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Re: Bike Lane vs Wide outside Lane - benefit to AUTOS?

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  1. Werehatrack said:

    Multi-use paths, however, with joggers, kids on razors, and roller
    skaters, are not a good solution, despite being a less risky one than
    shared lanes. Unfortunately, that is what's often implemented as a
    compromise because bike usage is not viewed as being high enough to
    justify dedicated paths.

    I view this as a chicken-and-egg problem. It is difficult to convince
    those holding the public purse strings to properly accomodate a form
    of transportation which they can't see present in the numbers that
    would justify it. However, without safe and useful routes available,
    it is hard to convince people that a bike is a good choice for
    commuting.

    Here in Houston, millions of dollars in funds allocated for
    construction of bike paths were spent on consultant fees (to no one's
    benefit but the consultant) rather than being used to build bike paths
    on suitable rights-of-way that were already owned by the city. As a
    result, there now isn't enough in the budget to hook together several
    very good path projects which would, if the original plans had been
    executed, have linked my neightborhood with downtown via an entirely
    dedicated path system. It would be an understatement to say that
    there are a few of us who are a bit annoyed.

    I lived in Houston for a few years. Let's see, what was the name of
    that street that they restriped for bike lane usage, which justifiably
    PO'd the drivers who commuted there every day? A few blocks toward the
    Med Center from Stella Link?

    As long as other forms of life are allowed on "bikepaths" (like Bray's
    Bayou), cyclists will be lowest on the food chain. That's the social
    thing here in the USA. In Austin, (having re-established residency in a
    supposedly bike-friendly town), Shoal Creek Boulevard, maybe the best
    "bike street" in town, was recently messed up by the drive to establish
    separate bike lanes. Loony plans to take the car lanes from one side to
    the other, to establish alternate street parking zones (i.e., taking
    homefront parking away from more than half the residents of SCB),
    resulted in "traffic islands", concrete curb-like obstructions meant to
    stop motor vehicles from driving two abreast, were installed, with the
    MV's moved to the center of the road via a white lane stripe on the
    right. Now it's more difficult for everybody. DUH. Plus, many days
    there are more "islands" than parked vehicles-- IOW, obstructions to
    safe passage have increased, with some being permanent (hoping not)
    since they can't be started up and driven away. This was resident
    reaction to a perceived incursion by "bikers", and the "transportation
    experts" (city employees, some of them) who were going to take their
    parking away and basically screw up their neighborhood for no good
    reason.

    The street could have been re-striped with a solid lane line, and a
    dashed bike/ped line inside it (closer to the curb). PLUS some
    legislation to the effect that one might drive, park, whatever inside
    the bike lane, but that collisions with bikers (or any peds, skaters,
    moms walking kids, etc.) inside the dashed line would be assumed to be
    the motorist's fault. Nice fat fine, plus determining whose insurance
    company covers the damages.

    I can remember being in Denver 20-odd years ago when some of their
    streets were striped with dashed lines for cyclists/ped lanes, and
    public service announcements on radio (maybe TV too, I heard the radio
    spots) were given explaining the new rules. You can believe the
    motorists "got the message". What was so hard about that?

    Given the resentment directed toward cyclists in this country, and we
    are the handiest scapegoats around, plus the small numbers of commuters
    available to "justify" spending money, dedicated bike lanes, etc. are
    pie-in-the-sky. Don't worry, when we run out of oil, this will all get
    better... --TP

  2. Quoted message said:

    ... In Austin, (having re-established residency in a
    supposedly bike-friendly town), Shoal Creek Boulevard, maybe the best
    "bike street" in town, was recently messed up by the drive to establish
    separate bike lanes. Loony plans to take the car lanes from one side to
    the other, to establish alternate street parking zones (i.e., taking
    homefront parking away from more than half the residents of SCB),
    resulted in "traffic islands", concrete curb-like obstructions meant to
    stop motor vehicles from driving two abreast, were installed, with the
    MV's moved to the center of the road via a white lane stripe on the
    right. Now it's more difficult for everybody. DUH. Plus, many days
    there are more "islands" than parked vehicles-- IOW, obstructions to
    safe passage have increased, with some being permanent (hoping not)
    since they can't be started up and driven away. This was resident
    reaction to a perceived incursion by "bikers", and the "transportation
    experts" (city employees, some of them) who were going to take their
    parking away and basically screw up their neighborhood for no good
    reason.

    Heights Boulevard here in Houston used to be a four-lane road from
    near I-10 up to 20th St, with a wide median that was mostly trees and
    grass. It now has one vehicle lane each way (well marked, normal
    width) and a very wide shoulder lane that's reserved for bikes and
    *parked* cars. It works surprisingly well. Even a dual-wheel pickup
    parked a foot and a half from the curb still leaves a good four feet
    of space to get by, better than the width of many of the striped bike
    lanes. Peddies aren't a problem; they're on the jogging path down the
    median strip, which now has added landscaping and the occasional
    gazebo. The bike lane is even wide enough that it's possible to
    cruise right past a city bus stopped at the bus stops. The only
    poblem is that in many respects, it's a bike lane to nowhere. Several
    "bike routes" cross it, but these are mostly of the "we made a mark on
    a map and called it a bike route" nature, not (for the most part)
    dedicated right-of-way (striped or otherwise) that has been provided.
    If the old railroad right-of-way from the MKT ever gets converted to
    a bike path as was originally planned, the Heights Boulevard bike
    lanes will hook to something pretty useful...but that's a long way off
    at this point, if it ever happens.

