Re: Tom Kunich is always right

gym.gravity said:

either they were dead wrong, or someone was lying to build a case for
attacking Iraq.

Either one sucks. At least we can profit from the nation being sold

on

Quoted message said:

"dead wrong". That way we can bet on increased spending through
defense/intelligence contractors. I'm gonna bet my 2005 ROTH
contribution on CSC.

It's already happening and headed right off the scale, even compared to
previous Pentagon spending sprees. As usual 2/3 of the [censored] is useless
or they had to slash the specs to get it accepted too.
There was a New York Times article that cited Pentagon figures of, I
think, $73 billion, projected over the next few years. I can't find the
article now but it was in the last week or so. They pointed out that
most of the technology and systems being purchased were either based on
untested, or even technology in the first stages of r&d. Given the
Pentagon's track record of understatimg costs by a factor of 2 or 3,
they were betting the actual cost, just for what's on the board now
would be $200-$300 billion.
If that isn't obscene, nothing is. Especially considering most of the
latest and greatest [censored] like the Osprey flat out doesn't work, and the
Apache helicopter has a combat readiness of around 35% when they
attempt to use them for combat operations.
Rumsfeld is busy engineering and creating the biggest disaster in US
military history. We're already seeing it with the recruiting figures,
lack of basic equipment and training. Then we have training flights,
range time, exercises etc. being cancelled due to lack of funding,
because those budgets have been siphoned off to pay for combat
operations, and to keep all of their new pet purchasing on track.
Unfortunately a lot of the people being paid to supply stuff are
woefully inadequate at best, but have good connections so they get to
keep exclusive contracts to produce things like armor for humvees.
Unfortunately they don't even have close to the production capability
to give us what we need, and anyway Rummy really doesn't give a [censored]
how many grunts die as long as he and his buddies can keep looting the
treasury. All of you people who have been watching Cheney have been
watching the wrong guy. Not saying I trust Cheney, but Rummy is
stealing a whole hell of a lot more.
Bill C

Bill C said:

gym.gravity said:

either they were dead wrong, or someone was lying to build a case

for

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Quoted message said:

attacking Iraq.

Either one sucks. At least we can profit from the nation being

sold

Quoted message said:

on

Quoted message said:

"dead wrong". That way we can bet on increased spending through
defense/intelligence contractors. I'm gonna bet my 2005 ROTH
contribution on CSC.

It's already happening and headed right off the scale, even compared

to

Quoted message said:

previous Pentagon spending sprees. As usual 2/3 of the [censored] is

useless

Quoted message said:

or they had to slash the specs to get it accepted too.
There was a New York Times article that cited Pentagon figures of, I
think, $73 billion, projected over the next few years. I can't find

the

Quoted message said:

article now but it was in the last week or so. They pointed out that
most of the technology and systems being purchased were either based

on

Quoted message said:

untested, or even technology in the first stages of r&d. Given the
Pentagon's track record of understatimg costs by a factor of 2 or 3,
they were betting the actual cost, just for what's on the board now
would be $200-$300 billion.
If that isn't obscene, nothing is. Especially considering most of

the

Quoted message said:

latest and greatest [censored] like the Osprey flat out doesn't work, and

the

Quoted message said:

Apache helicopter has a combat readiness of around 35% when they
attempt to use them for combat operations.
Rumsfeld is busy engineering and creating the biggest disaster in US
military history. We're already seeing it with the recruiting

figures,

Quoted message said:

lack of basic equipment and training. Then we have training flights,
range time, exercises etc. being cancelled due to lack of funding,
because those budgets have been siphoned off to pay for combat
operations, and to keep all of their new pet purchasing on track.
Unfortunately a lot of the people being paid to supply stuff are
woefully inadequate at best, but have good connections so they get to
keep exclusive contracts to produce things like armor for humvees.
Unfortunately they don't even have close to the production capability
to give us what we need, and anyway Rummy really doesn't give a [censored]
how many grunts die as long as he and his buddies can keep looting

the

Quoted message said:

treasury. All of you people who have been watching Cheney have been
watching the wrong guy. Not saying I trust Cheney, but Rummy is
stealing a whole hell of a lot more.
Bill C

Just wanted to add, before we get started on the Times, that there are
plenty of other sources with a totally different take than the Times
reporting the same stuff.
Bill C

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

All of you people who have been watching Cheney have been
watching the wrong guy. Not saying I trust Cheney, but Rummy is
stealing a whole hell of a lot more.
Bill C

What makes you think they aren't working together?

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

All of you people who have been watching Cheney have been
watching the wrong guy. Not saying I trust Cheney, but Rummy is
stealing a whole hell of a lot more.
Bill C

What makes you think they aren't working together?

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Wouldn't surprise me at all Howard. The only things coming out of this
Pentagon that wouls shock me are honesty, good decisions, and good
planning. Here are a few high spots lately:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H217122DA
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z537232DA
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X147412DA
And for another interesting site:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050401-stryker-report.htm
Lots that isn't from the Times. Very little of this information is
making it to the mainstream press, but professional military and
security types are amazed at what they are seeing for the most part.
Really isn't a surprise from the guy who brought us Gerry Ford's
military. To be fair to Carter he inherited a totally screwed up
military from the top down.
Bill C