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  1. Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm 99%
    sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon is.
    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    This injury is most likely from accumulated high mileage on asphalt over
    the past 2 months. From what I understand, it is similar to shin splints,
    but the pain is on the front of the ankle, rather than higher up on the
    shins. I found a site that sells an ebook called "The Pain-Free Runner."
    at http://tinyurl.com/49bno. In it they describe a self deep tissue
    massage technique (see below). Has anyone tried this and had any luck
    with it? Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    The following is from
    http://www.julstro.com/last_months_hint6.html

    Quoted message said:

    The Julstro self-treatment for this condition is to lie down on the
    bed or floor. Have your lower leg exposed, and remove any socks you
    are wearing.

    Demonstrated on the right leg (see figure below): Take the heel of
    your left foot and place it just to the outside of the shinbone, all
    the way up near the knee. Now, apply pressure by pressing down on your
    left heel and DEEPLY slide down the right leg, and over the ankle.
    Press your heel all the way to the top of your foot. If you feel any
    pain at any point you have found a spasm in the muscle. STOP and put
    sustained pressure on the point. Do this several (8-10) times, trying
    to increase the pressure with each pass.

    As you are pressing down onto it, stretch it toward the foot. As you
    lengthen the muscle fibers you are relieving the tension from the
    tendons, you are also drawing fresh blood into the muscle, and you are
    pressing the fibers back down onto the bone.

    Since this can be a painful area, only use enough pressure to work the
    muscle, but still be tolerable. The chances are that you will not get
    this muscle to be pain-free after just one treatment, although the
    pain in the ankle should lessen with the first treatment. Do it for
    several days in a row.

    Phil M.

    --
    "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John
    Short, South African coach.

  2. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm 99%
    sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon is.
    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    This injury is most likely from accumulated high mileage on asphalt over
    the past 2 months. From what I understand, it is similar to shin splints,
    but the pain is on the front of the ankle, rather than higher up on the
    shins. I found a site that sells an ebook called "The Pain-Free Runner."
    at http://tinyurl.com/49bno. In it they describe a self deep tissue
    massage technique (see below). Has anyone tried this and had any luck
    with it? Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    The following is from
    http://www.julstro.com/last_months_hint6.html

    <description snipped>

    I used to do this when my shins hurt and still do if I feel the occasional
    twinge.
    The other thing I used to do that was helpful was contrast heat and cold,
    using ice and and a towel soaked in hot water.
    I don't know about your particular version of this ailment versus standard
    shin pain but strengthening exercises helped me as shin splints are thought
    to be a result of a muscular imbalance.

    http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0161.htm

    Quoted message said:

    Phil M.

    --
    "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John
    Short, South African coach.

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    In article <[email hidden]>, Phil M.

    Quoted message said:

    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm 99%
    sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon is.
    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    This injury is most likely from accumulated high mileage on asphalt over
    the past 2 months. From what I understand, it is similar to shin splints,
    but the pain is on the front of the ankle, rather than higher up on the
    shins. I found a site that sells an ebook called "The Pain-Free Runner."
    at http://tinyurl.com/49bno. In it they describe a self deep tissue
    massage technique (see below). Has anyone tried this and had any luck
    with it? Any other suggestions? Thanks.


    .......snip-----

    Phil,

    This is what I would try:

    (Assumption for description sake is right shin)

    Sitting on edge of a chair. Right calf is crossed and resting on left
    knee so I can grab the shin with my left hand first. Base of left palm
    rests on shin bone so left fingertips are resting on belly of anterior
    tib. Base of right palm is on top of left fingertips and right fingers
    are holding onto left knuckles for creating leverage a la nut cracker.

    An exercise I have people do is grab the right shin with the left hand
    so that the finger tips are in the middle of the shin muscle. With the
    right hand grab from the other side so the right hand rest on top of
    the left hand.

    Point the toe up. The shin mucles can be felt tightening. As the foot
    is relaxed and started to point down, I push in with the fingers into
    the shin like a nut cracker. Do it a number of times with the idea
    that it's getting the shin muscle to relax.

    Once fingers push in as foot relaxes pointing down, you'll feel the
    shin muscle not letting go. Once I push in with the fingers of my nut
    cracker grip, when I point the toe back up slowly, I don't left the
    grip of the fingers go completely so that I can feel the anterior tib
    contract into the fingers. I hold it for a count of 4 or 5 and then
    again let the right foot relax and as the anterior tib relaxes I
    following in with my left fingers.