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  3. Werehatrack said:

    Heights Boulevard here in Houston used to be a four-lane road from
    near I-10 up to 20th St, with a wide median that was mostly trees and
    grass. It now has one vehicle lane each way (well marked, normal
    width) and a very wide shoulder lane that's reserved for bikes and
    *parked* cars. It works surprisingly well.

    The only time I regularly rode off a bikepath in Houston was with a
    group, so anything that works there is a surprise (IMHO).

    Quoted message said:

    The only
    poblem is that in many respects, it's a bike lane to nowhere. Several
    "bike routes" cross it, but these are mostly of the "we made a mark on
    a map and called it a bike route" nature, not (for the most part)
    dedicated right-of-way (striped or otherwise) that has been provided.

    I'm all for the Amsterdam model, don't get me wrong, but the reason
    bikes are #1 pecking order there is that they are somewhat of a
    majority. Here, I'm happy with/without stripes, let alone "dedicated
    lanes" (not until the oil runs out in the USA), depending on the
    average motorist attitude, so to speak. That's the problem in Houston,
    where during my (almost) four years there, at least a couple of groups
    of cyclists were struck by cars, with fatalities. IOW, deliberate
    actions by crazed motorists. In Austin, the bikepaths are suggested
    routes that "we" sometimes follow, sometimes not. It's a different
    world here. Not to say anything nirvana-like.

    Quoted message said:

    If the old railroad right-of-way from the MKT ever gets converted to
    a bike path as was originally planned, the Heights Boulevard bike
    lanes will hook to something pretty useful...but that's a long way off
    at this point, if it ever happens.

    Well, maybe after the new Womens Field Hockey stadium is built for the
    2xxx Olympics... (ref., "Sports Arena/Medical Center Trolley Scam"😉.

    I used to ride the Wed. Nighter from Planetary Cycles. Out to UofH,
    then to downtown, to Memorial Park, the Galleria (or close), home on N.
    (which runs east-west) Braeswood. Craziest thing I've ever done on a
    bicycle. Great ride, fun people. But somewhat nuts... --TP

  4. Quoted message said:
    Werehatrack said:

    Heights Boulevard here in Houston used to be a four-lane road from
    near I-10 up to 20th St, with a wide median that was mostly trees and
    grass. It now has one vehicle lane each way (well marked, normal
    width) and a very wide shoulder lane that's reserved for bikes and
    *parked* cars. It works surprisingly well.

    The only time I regularly rode off a bikepath in Houston was with a
    group, so anything that works there is a surprise (IMHO).

    Still true, unfortunately.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The only
    poblem is that in many respects, it's a bike lane to nowhere. Several
    "bike routes" cross it, but these are mostly of the "we made a mark on
    a map and called it a bike route" nature, not (for the most part)
    dedicated right-of-way (striped or otherwise) that has been provided.

    I'm all for the Amsterdam model, don't get me wrong, but the reason
    bikes are #1 pecking order there is that they are somewhat of a
    majority. Here, I'm happy with/without stripes, let alone "dedicated
    lanes" (not until the oil runs out in the USA), depending on the
    average motorist attitude, so to speak. That's the problem in Houston,
    where during my (almost) four years there, at least a couple of groups
    of cyclists were struck by cars, with fatalities. IOW, deliberate
    actions by crazed motorists. In Austin, the bikepaths are suggested
    routes that "we" sometimes follow, sometimes not. It's a different
    world here. Not to say anything nirvana-like.

    The daughter-unit returned a similar report after a recent sojourn to
    the last sign of civilization on 290, and has been pestering me to
    remount the racks on the Escort for a weekend run; it might happen in
    July.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If the old railroad right-of-way from the MKT ever gets converted to
    a bike path as was originally planned, the Heights Boulevard bike
    lanes will hook to something pretty useful...but that's a long way off
    at this point, if it ever happens.

    Well, maybe after the new Womens Field Hockey stadium is built for the
    2xxx Olympics... (ref., "Sports Arena/Medical Center Trolley Scam"😉.

    A minor sign of sanity has been seen in that debacle's aftermath;
    having destroyed the utility of Main Street for any useful purpose by
    putting the rails down the middle of it, they've now figured out that
    the line is never going to be useful until they extend it to somewhere
    that people might want to go in that manner; there is serious talk of
    running it out to Hobby Airport, and the consensus is that this would
    probably work if they also make sure it goes past a number of cheap
    park-n-ride lots. But when it comes to sports palace atrocities, at
    least the recent pronouncements from the IOC have at last quashed the
    remaining enthusiasm for trying to lure an Olympic-size debacle to
    Houston. The IOC has openly stated that due to security concerns,
    priority in selection will be given to locales that are NOT large
    cities. This is perhaps the best thing that could happen to the
    Olympics; take the spectacle out, and let it go back to being a
    competition.

    Quoted message said:

    I used to ride the Wed. Nighter from Planetary Cycles. Out to UofH,
    then to downtown, to Memorial Park, the Galleria (or close), home on N.
    (which runs east-west) Braeswood. Craziest thing I've ever done on a
    bicycle. Great ride, fun people. But somewhat nuts...

    No more nuts than some of the other rides. Heck, the Tour de Pants
    was pretty close to that route. For a less structured but equally
    eclectic run, try tagging along with the Urban Animals sometime, if
    they're in the mood. (They've been banned from Rice U now because
    there's a snob in the administration who's terrified that their
    rollerblades might tear up the tiles around his pet fountain.)
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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