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  1. Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    New obesity link to diabetes

    Health group Diabetes UK says people who are obese are up to 80 times more
    likely to develop diabetes.

    In Britain, which has the fastest growing rate of obesity in the developed
    world, one in five adults has a serious weight problem.

    Obesity is not the only risk factor for diabetes, but Diabetes UK says that
    people who have a body mass index (BMI) of more than 30 are 10 times more
    likely to develop the illness.

    If their BMI is above 35 for 10 years, the risk increases to 80 times
    compared to a person of average weight.

    "These figures show the shocking extent to which obesity increases the risk
    of diabetes," Diabetes UK chief executive Douglas Smallwood said.

    "Diabetes can lead to serious complications such as heart disease, stroke
    and blindness," he said.

    "In short, obesity can take years off people's lives."

    Scientists use the BMI, calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by
    height in metres squared, to measure weight and obesity.

    A BMI of 30 or more is considered obese.

    In the last 22 years, obesity in Britain has nearly trebled in adult women
    and almost quadrupled in men.

    The rise is fuelling an increase in diabetes, which experts predict will
    affect 3 million people in Britain by 2010.

    Diabetes is a chronic illness caused by a deficiency or lack of insulin.

    The hormone produced by the pancreas helps glucose, or sugar, from food get
    into cells.

    About 90 per cent of type 2, or adult onset diabetes, is linked to being
    overweight or obese.

    Mr Smallwood says the onset of diabetes could be delayed or prevented if
    overweight and obese people make lifestyle changes and lose weight.

    "It's a problem that must be tackled now," he said.

    - Reuters

  2. Actually, it's a lot stupid.

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    Cheri

    Ignoramus28076 wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    The causation between diabetes and obesity is not a one way street.
    Diabetics become fat because of developing early stages of
    diabetes. In turn, eating too much causes faster development of
    diabetes. To say that diabetes develops because of bad moral qualities
    of diabetics is a little bit stupid.

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  4. On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:51:29 -0600, Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>

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    If you cared so much for humanity why sign in to gmail with an
    anonymous remailer?

    For that alone you are an idiot.

    LV

    Because of unprincipled trolls such as yourself, Bobbie Sanchez, some
    posters are wisely hiding their real email address from you and your
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    On 20 Mar 2005 17:10:14 -0000, [email hidden] (Terry) wrote:

    If you cared so much for humanity why sign in to gmail with an
    anonymous remailer?

    Because of cyberstalkers like *you*. From The Official Lady Veteran FAQ
    v0.91 :

    13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree
    with her?

    Yes. As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private investigator
    $500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who was besting her
    with their every encounter. LV later took things to real life with Jim
    Dutton and contacted his employer. LV's mission is to take things to real
    life with anyone who disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person
    down.

    Quoted message said:


    For that alone you are very wise to avoid cyberstalkers like me.

    I agree.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Terry) said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    New obesity link to diabetes

    Health group Diabetes UK says people who are obese are up to 80 times more
    likely to develop diabetes.

    No surprise, since weight gain is a symptom of insulin resistance. I do
    think they need to be more careful about not making assumptions when
    they differ between correlation and causation, though. Or are they? ;-)

    Priscilla
    --
    "You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
    certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

  7. "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    it's not weight per se, but the items eaten to get overweight. i'd bet
    that if someone got fat eating fatty meat instead of carbs, they wouldn't be
    diabetic since meat and fat don't cause the blood sugar rise that carbs do.
    the real culprit is the cheap access to crappy carbs, esp high fructose corn
    syrup (found in just about everything). if carbs were expensive and meat
    wasn't, there'd be no diabetes. but there would be lots of gout. the
    emphasis on more carbs and less fat in the diet is one of the reasons this
    problem is exploding.

  8. What a crock of [censored].

    --
    Cheri

    AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    it's not weight per se, but the items eaten to get overweight. i'd


    bet

    Quoted message said:

    that if someone got fat eating fatty meat instead of carbs, they


    wouldn't be

    Quoted message said:

    diabetic since meat and fat don't cause the blood sugar rise that carbs


    do.

    Quoted message said:

    the real culprit is the cheap access to crappy carbs, esp high fructose


    corn

    Quoted message said:

    syrup (found in just about everything). if carbs were expensive and


    meat

    Quoted message said:

    wasn't, there'd be no diabetes. but there would be lots of gout.


    the

    Quoted message said:

    emphasis on more carbs and less fat in the diet is one of the reasons


    this

    Quoted message said:

    problem is exploding.

