period, and this is one thing that comes up fairly
often, since reflectors are mandatory on new bikes, but are clearly just a fig leaf so that everyone
can pretend that either bikes don't get ridden at night or that including a cheapo light on every
bike would just be more expense saddling those of us who do ride at night with a useless light as
well as not-very-useful reflectors.

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Ryan Cousineau said:

Well, I don't know about the UK, but it is mandatory to have lights if you're riding in the dark
here. It's just not mandatory to have lights period, and this is one thing that comes up fairly
often, since reflectors are mandatory on new bikes, but are clearly just a fig leaf so that
everyone can pretend that either bikes don't get ridden at night or that including a cheapo light
on every bike would just be more expense saddling those of us who do ride at night with a useless
light as well as not-very-useful reflectors.

A light kit with front and rear lights and a bottle generator plus mounting hardware and wires
*retails* for 6 or so bucks. On the price of a bike, $1-2 wholesale of hardware really shouldn't be
that big an issue.

Jasper

Don Belfer said:

The speed limit in Central Park is, in fact, 15mph. See here:
transalt.orgsidebar.htmlOpen ↗

In 4 years of riding in the Park I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a ticket. Group
rides in the evenings (when the Park is closed to automobile traffic) exceed the limit by a
considerable margin.

What's a bigger problem is cyclists not obeying the pedestrian crossing lights on the loop roads. It
can be *very* scary crossing the road with hundreds of bikes whizzing past. And I've seen more
bike-ped collisions on the Central Park roads than I have anywhere else in NYC or elsewhere.

Olmstead designed grade-separated pedestrian, horseback, and horse-and-carriage roads for a reason.

-Apr

It's not so much the speeding tickets but the tickets for going through lights that have been given
to me on several occasions. I've also been ticketed for biking in Washington Square Park at 7:30 AM
on a cold winter morning. Guess there bike tickets are built into the cost of living in NYC.

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victor

victor said:

It's not so much the speeding tickets but the tickets for going through lights that have been given
to me on several occasions. I've also been ticketed for biking in Washington Square Park at 7:30 AM
on a cold winter morning. Guess there bike tickets are built into the cost of living in NYC.

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victor

Tickets of every sort are built into NYC budget now.

Earl Camembert said:

victor said:

It's not so much the speeding tickets but the tickets for going through lights that have been
given to me on several occasions. I've also been ticketed for biking in Washington Square Park
at 7:30 AM on a cold winter morning. Guess there bike tickets are built into the cost of living
in NYC.

Tickets of every sort are built into NYC budget now.

I never got a ticket riding in NYC, but then, I'm a boring vehicular cyclist. Under normal
circumstances, it wouldn't occur to me to ride through Washington Square Park. I've run a light or
two (though usually I don't), but if I were caught, of course I'd get a ticket.

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Earl Camembert said:

"victor" <[email hidden]> wrote: I've also been

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ticketed for biking in Washington Square Park at 7:30 AM on a cold winter morning. Guess there
bike tickets are built into the cost of living in NYC.

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Under normal circumstances, it wouldn't occur to me to ride through Washington Square Park.

Could you please enlighten a non-New Yaw-w-w-wkah: Why don't the powers-that-be permit or wish one
to bicycle this park in particular? Or parks in general??

Granted my experience is quaintly provincial but I've never seen a park-posted as off-limits to
bikes. Some hiking trails or wildlife preservation areas, yes - but not urban parks.

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"zeldabee" <[email hidden]> wrote...

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Earl Camembert said:

"victor" <[email hidden]> wrote: I've also been
>ticketed for biking in Washington Square Park at 7:30 AM on a cold winter morning. Guess
>there bike tickets are built into the cost of living in NYC.

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Under normal circumstances, it wouldn't occur to me to ride through Washington Square Park.

Could you please enlighten a non-New Yaw-w-w-wkah: Why don't the powers-that-be permit or wish
one to bicycle this park in particular? Or parks in general??

There's no place for people to ride there. It's a small park, and is full of peds day and night.
People sit around on benches, or mill around watching buskers and whatnot.

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Granted my experience is quaintly provincial but I've never seen a park-posted as off-limits to
bikes. Some hiking trails or wildlife preservation areas, yes - but not urban parks.

Actually, your question puzzles me. Larger parks, like Central and Prospect Parks, have bike paths.
Why would you want to ride around in a dinky, crowded little park? It would take about 30 seconds to
get from one end to the other...assuming you didn't run down a ped on the way. Little children, I
can see...

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