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  1. I'm confused about the trans fats present in cow's milk. I've seen it
    argued that they're bad for us because they're trans fats, and on the
    other hand that the trans fats in milk are natural biologically
    compatible trans fats. Perhaps like lactose intolerance it depends on
    genetics?

    I ask because I'm 60 with high blood pressure, early well controlled
    diabetes, and have had at least one minor heart attack. I have always
    eaten a lot of cheese. So I'm wondering if I should back off from
    dairy products, and if so, whether goat's milk might be acceptable.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  2. On 10 Jun 2005 08:05:26 GMT, Chris Malcolm wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm confused about the trans fats present in cow's milk.

    What quantities of trans fats would low-fat milk contain?

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
    for average trans fatty acids content in some foods (milk is missing
    though). Percentages are on total fat, not on total weight.

    That table shows that trans fats in butter are 5% on total fat,
    In margarines, trans fats are up to 23%, but "a spreadable tub margarine is
    less hydrogenated and so has fewer trans fats than a stick margarine", says
    the Harvard Public School of Health web site.

    70% Soybean Oil, Stick = 23% trans fats
    67% Corn & Soybean Oil Spread, Tub = 11% trans fats
    48% Soybean Oil Spread, Tub = 8% trans fats
    60% Sunflower, Soybean, and Canola Oil Spread, Tub = 5% trans fats

    Shortening = 18% trans fats

    Harvard also reminds that
    "Most of the trans fats in the American diet are found in commercially
    prepared baked goods, margarines, snack foods, and processed foods.
    Commercially prepared fried foods, like French fries and onion rings, also
    contain a good deal of trans fat."

    Quoted message said:

    argued that they're bad for us because they're trans fats, and on the
    other hand that the trans fats in milk are natural biologically
    compatible trans fats. Perhaps like lactose intolerance it depends on
    genetics?

    I ask because I'm 60 with high blood pressure, early well controlled
    diabetes, and have had at least one minor heart attack. I have always
    eaten a lot of cheese. So I'm wondering if I should back off from
    dairy products, and if so, whether goat's milk might be acceptable.

  3. Enrico C wrote:
    :: On 10 Jun 2005 08:05:26 GMT, Chris Malcolm wrote in
    :: <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :
    ::
    ::: I'm confused about the trans fats present in cow's milk.
    ::
    :: What quantities of trans fats would low-fat milk contain?
    ::
    :: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
    :: for average trans fatty acids content in some foods (milk is missing
    :: though). Percentages are on total fat, not on total weight.
    ::
    :: That table shows that trans fats in butter are 5% on total fat,
    :: In margarines, trans fats are up to 23%, but "a spreadable tub
    :: margarine is less hydrogenated and so has fewer trans fats than a
    :: stick margarine", says the Harvard Public School of Health web site.
    ::
    :: 70% Soybean Oil, Stick = 23% trans fats
    :: 67% Corn & Soybean Oil Spread, Tub = 11% trans fats
    :: 48% Soybean Oil Spread, Tub = 8% trans fats
    :: 60% Sunflower, Soybean, and Canola Oil Spread, Tub = 5% trans fats
    ::
    :: Shortening = 18% trans fats

    That might be the situation in US markets but in the European markets it is
    different. In Finland where I live all of the consumer margarines contain
    less than 1 % transfat.

    This file has the the amounts of transfats in the margarines available in
    the Finnish consumer markets. Unfortunately the file is in Finnish but
    'trans' is 'trans' also in Finnish so it should not be a problem to check
    it:

    http://www.margariinitiedotus.fi/julkaisut/Vk_ma05.pdf

    :: Harvard also reminds that
    :: "Most of the trans fats in the American diet are found in
    :: commercially prepared baked goods, margarines, snack foods, and
    :: processed foods. Commercially prepared fried foods, like French
    :: fries and onion rings, also contain a good deal of trans fat."
    ::
    ::: argued that they're bad for us because they're trans fats, and on
    ::: the other hand that the trans fats in milk are natural biologically
    ::: compatible trans fats. Perhaps like lactose intolerance it depends
    ::: on genetics?
    :::
    ::: I ask because I'm 60 with high blood pressure, early well controlled
    ::: diabetes, and have had at least one minor heart attack. I have
    ::: always eaten a lot of cheese. So I'm wondering if I should back off
    ::: from dairy products, and if so, whether goat's milk might be
    ::: acceptable.

    Goat milk is probably better. It contain more lauric acid and CLA than cow's
    milk.

    --
    Juhana

  4. Chris Malcolm said:

    I'm confused about the trans fats present in cow's milk. I've seen it
    argued that they're bad for us because they're trans fats, and on the
    other hand that the trans fats in milk are natural biologically
    compatible trans fats. Perhaps like lactose intolerance it depends on
    genetics?

