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  1. Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and sprinkle
    with salt or garlic salt.

    You're sprinkling the same side twice?

    I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    everywhere.

    Congratulations on your success!

    Andy

    --
    "Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles!"
    - Ed Sullivan (1964)

  2. Andy said:

    Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and sprinkle
    with salt or garlic salt.

    You're sprinkling the same side twice?

    I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    everywhere.

    Or just use less oil. Covering it will steam the meat.

    Pastorio

  3. Bob (this one) said:
    Andy said:

    Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and sprinkle
    with salt or garlic salt.

    You're sprinkling the same side twice?

    I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    everywhere.

    Or just use less oil. Covering it will steam the meat.

    Pastorio

    I cover it with a screen if it starts to pop; that lets most of the
    steam out but traps most of the flying grease.

    I don't use olive oil. I trim off a little fat and cook that first. If
    the meat is too lean to trim anything, I've been known to use a
    tablespoon of lard to cook the steaks in.

    Bob

  4. zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Andy said:

    Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    > Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    > place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    > oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    > some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and sprinkle
    > with salt or garlic salt.

    You're sprinkling the same side twice?

    I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    everywhere.

    Or just use less oil. Covering it will steam the meat.

    Pastorio

    I cover it with a screen if it starts to pop; that lets most of the
    steam out but traps most of the flying grease.

    I don't use olive oil. I trim off a little fat and cook that first. If
    the meat is too lean to trim anything, I've been known to use a
    tablespoon of lard to cook the steaks in.

    This past week, I did my annual 4-H Creative Chefs extravaganza where we
    cook together - me and a couple dozen kids. It's always a blast and the
    kids get to cook and eat stuff.

    This year we did a version of Navajo Fry Bread and piadine, an Italian
    flat bread. Both call for lard. Most of the kids had never had any.
    Several parents wanted to "discuss" it with me. I said, "The recipe
    calls for lard. We'll use lard." The discussions died.

    The kids got flour all over themselves and bits of dough stuck to their
    clothes and hair. And all had a swell time and took home lots of cool
    stuff. Lard everywhere...

    Here's what we did:

    NAVAJO FRY BREAD
    Makes about a dozen and a half rounds.
    This one is popular all over the Southwest. Sometimes it's served
    sugared, other times as bread to accompany a meal.
    2 cups oil for frying
    4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    1 1/2 tablespoons salt
    2 1/2 cups warm milk
    In a large heavy bottomed frying pan, heat 1 inch of vegetable oil or
    lard to 365ÌŠF. In a large mixing bowl, combine flour, baking powder, salt
    and milk; mix well. When the dough has pulled together, form it into
    small balls and press and pat them flat; about 1/4-inch thick. Put 3 or
    4 at a time into the hot oil. When the rounds become golden on the
    bottom, flip them over and cook the second side until golden. Drain on
    paper towels and serve hot, either plain as part of dinner or as a
    dessert with honey and butter.