    I would imagine that you're feeling it in the tendon area as the
    anterior tib stays semi contracted and the stress is passed onto it
    tendon.

    Also during the day, check that when standing you're relaxing your
    toes. Stand so you can wiggle your toes to take unnecessary tension of
    of the shin/calf muscles.

    Remember also that if you get tired and you start looking down even
    more, the weight of the head throws your center off more and your toes
    are digging into the ground. Stand up and lean forward from the ankle
    and you'll see what I mean about the toes clawing to keep you from
    falling forward.

    Last piece of information is that the problem is your other leg and
    that you're not bringing it up fast enough so you're slightly
    overstriding and the pained leg. So it's bringing the other leg up a
    little quicker to counterbalance the landing on the troubled shin.

    Also do the rolling of the calf as in http://www.mindfulness.of1.asp
    because if the calf's soleus or gastro are too tight, the anterior tib
    is having to pull up against a semi contracted calf muscle and you're
    getting what you have from that.

    Let us know if any of this helps.

    In health and on the run,

    Ozzie Gontang
    [email hidden]
    Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html
    Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975

    Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

  4. You joggers will find any excuse to do "self deep tissue massages".
    Personally, I don't feel the need to create situations that call for
    self exploration, in the name of pain therapy.

  5. Phil M. wrote:
    <snip>

    http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info.html

    This site should have what you are looking for. It should detail rehab
    exercises and information to guide your recovery.

    Andy

  6. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
    23 Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:


    Phil M. wrote:
    <snip>

    http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info.html

    This site should have what you are looking for. It should detail rehab
    exercises and information to guide your recovery.

    Andy

    Thanks Andy. I didn't see anything on that site specifically about my
    issue, but there was some good information there.

    Phil M.

  7. Phil M. said:

    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm


    99%

    Quoted message said:

    sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon


    is.

    Quoted message said:

    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    This injury is most likely from accumulated high mileage on asphalt


    over

    Quoted message said:

    the past 2 months. From what I understand, it is similar to shin


    splints,

    Quoted message said:

    but the pain is on the front of the ankle, rather than higher up on


    the

    Quoted message said:

    shins. I found a site that sells an ebook called "The Pain-Free


    Runner."

    Quoted message said:

    at http://tinyurl.com/49bno. In it they describe a self deep tissue
    massage technique (see below). Has anyone tried this and had any luck

    Quoted message said:

    with it? Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Thanks Anthony, Parker, Ozzie, and Andy for all your help.

    I did no running on Monday or Tuesday. Monday I was in pain just
    walking around at work. Tuesday was a little better, but I still had to
    walk slowly with short strides so as not to cause the ankle to bend as
    much. It was difficult not to limp. Wednesday was much better. I could
    walk full stride without wincing. So I went on a very easy 5 mile run.
    The leg hurt a little but never got any worse during the run. My other
    leg was also sore from carrying more than its share of weight due to
    the limping around. Nonetheless, I felt good just getting out and
    running. Unforunateley, Wednesday's run has set me back to Tuesday's
    condition (limping with some pain).

    So now I'm considering no running for a full week. I guess it's better
    to have the leg 100% than worry about my conditioning for the marathon
    on April 18th.

    Phil M.

  8. Phil,

    This is what I would do if I were dealing with this situation.

    I'd do the grabbing of the shin bone with the opposite hand so my
    fingers were pressing into the belly of the anterior tib.

    I'd bring the foot up to shorten the anterior tib and as I slowly let
    the foot return to neutral, I be using an accupressure tightening by
    pushing in with the fingers to play on the edge of the pain. That is
    to keep the pressure constant. The next time I'd raise the foot (oh,
    all of this is done sitting with leg crossed) and not let the fingers
    loosen from where they were the previous go round.

    In health and on the run,
    Ozzie Gontang
    Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
    Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/
    Mindful Running:
    http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

    \

  9. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from gontang215
    @sbcglobal.net of 24 Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Phil,

    This is what I would do if I were dealing with this situation.

    I'd do the grabbing of the shin bone with the opposite hand so my
    fingers were pressing into the belly of the anterior tib.

