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  1. Original post
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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    Ernst Primer said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

    In truth, it is, as both dictionary definition and common usage of
    the term "diet" indicates.

    Actually, that depends on the source of the definition. According to
    the definition of diet in the on-line Webster's at www.m-w.com, the
    2PD-OMER Approach would not be a diet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If it were, you would be able to tell me the name of the diet that a
    person is following when this person "dovetails" the 2PD-OMER


    Approach

    Quoted message said:

    with the Atkin's diet.

    Q.E.D.

    See my other post.

    As the inventor of the 2PD-OMER Approach, let me assure you that Atkin's
    diet plus the 2PD-OMER Approach is not the same as just the 2PD-OMER
    Approach or version thereof.

    Quoted message said:

    To recap, in truth, it would not be Atkins' diet,
    because he (in his book) explicitly forbids people from metering out
    low-carbohydrate foods in their diet, particularly in the early phases.

    In my copy of the Diet Revolution by the late Dr. Atkins, I have been
    unable to find any prohibitions on weighing meals and limiting intake
    based on meal weight. Which edition and page number are you referring
    to?

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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  2. Ernst Primer
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    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Ernst Primer said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

    In truth, it is, as both dictionary definition and common usage


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the term "diet" indicates.

    Actually, that depends on the source of the definition.

    Ah! So the truth is not so simple, is it?

    Quoted message said:

    According to
    the definition of diet in the on-line Webster's at www.m-w.com, the
    2PD-OMER Approach would not be a diet.

    Truth is complicated, and frequently subjective.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If it were, you would be able to tell me the name of the diet


    that a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    person is following when this person "dovetails" the 2PD-OMER


    Approach

    Quoted message said:

    with the Atkin's diet.

    Q.E.D.

    See my other post.

    As the inventor of the 2PD-OMER Approach, let me assure you that


    Atkin's

    Quoted message said:

    diet plus the 2PD-OMER Approach is not the same as just the 2PD-OMER
    Approach or version thereof.

    If you say so. It is some other diet then. It is certainly not
    Atkins. Actually, you can't "dovetail" Atkins with anything else and
    have it still be considered Atkins. I suppose it is the same for your
    diet plan.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    To recap, in truth, it would not be Atkins' diet,
    because he (in his book) explicitly forbids people from metering


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    low-carbohydrate foods in their diet, particularly in the early


    phases.

    Quoted message said:


    In my copy of the Diet Revolution by the late Dr. Atkins, I have been
    unable to find any prohibitions on weighing meals and limiting intake
    based on meal weight. Which edition and page number are you


    referring

    Quoted message said:

    to?

    (p.31, DANDR, 2002) "Eat... as much as needed to feel satisfied."
    (p.97, DANDR, 2002) "Eat as much as you need... to feel satisfied.p"
    (p.83, DANDR, 2002) "When hungry, eat the amount that makes you feel
    satisfied, but not stuffed."

    Deviating from these amount instructions is doing your own version of
    Atkins. To put it in plain terms, for many, limiting ones intake of
    food to two pounds a day no doubt leaves some feeling unsatisfied,
    which would mean you are not doing Atkins.

    Q.E.D.

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  3. Ernst Primer
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    Ernst Primer said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Ernst Primer said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    <snip>

    > In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

    In truth, it is, as both dictionary definition and common usage


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the term "diet" indicates.

    Actually, that depends on the source of the definition.

    Ah! So the truth is not so simple, is it?

    Quoted message said:

    According to
    the definition of diet in the on-line Webster's at www.m-w.com, the
    2PD-OMER Approach would not be a diet.

    Truth is complicated, and frequently subjective.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >
    > If it were, you would be able to tell me the name of the diet


    that a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > person is following when this person "dovetails" the 2PD-OMER
    Approach
    > with the Atkin's diet.
    >
    > Q.E.D.

    See my other post.

    As the inventor of the 2PD-OMER Approach, let me assure you that


    Atkin's

    Quoted message said:

    diet plus the 2PD-OMER Approach is not the same as just the


    2PD-OMER

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Approach or version thereof.

    If you say so. It is some other diet then. It is certainly not
    Atkins. Actually, you can't "dovetail" Atkins with anything else and
    have it still be considered Atkins.

    Regarding 'dovetailing,' note this is purely my opinion. I would note
    I haven't thought through all of the hypotheticals.

    Quoted message said:

    I suppose it is the same for your
    diet plan.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    To recap, in truth, it would not be Atkins' diet,
    because he (in his book) explicitly forbids people from metering


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    low-carbohydrate foods in their diet, particularly in the early


    phases.

    Quoted message said:


    In my copy of the Diet Revolution by the late Dr. Atkins, I have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    unable to find any prohibitions on weighing meals and limiting


    intake

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    based on meal weight. Which edition and page number are you


    referring

    Quoted message said:

    to?

    (p.31, DANDR, 2002) "Eat... as much as needed to feel satisfied."
    (p.97, DANDR, 2002) "Eat as much as you need... to feel


    satisfied.p"

    Quoted message said:

    (p.83, DANDR, 2002) "When hungry, eat the amount that makes you


    feel

    Quoted message said:

    satisfied, but not stuffed."

    Deviating from these amount instructions is doing your own version


    of

    Quoted message said:

    Atkins. To put it in plain terms, for many, limiting ones intake of
    food to two pounds a day no doubt leaves some feeling unsatisfied,
    which would mean you are not doing Atkins.

    Q.E.D.

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  4. Ernst Primer
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    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Ernst Primer said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In my copy of the Diet Revolution by the late Dr. Atkins, I have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    unable to find any prohibitions on weighing meals and limiting


    intake

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    based on meal weight. Which edition and page number are you


    referring

    Quoted message said:

    to?

    (p.31, DANDR, 2002) "Eat... as much as needed to feel satisfied."
    (p.97, DANDR, 2002) "Eat as much as you need... to feel


    satisfied.p"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (p.83, DANDR, 2002) "When hungry, eat the amount that makes you


    feel

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    satisfied, but not stuffed."

    Deviating from these amount instructions is doing your own


    version of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Atkins.

    Actually, there is no specification on amounts here. A person


    ***may*** feel

    Quoted message said:

    satisfied with eating 2 lbs of food <snip>

    (Emphasis added)

    ... and then they may not, illustrating my point exactly.

    The amount specified is that which makes you feel "satisfied."

    Clearly, limiting yourself to two pounds per day of food is
    incompatible with the Atkins diet.

    Consider yourself vanquished by the cold light of logic, dear Andrew,
    usenet troll whom I love.

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  5. Ernst Primer
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    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Ernst Primer said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:

    Ernst Primer wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > > In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
    >
    > In truth, it is, as both dictionary definition and common


    usage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    > the term "diet" indicates.

    Actually, that depends on the source of the definition.

    Ah! So the truth is not so simple, is it?

    Things of this world are not the truth.

    <snip>

    Glad to hear you think so. I assume you'll finally be demonstrating
    some long-overdue intellectual humility then?

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  6. Ernst Primer
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    Andrew B. Chung said:

    Ernst Primer wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    ... and then they may not, illustrating my point exactly.

    The amount specified is that which makes you feel "satisfied."

    Someone who chooses to dovetail the 2PD-OMER Approach with the


    Atkin's

    Quoted message said:

    diet is by definition going to be someone who is "satisfied" with the


    2

    Quoted message said:

    lb amount.

    <snip>

    ... until they discover they have placed a limit on their eating not
    sanctioned by Dr. Atkins' instructions, namely, a weight limit rather
    than a satisfaction limit. If the two coincide, that is just
    happenstance.

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