    PIADINE (PYAH-DEE-NEH)
    Makes 8 to 10, depending on how big you want them
    This Italian flat bread is usually made with flour, salt, water and
    lard and dry-fried on a griddle or cast iron pan. It is wonderful as a
    sandwich base for cured meats and cheeses. It can also be made into a
    dessert item by filling before cooking as described below.
    3 cups of all-purpose flour
    1 teaspoon salt
    6 tablespoons of lard or shortening
    1/2 cup warm water
    Combine flour and salt in a large bowl. Make a well in the flour and add
    the lard and the water. Mix well and knead on a lightly floured surface
    until smooth and elastic, between 5 and 10 minutes. Cover with a floured
    towel for about 20 minutes. Knead again and divide into 8 to 10 equal
    pieces. Sprinkle with flour and roll out into a 6- to 8-inch wide
    circle, about 1/4 inch thick. Dock (pierce) with a fork and cook on a
    dry griddle or cast iron frying pan for 2-3 minutes on each side.
    Test the pan with a few drops of cold water. It’s ready when the water
    skips and skitters across its surface. If the water just sits and boils,
    the pan is not hot enough to use. When it’s ready, drop a disk of dough
    onto the griddle. When cooked, little charred bubbles form on the dough.
    They need to be checked fairly regularly as the process goes quickly.
    When cooked, stack the piadine under a towel or tuck them into a paper
    bag so they stay warm.
    Piadine can be used as a base on which other foods are piled. In that
    case, serve warm with cured meats and fresh cheeses. A salad piled on it
    goes well with the chewy, dense texture. Or, brush lightly with olive
    oil, sprinkle with fresh chopped rosemary and salt like a foccacia.
    Alternatively, spread filling on one half of the piadina, fold over the
    other half and cut into two wedges, or sandwich the filling between two
    piadine and cut into quarters. Fillings can be chopped or ground
    cheeses, meats like mortadella, grilled and thinly sliced sausages or
    anything else that lends itself to being spread
    Or you can spread a thin layer of Nutella or something like it on half
    the uncooked piadina. Fold the other half over and crimp the edges. Cook
    as usual. Careful eating it, the filling will be hot.
    To reheat, brush lightly with olive oil, sprinkle with fresh chopped
    rosemary and salt and return to the oven for a few minutes. Serve warm.

    YEAST BREAD VARIANT OF PIADINE
    1 envelope active dry yeast (2 1/4 teaspoons)
    1 cup warm water (110?F)
    3 to 3 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
    2 tablespoons olive oil
    1 teaspoon salt
    olive oil to finish
    In a bowl, combine yeast, water and 2 tablespoons of the flour. Let
    proof about 5 minutes. Add 3 cups of flour, the oil, and salt, and stir
    with a heavy spoon to make a dough. Turn out onto a floured surface and
    knead until smooth, adding more flour if needed to make a soft but still
    slightly moist dough. Shape into a ball, dust with flour and cover with
    a floured towel to rise until doubled, about 45 minutes. Punch it down,
    knead, and cut into 8 equal pieces. Roll each piece to a circle about
    1/4-inch thick, 6 to 8 inches in diameter. Dock the dough and cook on
    the griddle as above until golden with some dark spots. Remove, brush
    lightly with the olive oil and repeat with the remaining dough. Roll the
    bread around the toppings of choice and serve warm
    In a processor, I put the yeast, water and a bit of flour in the bowl
    and let them work for 10 minutes or so. Then dump everything in and run
    it for about 45 seconds. It forms a ball. The dough should be soft and
    slightly sticky. I put it into sprayed bowl to rise. Cover with plastic
    wrap. Finish as above.

  5. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:118lv9fndj298f7
    @corp.supernews.com:

    Quoted message said:

    NAVAJO FRY BREAD
    Makes about a dozen and a half rounds.
    This one is popular all over the Southwest. Sometimes it's served
    sugared, other times as bread to accompany a meal.
    2 cups oil for frying
    4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    1 1/2 tablespoons salt
    2 1/2 cups warm milk

    Bob,

    For the Navajo Fry Bread,

    Can I use non-fat skim milk here, or is whole milk a must?

    Thanks,

    Andy

    --
    "Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles!"
    - Ed Sullivan (1964)

  6. Andy said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:118lv9fndj298f7
    @corp.supernews.com:

    Quoted message said:

    NAVAJO FRY BREAD
    Makes about a dozen and a half rounds.
    This one is popular all over the Southwest. Sometimes it's served
    sugared, other times as bread to accompany a meal.
    2 cups oil for frying
    4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    1 1/2 tablespoons salt
    2 1/2 cups warm milk

    Bob,

    For the Navajo Fry Bread,

    Can I use non-fat skim milk here, or is whole milk a must?

    I used 2% fat milk last time I did it at home. Couldn't see any
    difference. Skim should work, as well.