    I'd bring the foot up to shorten the anterior tib and as I slowly let
    the foot return to neutral, I be using an accupressure tightening by
    pushing in with the fingers to play on the edge of the pain. That is
    to keep the pressure constant. The next time I'd raise the foot (oh,
    all of this is done sitting with leg crossed) and not let the fingers
    loosen from where they were the previous go round.

    Thanks Ozzie. I've been doing that a few times a day. The ankle is still
    slightly swollen after yesterday's run. I'm icing for 20 minutes every 2
    hours, when I can. Also taking ibuprofen.

    Phil M.

    --
    Don't quit when the hill is steepest,
    For your goal is almost nigh;
    Don't quit, for you're not a failure
    UNTIL YOU FAIL TO TRY."

    --Jill Wolf

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    Phil,

    Where is the swelling located?

    My daughter is preparing for her second marathon, RnR here in San Diego.

    She did a 14 miler last Saturday and then started feeling what she and
    others thought was a plantar fascia problem. We talked and she
    mentioned twisting her ankle at the beginning of the run but it didn't
    bother her.

    I massaged the peroneus, and the pain on the bottom of her foot went
    away. She said today it was a bit sore where I massaged but the bottom
    of the foot was fine.

    I'm wondering what the swelling is about. Is the posterior tibialis
    tight? Is the calf holding on? Does the swelling have anything to do
    with the flexus digitorum along the lower portion of the shin?

    Going back to your original posting:
    --------------------------
    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm
    99% sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon is.
    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.
    ---------------------------

    I'd push in lightly and wiggle the toes up and down to get a sense of
    the muscles that are wiggling the toes up. Then do the foot to see the
    difference.

    I have a hunch that if you go into the soleus real deep and point the
    foot down to tighten the soleus and as you bring your foot back to
    neutral push in a little harder, that might be what's working against
    the anterior tib.

    I'm also thinking that in your running that if you're not bringing up
    the foot/leg opposite the injured leg, then you make be coming down
    harder on that foot and the pain is a result of the other side of your
    body not working effeciently or effectively.

    To me when I hear creaking, I look at what muscle group is holding on
    so that the tendon is having to be stretched. Loosen the agonist
    muscle group or possibly the antagonist muscle group to reduce the
    unnecessary stretch of the tendon of the anterior tib.

    I'm also wondering if you are running with your head looking down 5 to
    10 feet in front of you. The weight of the head forward can throw you
    off, especially when the head is supposed to be balanced upon the atlas
    over the neck. That can cause the toes to slightly dig in and
    therefore put more pressure on the shins.

    Anyway some thoughts. Will be interested in hearing how you solved
    your issue.

    In health and on the run,
    Ozzie Gontang
    Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
    Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/
    Mindful Running:
    http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks Ozzie. I've been doing that a few times a day. The ankle is still
    slightly swollen after yesterday's run. I'm icing for 20 minutes every 2
    hours, when I can. Also taking ibuprofen.

    Phil M.

  11. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
    [email hidden] of 26 Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Where is the swelling located?

    On this image
    http://tinyurl.com/4sns4
    Right where it says "Trans. Crural ligument"

    The swelling has gone down. On Monday (day after it hurt during my long
    run) the skin was red over that area.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm wondering what the swelling is about. Is the posterior tibialis
    tight?

    No, it doesn't seem to be tight. But maybe I'm used to a certain level of
    tightness.

    Quoted message said:

    Is the calf holding on? Does the swelling have anything to do with
    the flexus digitorum along the lower portion of the shin?

    I don't think so. At least I don't feel any pain there.

    This very closely describes my symptoms:
    http://tinyurl.com/6oy8w

    Quoted message said:

    Going back to your original posting:
    --------------------------
    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm
    99% sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon
    is. * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel
    a creaking when you move the foot up and down.
    ---------------------------

    I'd push in lightly and wiggle the toes up and down to get a sense of
    the muscles that are wiggling the toes up. Then do the foot to see
    the difference.

    I have a hunch that if you go into the soleus real deep and point the
    foot down to tighten the soleus and as you bring your foot back to
    neutral push in a little harder, that might be what's working against
    the anterior tib.

    I'm also thinking that in your running that if you're not bringing up
    the foot/leg opposite the injured leg, then you make be coming down
    harder on that foot and the pain is a result of the other side of your
    body not working effeciently or effectively.

