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  1. Original post
    Ewoud Dronkert
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    From VRT teletext, my translation:

    Marc Lotz, the Dutch rider from Quick-Step, has resigned from the team.
    He admitted EPO use and faced the consequences. "During a court
    investigation I admitted the use of EPO for the Tour. The pressure to
    not let my team and surroundings down, made me seek refuge in taking
    EPO. I realize now that my behaviour is unacceptable. I don't want to
    avoid any responsibility and therefore resign from Quick-Step. This way
    I hope not to do damage to my team", said Lotz.
    When or how Marc Lotz was caught, he didn't say. By admitting the facts
    he hopes to be able to find some peace with his family. "I regret to
    have betrayed the trust of my team, family and fans", said Lotz to press
    agency Belga. "I ask the press to give me and my family the time and
    peace to get through all this."
    Marc Lotz is 31 and previously rode 8 years for Rabobank. Last year the
    Dutchman took a chance and switched to Quick-Step. He now risks a 2 year
    suspension.

    From http://193.121.55.225/tt/tt.php?p=421&g=0&s=1&r=0&x=1

    Marc Lotz, de Nederlandse renner van
    Quick-Step, heeft ontslag genomen bij
    de ploeg. Hij gaf toe dat hij epo ge-
    bruikte en houdt de eer aan zichzelf.

    "In het kader van een gerechterlijk
    onderzoek heb ik toegegeven epo te
    gebruiken met het oog op de Tour. De
    drang om de ploeg en mijn omgeving niet
    teleur te stellen, zorgde ervoor dat ik
    mijn toevlucht nam tot epo. Ik besef nu
    dat mijn gedrag onaanvaardbaar is."

    "Ik wil mijn verantwoordelijkheid niet
    ontlopen en dien daarom mijn ontslag in
    bij Quick-Step. Ik hoop dat ik zo mijn
    ploeg geen schade berokken", zei Lotz.

    Wanneer of hoe Marc Lotz betrapt werd,
    vertelde hij niet. Hij hoopt dat hij
    door het toegeven van de feiten bij
    zijn familie tot rust kan komen.

    "Ik betreur dat ik het vertrouwen van
    mijn ploeg, familie en supporters ge-
    schaad heb", vertelde Lotz aan het
    persagentshap Belga. "Ik verzoek dat de
    pers mij en mijn familie de tijd en de
    rust geeft om dit alles te verwerken."

    Marc Lotz is 31 en reed eerst acht jaar
    voor Rabobank. De Nederlander waagde
    vorige zomer de overstap naar Quick-
    Step. Marc Lotz riskeert een schorsing
    van twee jaar.

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  2. Robert Chung
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    From VRT teletext, my translation:

    Marc Lotz, the Dutch rider from Quick-Step, has resigned from the team.
    He admitted EPO use and faced the consequences. "During a court
    investigation I admitted the use of EPO for the Tour.

    He was still riding for Rabobank during the 2004 Tour.

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  3. Ewoud Dronkert
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    Robert Chung said:
    Quoted message said:

    admitted the use of EPO for the Tour.

    He was still riding for Rabobank during the 2004 Tour.

    Yes, but his wording is multi interpretable, "met het oog op" means for
    the purpose of, not necessarily before. So it could be last year's or
    the upcoming, or really any Tour. I thought last year's was most likely,
    but teletext has added a reaction of Lefevere: "I don't think Quick-Step
    now has to fear being banned from the Tour. This is not an organized
    thing. Only one rider doing stupid things." Which suggests the EPO use
    took place while Lotz was in QS's employ. <sigh of relief>

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  4. Robert Chung
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    Which suggests the EPO use
    took place while Lotz was in QS's employ. <sigh of relief>

    Do you think that EPO use can be episodic?

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  5. Robert Chung
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    Robert Chung said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    Which suggests the EPO use
    took place while Lotz was in QS's employ. <sigh of relief>

    Do you think that EPO use can be episodic?

    Not just EPO. Do you think that doping can be episodic?

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  6. Curtis L. Russell
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    On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:10:51 +0200, "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Not just EPO. Do you think that doping can be episodic?

    Yes, in general. Best that you choose the right drug, though.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

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  7. Ewoud Dronkert
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    Robert Chung said:
    Quoted message said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    Which suggests the EPO use took place while Lotz
    was in QS's employ. <sigh of relief>

    Do you think that EPO use can be episodic?

    Not just EPO. Do you think that doping can be episodic?

    Well, I wouldn't know really, I guess so. I do think the pressure of
    performing for a new team may have been higher than what he felt after
    riding for Rabobank for 8 years.

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  8. Robert Chung
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Robert Chung said:

    Do you think that doping can be episodic?

    Well, I wouldn't know really, I guess so. I do think the pressure of
    performing for a new team may have been higher than what he felt after
    riding for Rabobank for 8 years.