    Pastorio

  7. _.-In rec.food.cooking, Bob (this one) wrote the following -._

    Quoted message said:

    This year we did a version of Navajo Fry Bread and piadine, an Italian
    flat bread. Both call for lard. Most of the kids had never had any.
    Several parents wanted to "discuss" it with me. I said, "The recipe
    calls for lard. We'll use lard." The discussions died.

    I cook with lard fairly frequently.
    Nothing says good morning like potatoes fried in lard/bacon grease
    with a dash or two of seasoning.

    People freak when they hear this though. "You shouldn't do that, it
    will make you fat", "Lard is bad for you", "how can you eat that
    stuff?", "don't you worry about your health" and more comicly "I
    thought your hair looked a little kinky"[0].

    To any of them who make an issue of the health problems I point out
    that I can't maintain my figure without it. Which coming from a 6+
    foot person who is only 14.5 stone. Which promptly shuts them up.

    I have found this to be more effective then explaining to them that
    a) McDonald's fries aren't as tastier as they used to be (beef lard)
    b) If they moved more and ate less they too could enjoy a touch of
    lard
    c) people who weigh twice as much as I do don't get the right to tell
    me what I should or should not eat.
    d) moderation is the key. Less hamburgers and more home made cooking
    can do wonders for you.
    e) if they ate less diet food and more real food they might find life
    is fairly tastier. lard and all.

    In short people (mostly the white ones) have developed this phobia
    (unreasonable. illogical fear) of lard and it pisses me off.

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  8. Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andy wrote:

    > Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
    > news:[email hidden]:
    >
    >
    >> Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    >> place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    >> oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    >> some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and sprinkle
    >> with salt or garlic salt.
    >
    >
    > You're sprinkling the same side twice?
    >
    > I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    > everywhere.

    Or just use less oil. Covering it will steam the meat.

    Pastorio

    I cover it with a screen if it starts to pop; that lets most of the
    steam out but traps most of the flying grease.

    I don't use olive oil. I trim off a little fat and cook that first.
    If the meat is too lean to trim anything, I've been known to use a
    tablespoon of lard to cook the steaks in.

    This past week, I did my annual 4-H Creative Chefs extravaganza where we
    cook together - me and a couple dozen kids. It's always a blast and the
    kids get to cook and eat stuff.

    This year we did a version of Navajo Fry Bread and piadine, an Italian
    flat bread. Both call for lard. Most of the kids had never had any.
    Several parents wanted to "discuss" it with me. I said, "The recipe
    calls for lard. We'll use lard." The discussions died.

    The kids got flour all over themselves and bits of dough stuck to their
    clothes and hair. And all had a swell time and took home lots of cool
    stuff. Lard everywhere...

    Doncha love it when the same people that eat Oreos and Twinkies and
    cheap-cakes-from-the-supermarket-bakery that are frosted with Crisco
    want to preach at you about the evils of lard?

    I have several pounds of rendered beef fat from the whole brisket I
    roasted last weekend. I may use some of if for making pie crust; I've
    never tried using tallow in pastry instead of lard or solid vegetable
    shortening. If I don't like the results, I'll use the rest of the
    tallow for making soap -- mixing it about 50-50 with moderately cheap
    olive oil. If the pie crust turns out OK, I'll start using tallow
    instead of Armour lard when I bake.

    Now, what to do with that pound of rendered turkey fat in the fridge?
    It's an interesting one because half of if settled out as off-white
    solids at room temperature, and the rest was very slow to harden even in
    the fridge. It should be good for frying potatoes, but since I'm not
    eating much fried foods lately I might just throw it away.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  9. zxcvbob <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3f1a71F4t5skU1
    @individual.net:

    Quoted message said:

    Now, what to do with that pound of rendered turkey fat in the fridge?
    It's an interesting one because half of if settled out as off-white
    solids at room temperature, and the rest was very slow to harden even


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the fridge. It should be good for frying potatoes, but since I'm not
    eating much fried foods lately I might just throw it away.

    Best regards,
    Bob

    Glad you brought that up. Last weekend I roasted two whole chickens and
    poured the drippings into a measuring cup and put it in the fridge. It
    cooled and the top half is the pasty white and the bottom half is dark.