    To me when I hear creaking, I look at what muscle group is holding on
    so that the tendon is having to be stretched. Loosen the agonist
    muscle group or possibly the antagonist muscle group to reduce the
    unnecessary stretch of the tendon of the anterior tib.

    I don't hear a creaking. There is no sound. But I can sometimes feel a
    creaking movement. If I press firmly on the area I described above, I can
    feel the rough movement, almost as if it were a door hinge that needed
    some oil. Right now I can't feel the creaking.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm also wondering if you are running with your head looking down 5 to
    10 feet in front of you.

    This could be true. In looking at race photos, it looks like I may be
    looking down too much.

    Quoted message said:

    The weight of the head forward can throw you off, especially when the
    head is supposed to be balanced upon the atlas over the neck. That
    can cause the toes to slightly dig in and therefore put more pressure
    on the shins.

    Anyway some thoughts. Will be interested in hearing how you solved
    your issue.

    As always, thanks for your help.

    Phil M.

    --
    Don't quit when the hill is steepest,
    For your goal is almost nigh;
    Don't quit, for you're not a failure
    UNTIL YOU FAIL TO TRY."

    --Jill Wolf

  12. I haven't seen any mention of your applying ice to the tender area. If
    not, consider using it at least 3-4 times a day particularly after a
    run. A couple of those blue gel packs you keep in the freezer will mold
    nicely to the ankle, many come with a elastic band and pouch to hold it
    in place.

    Phil M. said:
    Phil M. said:

    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm


    99%

    Quoted message said:

    sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle where the tendon


    is.

    Quoted message said:

    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel a
    creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    This injury is most likely from accumulated high mileage on asphalt


    over

    Quoted message said:

    the past 2 months. From what I understand, it is similar to shin


    splints,

    Quoted message said:

    but the pain is on the front of the ankle, rather than higher up on


    the

    Quoted message said:

    shins. I found a site that sells an ebook called "The Pain-Free


    Runner."

    Quoted message said:

    at http://tinyurl.com/49bno. In it they describe a self deep tissue
    massage technique (see below). Has anyone tried this and had any luck

    Quoted message said:

    with it? Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Thanks Anthony, Parker, Ozzie, and Andy for all your help.

    I did no running on Monday or Tuesday. Monday I was in pain just
    walking around at work. Tuesday was a little better, but I still had to
    walk slowly with short strides so as not to cause the ankle to bend as
    much. It was difficult not to limp. Wednesday was much better. I could
    walk full stride without wincing. So I went on a very easy 5 mile run.
    The leg hurt a little but never got any worse during the run. My other
    leg was also sore from carrying more than its share of weight due to
    the limping around. Nonetheless, I felt good just getting out and
    running. Unforunateley, Wednesday's run has set me back to Tuesday's
    condition (limping with some pain).

    So now I'm considering no running for a full week. I guess it's better
    to have the leg 100% than worry about my conditioning for the marathon
    on April 18th.

    Phil M.

  13. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden]
    of 26 Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    I haven't seen any mention of your applying ice to the tender area. If
    not, consider using it at least 3-4 times a day particularly after a
    run. A couple of those blue gel packs you keep in the freezer will mold
    nicely to the ankle, many come with a elastic band and pouch to hold it
    in place.

    Yes. It's in my Thursday post to Ozzie...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks Ozzie. I've been doing that a few times a day. The ankle is
    still slightly swollen after yesterday's run. I'm icing for 20 minutes
    every 2 hours, when I can. Also taking ibuprofen.

    However, today the swelling has gone down, so I'm not icing anymore. Only
    took one ibuprofen before going to the mall. No running since Wednesday.

    Phil M.

    --
    Don't quit when the hill is steepest,
    For your goal is almost nigh;
    Don't quit, for you're not a failure
    UNTIL YOU FAIL TO TRY."

    --Jill Wolf

  14. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    However, today the swelling has gone down, so I'm not icing anymore.
    Only
    took one ibuprofen before going to the mall. No running since
    Wednesday.

    I would still ice for a few more days. I'll bet there is still swelling
    but less of it. Remember, you can never do harm with ice short of
    chilling to long at any one time. Ice is like meds they give you for a
    virus. People stop taking it when they start to fell better and then
    relapse. A few more days especially after any walking/running, even
    sustained standing.