  9. Could it be that diabetes and obesity have the same cause: carbs?

    "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    New obesity link to diabetes

    Health group Diabetes UK says people who are obese are up to 80 times more
    likely to develop diabetes.

    In Britain, which has the fastest growing rate of obesity in the developed
    world, one in five adults has a serious weight problem.

    Obesity is not the only risk factor for diabetes, but Diabetes UK says


    that

    Quoted message said:

    people who have a body mass index (BMI) of more than 30 are 10 times more
    likely to develop the illness.

    If their BMI is above 35 for 10 years, the risk increases to 80 times
    compared to a person of average weight.

    "These figures show the shocking extent to which obesity increases the


    risk

    Quoted message said:

    of diabetes," Diabetes UK chief executive Douglas Smallwood said.

    "Diabetes can lead to serious complications such as heart disease, stroke
    and blindness," he said.

    "In short, obesity can take years off people's lives."

    Scientists use the BMI, calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by
    height in metres squared, to measure weight and obesity.

    A BMI of 30 or more is considered obese.

    In the last 22 years, obesity in Britain has nearly trebled in adult women
    and almost quadrupled in men.

    The rise is fuelling an increase in diabetes, which experts predict will
    affect 3 million people in Britain by 2010.

    Diabetes is a chronic illness caused by a deficiency or lack of insulin.

    The hormone produced by the pancreas helps glucose, or sugar, from food


    get

    Quoted message said:

    into cells.

    About 90 per cent of type 2, or adult onset diabetes, is linked to being
    overweight or obese.

    Mr Smallwood says the onset of diabetes could be delayed or prevented if
    overweight and obese people make lifestyle changes and lose weight.

    "It's a problem that must be tackled now," he said.

    - Reuters

  10. "Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : What a crock of [censored].
    :

    LOL you put [censored] in your crock pot?
    dang Cheri... you are the ultimate chef! ;-)

    RK

    : --
    : Cheri
    :
    : AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote in message ...
    : >
    : >"Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : >news:[email hidden]...
    : >> Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)
    : >>
    : >
    : >it's not weight per se, but the items eaten to get overweight. i'd
    : bet
    : >that if someone got fat eating fatty meat instead of carbs, they
    : wouldn't be
    : >diabetic since meat and fat don't cause the blood sugar rise that carbs
    : do.
    : >the real culprit is the cheap access to crappy carbs, esp high fructose
    : corn
    : >syrup (found in just about everything). if carbs were expensive and
    : meat
    : >wasn't, there'd be no diabetes. but there would be lots of gout.
    : the
    : >emphasis on more carbs and less fat in the diet is one of the reasons
    : this
    : >problem is exploding.
    : >
    : >
    :
    :

  11. Yes. Bingo. I should have read your post before making my own.

    "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    it's not weight per se, but the items eaten to get overweight. i'd bet
    that if someone got fat eating fatty meat instead of carbs, they wouldn't


    be

    Quoted message said:

    diabetic since meat and fat don't cause the blood sugar rise that carbs


    do.

    Quoted message said:

    the real culprit is the cheap access to crappy carbs, esp high fructose


    corn

    Quoted message said:

    syrup (found in just about everything). if carbs were expensive and meat
    wasn't, there'd be no diabetes. but there would be lots of gout. the
    emphasis on more carbs and less fat in the diet is one of the reasons this
    problem is exploding.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Cubit said:

    Could it be that diabetes and obesity have the same cause: carbs?

    Well, no, because the cause of diabetes is the diabetes gene.

    Priscilla
    --
    "You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
    certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

  13. "Priscilla Ballou" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : In article <[email hidden]>,
    : "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : > Could it be that diabetes and obesity have the same cause: carbs?
    :
    : Well, no, because the cause of diabetes is the diabetes gene.
    :
    : Priscilla
    : --

    and which exact gene would that be?

    I don't believe it's a gene at all. I believe many factors are to blame.
    my 17yr old has been tested for any and all diabetic antibodies granted
    thats for a T1.