    Is the dark on the bottom the "schmaltz"? Or the other way around? Which
    part has the flavor or what?! Which should I use?

    I've got about half a bird of meat left and was thinking of putting the
    chicken (broken up) back in a pan and heat it back up in the fat and add
    some cream of chicken soup or something, and dish it into Italian rolls
    with provolone!

    Any thoughts?

    Andy

  10. I have to agree about the lard. My paternal grandmother lived to be 95. My
    maternal grandmother is 88 and her parents (died in the 1990s) lived to be
    95 (her) and 102 (him). My parents are in their 70s and going strong.
    Interestingly, as my paternal grandmother spent her last few years - in
    good health, getting around under her own power, and sharp as a tack - in
    an assisted living facilty, the place was full of elders just like her.

    I think the "trick" for all of them was a lifetime of fresh, home-grown
    foods and physical labor. It didn't much matter what they ate because the
    constant physical activity kept the body functioning the way it is
    supposed to. Today, it isn't so much the food as it is the growing and
    processing chemicals and the polution in the air and water and the
    decrease in physical activity.

    Elaine, too

    Faux_Pseudo said:

    _.-In rec.food.cooking, Bob (this one) wrote the following -._

    Quoted message said:

    This year we did a version of Navajo Fry Bread and piadine, an Italian
    flat bread. Both call for lard. Most of the kids had never had any.
    Several parents wanted to "discuss" it with me. I said, "The recipe
    calls for lard. We'll use lard." The discussions died.

    I cook with lard fairly frequently.
    Nothing says good morning like potatoes fried in lard/bacon grease
    with a dash or two of seasoning.

    People freak when they hear this though. "You shouldn't do that, it
    will make you fat", "Lard is bad for you", "how can you eat that
    stuff?", "don't you worry about your health" and more comicly "I
    thought your hair looked a little kinky"[0].

    To any of them who make an issue of the health problems I point out
    that I can't maintain my figure without it. Which coming from a 6+
    foot person who is only 14.5 stone. Which promptly shuts them up.

    I have found this to be more effective then explaining to them that
    a) McDonald's fries aren't as tastier as they used to be (beef lard)
    b) If they moved more and ate less they too could enjoy a touch of
    lard
    c) people who weigh twice as much as I do don't get the right to tell
    me what I should or should not eat.
    d) moderation is the key. Less hamburgers and more home made cooking
    can do wonders for you.
    e) if they ate less diet food and more real food they might find life
    is fairly tastier. lard and all.

    In short people (mostly the white ones) have developed this phobia
    (unreasonable. illogical fear) of lard and it pisses me off.

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    [0] The person who said that one was black so it was "OK".

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  11. Andy said:


    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:118lv9fndj298f7
    @corp.supernews.com:

    Quoted message said:

    NAVAJO FRY BREAD
    Makes about a dozen and a half rounds.
    This one is popular all over the Southwest. Sometimes it's served
    sugared, other times as bread to accompany a meal.
    2 cups oil for frying
    4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    1 1/2 tablespoons salt
    2 1/2 cups warm milk

    Bob,

    For the Navajo Fry Bread,

    Can I use non-fat skim milk here, or is whole milk a must?

    Thanks,

    Andy

    Works perfectly fine with skim milk or reconstituted milk powder (which
    some people on the Rez use).

    The same frybread mix can be used to make sopaipillas. Just roll out the
    dough, cut into squares and deep fry.

  12. Andy said:


    Glad you brought that up. Last weekend I roasted two whole chickens
    and poured the drippings into a measuring cup and put it in the
    fridge. It cooled and the top half is the pasty white and the bottom
    half is dark.

    Is the dark on the bottom the "schmaltz"? Or the other way around?
    Which part has the flavor or what?! Which should I use?

