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Re: seat in front hopping

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  1. hi
    i have been watching some videos of some seat in front hops and i have
    seen many people holding there ssaddles on the side when they hop. when
    ever i do these hops i always hold the handle.

    could anyone tell me whichc one you think is easier and does it make any
    difference?

    thanks

    joe

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  2. I think one reason to hold the side of the saddle is that you are less
    likely to break the handle if you have a KH or similar saddle. When you
    hop up onto something from the side, it's easier to pull the unicycle
    sideways if you're holding the side of the saddle. Finally, since the
    saddle is already out in front of you, if you try to hold the handle,
    you're reaching out a ways with your arm, which is awkward and doesn't
    give you as much leverage.

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  3. bassicaly if you jump seat in you can only hop so high but with seat out
    you can bring the unicyle realy high up with you so then you can hop
    even higher

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  4. juggling_unicyclist_joe said:

    *when ever i do these hops i always hold the handle.

    could anyone tell me whichc one you think is easier and does it make
    any difference?*

    The short answer is: holding the seat on the side is easier; it takes
    less work. Here comes the scientifc explanation, along with experiments
    you can do yourself to prove my point!

    The cycle's center of gravity is located between the hub and the seat,
    somewhere along the frame. The easiest way to lift most any object is
    to grab it at the center of mass and lift up (opposite the pull of
    gravity).

    Give it a try with a broom... Lift a broom, laying flat on the ground,
    by holding it at one end. Then put it down and lift it in the middle.
    That should be easier. Note that if you stand the broom straight up, it
    is much easier to lift it off the ground, no matter where you grab it.
    This is because it isn't torquing your hand as much.

    Grabbing your unicycle by the side of the seat is like grabbing the
    upright broom. You're holding the mass (broom or uni) directly above
    its center of gravity, hence the lack of torque on your hand (or torque
    on the object, however you look at it). Grabbing by the handle is more
    like grabbing the broom at one end and lifting it off the ground.

    Unfortunately, your handle isn't above the center of mass of the
    unicycle. Pick up your unicycle by the handle and notice how it will
    tilt such that the center of mass will fall directly under your hand.
    Try again, pick up your unicycle by the side of the seat and notice that
    it won't tilt.

    When you take the seat out front, you're going to be extending your arm
    quite a bit, such that you'll end up pulling back on the seat. Unless
    you're a pro at ultimate wheel you'll be pulling even harder on the seat
    to make the riding easier.

    _Where_ you pull on the seat makes a difference, because the frame makes
    a pull in one direction easy (pulling straight "up," in line with the
    frame) and another direction difficult (perpendicular to the frame,
    pulling the seat forwards or backwards if you will). Pulling on the
    handle, you'll be pulling the seat back in towards yourself... but you
    want to ride seat _out_, right? Stop pulling back in, then, and just
    pull _up_. That's all the pulling you need to do, the rest is just
    extra work!

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  5. However, easier is relative. seat in is easier, because you have more
    control on the unicycle. However, it is possible to get a higher hop
    seat out. So, go figure.

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  6. Fuego said:

    *However, easier is relative. seat in is easier, because you have more
    control on the unicycle. However, it is possible to get a higher hop
    seat out. So, go figure. *

    but he's talking about seat in front hopping only, and where you hold
    the seat. it's more difficult to hold the front of the seat if it's in
    front of you, because you have to reach. but the side of the seat is
    right there, so you just grab it, and that's that....

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  7. well said james, i have now started using the side to hold onto when
    hopping with the seat in front and i can now hop alot higher

    thanks for the other replies aswell

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  8. jsm said:

    *I think one reason to hold the side of the saddle is that you are
    less likely to break the handle if you have a KH or similar saddle. *

    LOL. No. :p

    Quoted message said:

    *since the saddle is already out in front of you, if you try to hold
    the handle, you're reaching out a ways with your arm, which is awkward
    and doesn't give you as much leverage. *

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    *Maestro8's post*

    Correct.

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  9. I just tried hopping, holding the front handle. This doesn't work...
    At all.

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