Off Topic: Jphm Hanson - Minnisota CCW Law Struck Down

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

They just affirmed a Ramsey County judges opinion. It will go to the
State Supreme Court next. Nothing has changed for the last year since
that earlier ruling. Those that got their permits still have their
permits and those who wish to apply now do so under the old law.

BTW, you might want to check out your keyboard.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/11375481.htm

Posted on Tue, Apr. 12, 2005

Court of appeals rules state conceal-carry gun law is unconstitutional

BY SHANNON PRATHER

Pioneer Press

The state Court of Appeals agreed Tuesday with a Ramsey County
District Court judge that Minnesota’s conceal-and-carry gun-permitting
law is invalid because of the way lawmakers passed it in the spring of
2003.

Legislators violated the state constitution’s single-subject rule when
they lumped the gun-permitting statute with a natural resources bill,
the three-judge panel ruled in a 26-page opinion.

Tuesday’s ruling affirms Ramsey County District Judge John T. Finley’s
July 2004 decision that invalidated the law. More than two dozen
church groups and the city of Minneapolis filed suit challenging the
2003 gun permitting law.

The 2003 law required the state’s 87 sheriffs grant gun permits to
most law-abiding adults compared to the previous law that required
people to demonstrate a need to carry a handgun for their job or
personal safety. Since Finley’s ruling, law enforcement has been
issuing permits under the older, more discretionary law

Gun advocates and the state attorney general have argued that
lawmakers didn't dupe the voters when they passed the
conceal-and-carry law as part of a natural resources bill because the
gun bill generated more media attention and debate than any other
measure during the 2003 legislative session.

Lawmakers correctly tied the conceal-and-carry bill to rules on
snowmobiles, fish houses and parks fees because they were all
government regulation of potentially hazardous devices, Attorney
General Mike Hatch had argued to the Court of Appeals.

But gun opponents argued Minnesota’s 2003 gun law was doomed the day
it was passed because lawmakers who supported it relied on a
controversial parliamentary maneuver where they attached it to an
unrelated bill, forcing the gun law to a vote in the
Democrat-controlled Senate. Up until that point, the gun law had
stalled in committee.

The appeals court ruled that while Minnesota courts have historically
given "liberal deference" to the Legislature and rarely invalidated
laws under the single-subject rule, gun permitting and natural
resources were improperly linked.

"This case is about performing the judiciary's constitutional role of
upholding the Minnesota Constitution and giving effect to each of its
provisions," wrote Judge R. A. "Jim" Randall. "To date, the 148 years
of Minnesota's statehoods have produced approximately five successful
attacks on legislation under the single-subject requirement of the
Minnesota Constitution."

Lee Michaels said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Proton Soup said:

Lee Michaels said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are staunch
supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if churches were
behind such an initiative.
--
-Larry

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Proton Soup said:

Lee Michaels said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are staunch
supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if churches were
behind such an initiative.

To quote a passage just two posts ago;

Tuesday's ruling affirms Ramsey County District Judge John T. Finley's
July 2004 decision that invalidated the law. More than two dozen
church groups and the city of Minneapolis filed suit challenging the
2003 gun permitting law.

The operative phrase being "more than two dozen church groups".

Lee Michaels said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Proton Soup said:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> What is this I hear?
>
> That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw
> law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are
staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if
churches were behind such an initiative.

To quote a passage just two posts ago;

Tuesday's ruling affirms Ramsey County District Judge John T. Finley's
July 2004 decision that invalidated the law. More than two dozen
church groups and the city of Minneapolis filed suit challenging the
2003 gun permitting law.

The operative phrase being "more than two dozen church groups".

I did notice that. I'd like to know what kind of "churches". Church of the
Enlightened Transvestites, Universalist, etc.
--
-Larry

"Larry Hodges" wrote

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Proton Soup wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> What is this I hear?
>>
>> That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw
>> law?
>
> That wasn't very Christian of them.
>
> -----------
> Proton Soup
>
> "And all this peace has been deceiving,
> I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are
staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if
churches were behind such an initiative.

To quote a passage just two posts ago;

Tuesday's ruling affirms Ramsey County District Judge John T. Finley's
July 2004 decision that invalidated the law. More than two dozen
church groups and the city of Minneapolis filed suit challenging the
2003 gun permitting law.

The operative phrase being "more than two dozen church groups".

I did notice that. I'd like to know what kind of "churches". Church of
the Enlightened Transvestites, Universalist, etc.

I seriously doubt it.

I used to do some work with a corporate attorney who was the counsel for a
number of church groups. He told me that only really mainstream churches
even bothered to form these groups. Although they did seem quite liberal to
me.

Fringe churches, by their very definition, do not usually group themsleves
with more traditional churches or each other. And more traditional churches
probably would not welcome them.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:55:45 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Proton Soup said:

Lee Michaels said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are staunch
supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if churches were
behind such an initiative.

I see you've never heard of the religious left.

Larry Hodges said:

Proton Soup said:

Lee Michaels said:

What is this I hear?

That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are staunch
supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if churches were
behind such an initiative.

Check out the Methodist Church's opinion on this topic:

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=937

Sucks 🙁

Ironhead said:

Larry Hodges said:

Proton Soup said:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> What is this I hear?
>
> That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw
> law?

That wasn't very Christian of them.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are
staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if
churches were behind such an initiative.

Check out the Methodist Church's opinion on this topic:

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=937

Sucks 🙁

....and ordain openly gay clergy. The Methodist churck sucks (pun intended).
--
-Larry

Larry Hodges said:

Ironhead said:

Larry Hodges said:

Proton Soup wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>> What is this I hear?
>>
>> That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw
>> law?
>
> That wasn't very Christian of them.
>
> -----------
> Proton Soup
>
> "And all this peace has been deceiving,
> I need some wind to get me sailing"

Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are
staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me if
churches were behind such an initiative.

Check out the Methodist Church's opinion on this topic:

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=937

Sucks 🙁

...and ordain openly gay clergy. The Methodist churck sucks (pun intended).

Isn't George Bush a Methodist?

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Proton Soup said:

Larry Hodges said:

Ironhead said:

Larry Hodges wrote:
> Proton Soup wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:47:51 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What is this I hear?
>>>
>>> That a buncha churches got an appeal court to throw out your ccw
>>> law?
>>
>> That wasn't very Christian of them.
>>
>> -----------
>> Proton Soup
>>
>> "And all this peace has been deceiving,
>> I need some wind to get me sailing"
>
>
> Most churches fall on the conservative side of the fence, and are
> staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. It would surprise me
> if churches were behind such an initiative.

Check out the Methodist Church's opinion on this topic:

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=937

Sucks 🙁

...and ordain openly gay clergy. The Methodist churck sucks (pun
intended).

Isn't George Bush a Methodist?

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Don't know, but that would certainly explain the open borders and the
spending like a drunken sailor.
--
-Larry