    -DougF

  15. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of 27
    Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    I would still ice for a few more days. I'll bet there is still swelling
    but less of it. Remember, you can never do harm with ice short of
    chilling to long at any one time. Ice is like meds they give you for a
    virus. People stop taking it when they start to fell better and then
    relapse. A few more days especially after any walking/running, even
    sustained standing.

    Thanks Doug. Will do.

    Phil M.

  16. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
    21 Mar 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Four weeks to go until Boston and I've come up with this injury. I'm
    99% sure that this what I have, since I exhibit all these symptoms:

    * Pain when you bend your foot and toes up.
    * Swelling and redness over the front of the ankle
    where the anterior tibial tendon is.
    * If you push your fingers into the tendon you can sometimes feel
    a creaking when you move the foot up and down.

    Quick recap:
    Training for Boston with consistant high mileage (60mpw) and 20 mile long
    runs.
    3/20 - 10 miles into a 20-miler, pain on front of ankle (tibialis anterior
    tendon)
    3/21 - swelling and pain, nsaids & ice, daily deep tissue massage
    3/23 - easy 5-miler, good at start, painful at finish
    3/24 - back to 3/21 condition, no running for 5 days
    3/29 - easy 7-miler, some pain at start, very painful at finish
    3/30 - back to 3/21 condition, no running since
    4/1 - visit doc, prescribes prednison & ibuprofen, referral to ortho

    On Tuesday of this week I ran an easy 6. My first run since last
    Wednesday. I've run a total of 12 miles in the last 2 weeks! Even if I
    was 100%, I don't think I'd want to run a marathon on the 18th with so
    little running 3 and 4 weeks out from the race. I know I have lots of
    mileage in the bank, but how long can that last?

    Before Tuesday walking around at work is pain-free, just a little stiffness
    in the front of my ankle. I knew right away at the start of the 6 mile run
    that something was still not right. It hurt a little but not bad. I was
    hoping that somehow if I kept running it would work itself out. Other than
    the pain, it felt soooo good to be out of the house and running. The joy
    was greater than the pain. But silly me. That's the same attitude that got
    me in this mess. But it got progressively more painful all the way to the
    finish. The next day, the pain was the same as it was the day after my last
    long run on March 20th. Back to, limping, nsaids and icing.

    Friday I went to my family doctor hoping he would say, "No problem. Just
    take these magic pills and start running again tomorrow." Well, that didn't
    exactly happen, but surprsingly close. I told him I believed that I had
    anterior tibial tendonitis and that I was running about 60 mpw with 20 mile
    long runs when the pain started. He was more impressed with my knowlege of
    anatomy than with my running. At his practice is another doctor that runs
    marathons, so maybe he's up on the running obsessive types. He moved my
    foot around, said it wasn't fractured (duh! I guess I'd be screaming if it
    was), noted the slight swelling. He asked if I had any upcomming races. I
    told him about Boston on the 18th. His repsonse was , "Well, maybe next
    year." I'm already mentally prepared for that, so no problem. However, he
    seemed to think I could get back to running within a few weeks. He
    prescribed 800 mg ibuprofen tablets to take 2 times per day, along with 12
    prednisone tablets, starting with 3 pills once a day. He gave me a referral
    to an orthopedic specialist in case the pain returns after resuming running
    in a few weeks.

    Today the pain is barely detectable while walking. Virtually no pain when
    flexing the tibialis anterior (dorsiflexion). However, I have some pain
    when pointing the toes and flexing the calves (plantar flexion). No
    creaking feeling when I flex my ankle.

    For future googlers here are some helpful links to this injury:
    http://tinyurl.com/6oy8w
    http://tinyurl.com/5thws
    http://tinyurl.com/5d4cd
    http://tinyurl.com/4sns4
    http://tinyurl.com/45ry2
    http://tinyurl.com/4b9zt

    Today it's a beautiful day to run in Atlanta. Damnit! I want to run! ;-(

    BTW, thanks to all those who tried to help - Tony, Anthony, lanceandrew,
    Doug, Ozzie, Parker, Andy, Bumper, and Miss Ann Thrope (enjoyed the
    chuckle).

    Phil M.

    --
    Don't quit when the hill is steepest,
    For your goal is almost nigh;
    Don't quit, for you're not a failure
    UNTIL YOU FAIL TO TRY."

