Phentermine: Master Fatties Drug of Choice?

Quoted message said:

So here is my question:
if you're at crit nats, where you know they are
gonna test some people, and you probably aren't gonna
win, or even get a result, and you want some stimulation,
why not drink a few espressos? Why roll the dice by taking some
diet pill that probably isn't all that much more
effective than caffeine?
Hooked and you can't race without it maybe?
Wanted to lose lose those last 5 stubborn vanity pounds?
When is a diet pill worth a $153?

Stupidity? Like you said a few caffeine laden drinks and some extra
miles, or splitting it into 2 sessions will help keep the metabolism up
enough to get the last few pounds off. Lot's of placebo effect I think.
If your gonna spend the cash, and/or take the chance you've at least
got to go for the biggest bang for the buck that you're willing to risk
your health on.
As you pointed out though that it's all pretty moronic unless you have
the a legitimate chance to win something that actually counts.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

So here is my question:
if you're at crit nats, where you know they are
gonna test some people, and you probably aren't gonna
win, or even get a result, and you want some stimulation,
why not drink a few espressos? Why roll the dice by taking some
diet pill that probably isn't all that much more
effective than caffeine?
Hooked and you can't race without it maybe?
Wanted to lose lose those last 5 stubborn vanity pounds?
When is a diet pill worth a $153?

Quoted message said:

Stupidity? Like you said a few caffeine laden drinks and some extra
miles, or splitting it into 2 sessions will help keep the metabolism up
enough to get the last few pounds off.

any drug that can raise your metabolism enough to be useful for weight
loss is pretty much guaranteed to be dangerous. all that extra energy
being burned has to go somewhere.

the supposed increase in metabolic rate post-exercise, or from caffiene
is a drop in the bucket compared to what you'd burn in even a 1 hr
workout.

amit said:

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

So here is my question:
if you're at crit nats, where you know they are
gonna test some people, and you probably aren't gonna
win, or even get a result, and you want some stimulation,
why not drink a few espressos? Why roll the dice by taking some
diet pill that probably isn't all that much more
effective than caffeine?
Hooked and you can't race without it maybe?
Wanted to lose lose those last 5 stubborn vanity pounds?
When is a diet pill worth a $153?

Quoted message said:

Stupidity? Like you said a few caffeine laden drinks and some extra
miles, or splitting it into 2 sessions will help keep the metabolism up
enough to get the last few pounds off.

any drug that can raise your metabolism enough to be useful for weight
loss is pretty much guaranteed to be dangerous. all that extra energy
being burned has to go somewhere.

the supposed increase in metabolic rate post-exercise, or from caffiene
is a drop in the bucket compared to what you'd burn in even a 1 hr
workout.

I totally agree on the drugs.
I wouldn't call the increase in metabolic rate insignificant as an
added benefit from the training. Compared to competitive cyclists it
sure is, but most people don't put in that level of effort over that
kind of time frame. Especially when you are trying to retain and build
mass. It's a nice bonus you can and should take advantage of.
http://www.naturalstrength.com/research/detail.asp?ArticleID=203

http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/epoc.html

EPOC remained elevated throughout the three-hour postexercise
measurement phase and was measured every 30 minutes. It was 13 percent
higher than pre-exercise baseline oxygen consumption (VO2) in the final
measurement stage. The subjects' average RMR was 4.2 percent higher
16 hours following exercise, when compared to the pre-workout RMR. The
authors concluded that intense resistance training produces modest, but
prolonged elevation of postexercise metabolic rate in women.
(snip)
Osterberg However, it should be emphasized that the overall
weight-control benefits of EPOC, for men and women, from participation
in resistance exercise occur over a significant time period, since
kilocalories are expended at a low rate in the individual postexercise
sessions.

Bill C

Bill C said:

amit said:

Bill C said:

[email hidden] wrote:

> So here is my question:
> if you're at crit nats, where you know they are
> gonna test some people, and you probably aren't gonna
> win, or even get a result, and you want some stimulation,
> why not drink a few espressos? Why roll the dice by taking some
> diet pill that probably isn't all that much more
> effective than caffeine?
> Hooked and you can't race without it maybe?
> Wanted to lose lose those last 5 stubborn vanity pounds?
> When is a diet pill worth a $153?

Quoted message said:

Stupidity? Like you said a few caffeine laden drinks and some extra
miles, or splitting it into 2 sessions will help keep the metabolism up
enough to get the last few pounds off.

any drug that can raise your metabolism enough to be useful for weight
loss is pretty much guaranteed to be dangerous. all that extra energy
being burned has to go somewhere.

the supposed increase in metabolic rate post-exercise, or from caffiene
is a drop in the bucket compared to what you'd burn in even a 1 hr
workout.

I totally agree on the drugs.
I wouldn't call the increase in metabolic rate insignificant as an
added benefit from the training. Compared to competitive cyclists it
sure is, but most people don't put in that level of effort over that
kind of time frame. Especially when you are trying to retain and build
mass. It's a nice bonus you can and should take advantage of.
http://www.naturalstrength.com/research/detail.asp?ArticleID=203

http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/epoc.html

EPOC remained elevated throughout the three-hour postexercise
measurement phase and was measured every 30 minutes. It was 13 percent
higher than pre-exercise baseline oxygen consumption (VO2) in the final
measurement stage. The subjects' average RMR was 4.2 percent higher
16 hours following exercise, when compared to the pre-workout RMR. The
authors concluded that intense resistance training produces modest, but
prolonged elevation of postexercise metabolic rate in women.
(snip)
Osterberg However, it should be emphasized that the overall
weight-control benefits of EPOC, for men and women, from participation
in resistance exercise occur over a significant time period, since
kilocalories are expended at a low rate in the individual postexercise
sessions.

dumbass,

interesting. thanks.

i imagine someone has also looked at the EPOC after aerobic workouts ?

also, it's nice to see what lenny kravitz is doing now, since he's not
making hit records.