    NO one on either sides of our family has Diabetes, Type 1 other then me
    nor Type 2. So, then what is making her have higher postprandal numbers?
    Incidentally, she's got hashi's and now tops the scale at close to 238lbs
    being only 5'7. Until she gained so much weight she had very low numbers.

    I believe they run hand in hand.

    RK, t1

  14. On 20 Mar 2005 17:28:54 GMT, Ignoramus28076
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    |To say that diabetes develops because of bad moral qualities
    |of diabetics is a little bit stupid.

    I just re-read the article twice. Darned if I can find the bit you're
    referring to. Where did it say that?

    I agree about the reciprocal inter-relationship between diabetes and
    obesity; however, there is overwhelming evidence now that obese
    perople who chose their parents unwisely are far more likely to move
    from incipient diabetes or pre-diabetes to the full version.

    Whether the diabetes was a factor in the obesity is not terribly
    relevant to me - lifestyle and discipline (or lack of it) was a much
    more significant factor.

    I obviously had the genes for Type 2. I got fat. I got away with it
    for decades, but eventually I developed type 2. I have no illusions -
    the genes may have led me towards obesity, but I was the one who chose
    to eat what I wished, live as I wished and not exercise regularly. My
    sister chose a different path of prudent diet and exercise all her
    life, and I doubt she'll get it in my lifetime. My brother is likely
    to join me.

    I don't have any guilt about getting fat; nor do I try to justify it.
    I made some bad past lifestyle choices, now I try to make some better
    ones.

    There seems to be a massive chip on some shoulders on these groups.
    Some very well-padded, well-rounded shoulders.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  15. On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:01:30 -0800, "Cheri"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    |What a crock of [censored].

    Beautifully and accurately put.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  16. "Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What a crock of [censored].

    this is how i cured my diabetes. perhaps you'd like to share the way you
    cured yours?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Cheri

    AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Last Update: Saturday, March 19, 2005. 1:14am (AEDT)

    it's not weight per se, but the items eaten to get overweight. i'd


    bet

    Quoted message said:

    that if someone got fat eating fatty meat instead of carbs, they


    wouldn't be

    Quoted message said:

    diabetic since meat and fat don't cause the blood sugar rise that carbs


    do.

    Quoted message said:

    the real culprit is the cheap access to crappy carbs, esp high fructose


    corn

    Quoted message said:

    syrup (found in just about everything). if carbs were expensive and


    meat

    Quoted message said:

    wasn't, there'd be no diabetes. but there would be lots of gout.


    the

    Quoted message said:

    emphasis on more carbs and less fat in the diet is one of the reasons


    this

    Quoted message said:

    problem is exploding.

  17. "Alan S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:01:30 -0800, "Cheri"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    |What a crock of [censored].

    Beautifully and accurately put.

    you'd like to share the way you cured your diabetes like i did?

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  18. "RK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Priscilla Ballou" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : In article <[email hidden]>,
    : "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : > Could it be that diabetes and obesity have the same cause: carbs?
    :
    : Well, no, because the cause of diabetes is the diabetes gene.
    :
    : Priscilla
    : --

    and which exact gene would that be?

    I don't believe it's a gene at all. I believe many factors are to blame.
    my 17yr old has been tested for any and all diabetic antibodies granted
    thats for a T1.

    NO one on either sides of our family has Diabetes, Type 1 other then me
    nor Type 2. So, then what is making her have higher postprandal numbers?
    Incidentally, she's got hashi's and now tops the scale at close to 238lbs
    being only 5'7. Until she gained so much weight she had very low numbers.

    I believe they run hand in hand.

    RK, t1

    what was her eating like all her past life? insulin resistance causes
    weight gain. eating too much crappy carbs causes your bG to spike quickly.
    eventually you develop insulin resistance, and when you get that, you're on
    your way to t2 unless you make some drastic dietary changes.

  19. "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    "Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What a crock of [censored].

    this is how i cured my diabetes. perhaps you'd like to share the way
    you cured yours?

    Sounds better than the direction my wife went. That stomach-clipping
    surgery. Definetly not something Id recommend.

    Gandalf Parker

  20. It's not possible to cure diabetes, only to control it, so your cure is
    a crock of [censored] too.

    --
    Cheri

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    "Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What a crock of [censored].

    this is how i cured my diabetes. perhaps you'd like to share the way


    you

    Quoted message said:

    cured yours?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Cheri

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