    --Jill Wolf

  17. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from ignoramus21027
    @NOSPAM.21027.invalid of 02 Apr 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Phil, good luck with yur treatment. Prednisone is an extremely nasty
    drug, and many people report that it pushed them into diabetes or
    substantially worsened their diabetes. You can probably google J David
    Anderson's posts on alt.support.diet on his own diabetes caused by it.

    I would give this prednisone a good second thought.

    Been doing nothing but googling for info on prednisone all day. Plenty of
    free time I guess. Anyway, the doc only gave me 12 pills of 10mg each. Take
    30 mg the first 2 days, take 20 mg, the next 2 days, take 10 mg the next 2
    days. I don't think that's enough to cause any real harm.

    Phil M.

  18. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from ignoramus21027
    @NOSPAM.21027.invalid of 02 Apr 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Phil, good luck with yur treatment. Prednisone is an extremely nasty
    drug, and many people report that it pushed them into diabetes or
    substantially worsened their diabetes. You can probably google J David
    Anderson's posts on alt.support.diet on his own diabetes caused by it.

    I would give this prednisone a good second thought.

    His problems were from long term prednisone use. Here's his post
    http://tinyurl.com/53nc4

    Phil M.

  19. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
    [email hidden] of 02 Apr 2005:

    Quoted message said:
    Phil M. said:

    Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from ignoramus21027
    @NOSPAM.21027.invalid of 02 Apr 2005:

    Quoted message said:

    Phil, good luck with yur treatment. Prednisone is an extremely nasty
    drug, and many people report that it pushed them into diabetes or
    substantially worsened their diabetes. You can probably google J
    David Anderson's posts on alt.support.diet on his own diabetes
    caused by it.

    I would give this prednisone a good second thought.

    Been doing nothing but googling for info on prednisone all day.
    Plenty of free time I guess. Anyway, the doc only gave me 12 pills of
    10mg each. Take 30 mg the first 2 days, take 20 mg, the next 2 days,
    take 10 mg the next 2 days. I don't think that's enough to cause any
    real harm.

    Is the reason for taking it that you want to start running sooner?

    That's part of it. Most of what I've read is that it can help this type
    of tendon issue. Also, the dose I'm taking is less than what most are
    taking. I'm sure the doc is erring on the side of too little. And if it
    doesn't work, he's not going to prescribe more. Instead, I'm to go to a
    specialist for further diagnosis/treatment. Hopefully that won't be
    necessary.

    Quoted message said:

    What is the precise tradeoff here, if you, say, do not take it, would
    it make your recovery only take longer time? Or would you remain
    permanently crippled?

    I think the doc wants me to take this just to get me up and running more
    quickly. I'm taking such a slight amount (120 mg spread out over 6 days),
    that it is not likely I will be turned into a diabetic. I suppose you
    could say that I'm taking such a slight amount that it's not likely to
    help me either. Even today I wouldn't say I'm crippled. I'm walking
    without pain. I could probably even run a couple of miles without pain,
    but I'm not going to run at all for a while longer.

    If you could site some references where I'm at a huge risk, I'd be happy
    to read them.

    Phil M.

  20. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
    21 Mar 2005:


    <story snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    Today it's a beautiful day to run in Atlanta. Damnit! I want to run! ;-(

    That's too bad, I would have been dissapointed if I had done all that
    training and then was injured that close to the race.
    Are you able to do something else to maintain your aerobic conditioning? Can
    you ride a bike?

    Quoted message said:


    BTW, thanks to all those who tried to help - Tony, Anthony, lanceandrew,
    Doug, Ozzie, Parker, Andy, Bumper, and Miss Ann Thrope (enjoyed the
    chuckle).

    Unfortunately the most helpful treatment (to stop running) is the one we
    usually are forced into as a last result.
    My feet are still on the edge, I have to make a decision about a new pair of
    orthotics that my health insurance won't pay for.
    I may just take an extended break from running and see what happens. I'm
    looking forward to it being warm enough for biking to be an alternative.

    Quoted message said:


    Phil M.

    --
    Don't quit when the hill is steepest,
    For your goal is almost nigh;
    Don't quit, for you're not a failure
    UNTIL YOU FAIL TO TRY."

    --Jill Wolf

    Good Luck,
    Parker

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