    The top, congealed, pale part is the fat/schmaltz. The dark, liquid
    portion on the bottom is juices. I usually don't save the fat, but it
    is good for frying potato latkes, and for mixing into matzoh ball
    dough. The juices should be full of roasted chicken flavor and will
    add a lot of taste to a gravy or sauce. -aem

  13. "aem" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1116462923.948869.80490
    @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:
    Andy said:


    Glad you brought that up. Last weekend I roasted two whole chickens
    and poured the drippings into a measuring cup and put it in the
    fridge. It cooled and the top half is the pasty white and the bottom
    half is dark.

    Is the dark on the bottom the "schmaltz"? Or the other way around?
    Which part has the flavor or what?! Which should I use?

    The top, congealed, pale part is the fat/schmaltz. The dark, liquid
    portion on the bottom is juices. I usually don't save the fat, but it
    is good for frying potato latkes, and for mixing into matzoh ball
    dough. The juices should be full of roasted chicken flavor and will
    add a lot of taste to a gravy or sauce. -aem

    aem,

    Thank you.

    I was debating making chopped chicken liver paté and a recipe called for
    schmaltz. Now that I have some, I should try a batch. I've had it before
    and it was delicious!

    So I'll use the juices to revive the remaining dryed out chicken and do
    the sandwiches.

    Thanks again,

    Andy

    --
    "Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles!"
    - Ed Sullivan (1964)

  14. "zxcvbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    > Andy wrote:
    >
    >> Daisy <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >> news:[email hidden]:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Sprinkle the steaks with garlic salt and
    >>> place salt-side down in the pan when the steaks make a sizzle. The
    >>> oil will spatter all over the place, so wear an all-cover apron of
    >>> some sort. After about 3 minutes, turn the steaks over and


    sprinkle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> with salt or garlic salt.
    >>
    >>
    >> You're sprinkling the same side twice?
    >>
    >> I'd try using a covered saute pan instead of letting grease fly
    >> everywhere.
    >
    >
    > Or just use less oil. Covering it will steam the meat.
    >
    > Pastorio

    I cover it with a screen if it starts to pop; that lets most of the
    steam out but traps most of the flying grease.

    I don't use olive oil. I trim off a little fat and cook that first.
    If the meat is too lean to trim anything, I've been known to use a
    tablespoon of lard to cook the steaks in.

    This past week, I did my annual 4-H Creative Chefs extravaganza where we
    cook together - me and a couple dozen kids. It's always a blast and the
    kids get to cook and eat stuff.

    This year we did a version of Navajo Fry Bread and piadine, an Italian
    flat bread. Both call for lard. Most of the kids had never had any.
    Several parents wanted to "discuss" it with me. I said, "The recipe
    calls for lard. We'll use lard." The discussions died.

    The kids got flour all over themselves and bits of dough stuck to their
    clothes and hair. And all had a swell time and took home lots of cool
    stuff. Lard everywhere...

    Doncha love it when the same people that eat Oreos and Twinkies and
    cheap-cakes-from-the-supermarket-bakery that are frosted with Crisco
    want to preach at you about the evils of lard?

    I have several pounds of rendered beef fat from the whole brisket I
    roasted last weekend. I may use some of if for making pie crust; I've
    never tried using tallow in pastry instead of lard or solid vegetable
    shortening. If I don't like the results, I'll use the rest of the
    tallow for making soap -- mixing it about 50-50 with moderately cheap
    olive oil. If the pie crust turns out OK, I'll start using tallow
    instead of Armour lard when I bake.

    Now, what to do with that pound of rendered turkey fat in the fridge?
    It's an interesting one because half of if settled out as off-white
    solids at room temperature, and the rest was very slow to harden even in
    the fridge. It should be good for frying potatoes, but since I'm not
    eating much fried foods lately I might just throw it away.

    For roasting veggies generally, potatoes especially. Goose fat has been used
    traditionally here (likely many places!) for oven roasted potatoes, and is
    still preferred by many, and lauded by many chefs. Maybe the turkey fat
    would prove a good substitute?

    Shaun aRe

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