    Perhaps. Maybe he switched to QS because he saw the writing on the wall at
    Rabobank and figured he needed to show results. In any event, I think that
    it's too simple, too black and white, to think in terms of "who's a
    doper?" as if riders could be classified from birth as "never dopers" and
    "always dopers." I think the reasons why riders dope are more complex and
    many will decide on an event-to-event basis, for one race, or for one
    contract renewal, or maybe for one mortgage payment. It's more interesting
    to ask "under which conditions might riders decide to dope at a particular
    time?" Pressure varies, stress varies. Why wouldn't the response to
    pressure and stress result in varying decisions about doping?

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  9. Morgan Fletcher
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    Robert Chung said:

    Perhaps. Maybe he switched to QS because he saw the writing on the wall
    at Rabobank and figured he needed to show results. In any event, I think
    that it's too simple, too black and white, to think in terms of "who's a
    doper?" as if riders could be classified from birth as "never dopers" and
    "always dopers." I think the reasons why riders dope are more complex and
    many will decide on an event-to-event basis, for one race, or for one
    contract renewal, or maybe for one mortgage payment. It's more
    interesting to ask "under which conditions might riders decide to dope at
    a particular time?" Pressure varies, stress varies. Why wouldn't the
    response to pressure and stress result in varying decisions about doping?

    I don't know. It is a fascinating question.

    I think Fotheringham's _Put me back on my bike - In search of Tom Simpson_
    did a good job of looking into the rationale behind doping, even if the
    technology and doping culture might have changed a lot in the meantime.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2003/reviews/tomsimpsonbook

    I thought the writing was so-so and that it went over the same stuff a bit
    too much, but it was a quick read. I'd recommend it.

    Morgan
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  10. Bart Van Hoorebeeck
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    I immediately thought he was talking about this year, with his reference to
    the pressure.

    RC,
    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after episodic
    use?
    - Lance post-treatment
    - The Festina guys carrying on -with relative succes- until a more elevated
    age than the average pro.

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  11. Robert Chung
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    Bart Van Hoorebeeck said:

    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    episodic use?
    - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Quoted message said:

    - The Festina guys carrying on -with relative succes- until a more
    elevated age than the average pro.

    Museeuw?

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  12. B. Lafferty
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    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bart Van Hoorebeeck said:

    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    episodic use?
    - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    - The Festina guys carrying on -with relative succes- until a more
    elevated age than the average pro.

    Museeuw?

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  13. Robert Chung
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    B. Lafferty said:

    "Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Bart Van Hoorebeeck said:

    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    episodic use?
    - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    That's 'cuz your dopiness is continuous, not episodic.

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  14. B. Lafferty
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    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    "Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Bart Van Hoorebeeck wrote:
    > Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    > episodic use?
    > - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    That's 'cuz your dopiness is continuous, not episodic.

    Oh.

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  15. Donald Munro
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    Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    B. Lafferty said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's 'cuz your dopiness is continuous, not episodic.

    B. Lafferty said:

    Oh.

    Something about penguins and nuns might have been appropriate here.

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  16. Robert Chung
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    Donald Munro said:

    Something about penguins and nuns might have been appropriate here.

    Pingouins live in the northern hemisphere.

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  17. B. Lafferty
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    "Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    B. Lafferty said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Gee, I didn't know that.

    Robert Chung" wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's 'cuz your dopiness is continuous, not episodic.

    B. Lafferty said:

    Oh.

    Something about penguins and nuns might have been appropriate here.

    :-)

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  18. gym.gravity
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    Bart Van Hoorebeeck said:

    I immediately thought he was talking about this year, with his reference to
    the pressure.

    RC,
    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after episodic
    use?
    - Lance post-treatment
    - The Festina guys carrying on -with relative succes- until a more elevated
    age than the average pro.

    Who knows. But EPO does more in the body than to stimulate the
    production of red cells. It responds to anoxia. A lesser known effect
    is angiogenesis. In cyclists terms, capilliarization.

    I would think a Pro would have done enough riding over the years to
    have developed the capillary beds of their thighs to the fullest.
    Maybe not.

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  19. keynes' old slave
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    B. Lafferty said:


    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bart Van Hoorebeeck said:

    Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    episodic use?
    - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    I don't know what you think either.

    That RC reads you close enough to "know" is funny.

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  20. B. Lafferty
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    "keynes' old slave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:


    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Bart Van Hoorebeeck wrote:
    > Doesn't EPO have a strong record when it comes to effectivity after
    > episodic use?
    > - Lance post-treatment

    Brian thinks that LANCE's use is continuous, not episodic.

    Gee, I didn't know that.

    I don't know what you think either.

    That RC reads you close enough to "know" is funny.

    I see.

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