    I ask because I'm 60 with high blood pressure, early well controlled
    diabetes, and have had at least one minor heart attack. I have always
    eaten a lot of cheese. So I'm wondering if I should back off from
    dairy products, and if so, whether goat's milk might be acceptable.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

    Trans fat in milk, AFAIK, is _not_ the same chemically as trans fat
    made by man. It has its own special name even. It's called rumenic
    acid. There are many different types of CLA (a trans fat). If you
    look at studies, some at least will show that natural CLA (rumenic
    acid) is more beneficial than commercially made CLA.

  5. On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:59:35 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    That might be the situation in US markets but in the European markets it is
    different. In Finland where I live all of the consumer margarines contain
    less than 1 % transfat.

    This file has the the amounts of transfats in the margarines available in
    the Finnish consumer markets. Unfortunately the file is in Finnish but
    'trans' is 'trans' also in Finnish so it should not be a problem to check
    it:

    http://www.margariinitiedotus.fi/julkaisut/Vk_ma05.pdf

    What are the other food names other than "margarines"?

    MARGARIINIT, KASVIRASVALEVITTEET, LEIVONTA- JA RUOANVALMISTUSMARGARIINIT,
    JUOKSEVAT KASVIÖLJYVALMISTEET JA KASVIÖLJYT

    Thank you!

    --
    Enrico C
    ==================================

  6. Enrico C wrote:
    :: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:59:35 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
    :: <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :
    ::
    ::: That might be the situation in US markets but in the European
    ::: markets it is different. In Finland where I live all of the
    ::: consumer margarines contain less than 1 % transfat.
    :::
    ::: This file has the the amounts of transfats in the margarines
    ::: available in the Finnish consumer markets. Unfortunately the file
    ::: is in Finnish but 'trans' is 'trans' also in Finnish so it should
    ::: not be a problem to check it:
    :::
    ::: http://www.margariinitiedotus.fi/julkaisut/Vk_ma05.pdf
    ::
    ::
    :: What are the other food names other than "margarines"?
    ::
    :: MARGARIINIT

    = margarines

    :: KASVIRASVALEVITTEET,

    = vegetable spreads

    :: LEIVONTA- JA RUOANVALMISTUSMARGARIINIT

    = margarines for baking and cooking (I am not recommending these!)

    :: JUOKSEVAT KASVIÖLJYVALMISTEET

    = liquid vegetable oil products

    :: KASVIÖLJYT

    = vegetable oils

    :: Thank you!

    You are welcome.

    ::
    :: --
    :: Enrico C

    --
    Juhana

  7. Juhana Harju wrote:
    :: Enrico C wrote:
    :::: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:59:35 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
    :::: <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :
    ::::
    ::::: That might be the situation in US markets but in the European
    ::::: markets it is different. In Finland where I live all of the
    ::::: consumer margarines contain less than 1 % transfat.
    :::::
    ::::: This file has the the amounts of transfats in the margarines
    ::::: available in the Finnish consumer markets. Unfortunately the file
    ::::: is in Finnish but 'trans' is 'trans' also in Finnish so it should
    ::::: not be a problem to check it:
    :::::
    ::::: http://www.margariinitiedotus.fi/julkaisut/Vk_ma05.pdf
    ::::
    ::::
    :::: What are the other food names other than "margarines"?
    ::::
    :::: MARGARIINIT
    ::
    :: = margarines
    ::
    :::: KASVIRASVALEVITTEET,
    ::
    :: = vegetable spreads

    Correction: this should be 'vegetable fat spreads'.

    --
    Juhana

  8. On 10 Jun 2005 10:02:58 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Malcolm said:

    [15 quoted lines suppressed]

    Trans fat in milk, AFAIK, is _not_ the same chemically as trans fat
    made by man. It has its own special name even. It's called rumenic
    acid. There are many different types of CLA (a trans fat). If you
    look at studies, some at least will show that natural CLA (rumenic
    acid) is more beneficial than commercially made CLA.

    That's what the "Campaign against trans fats in food" web site says too,
    about natural trans fats.

    http://www.tfx.org.uk/page62.html

    =================================0

    Naturally occurring trans fats

    Some trans fats occur naturally in the digestive system of ruminant animals
    such as cows, sheep and goats. Some trans fat is therefore present in meat,
    milk and other dairy produce.

    According to the The US Department of Agriculture, these trans fats make up
    15 to 20 percent of the total trans fat intake in our diet. Others believe
    that these natural trans fats occur at much lower levels. According to Fran
    McCullough, author of The Good Fat Cookbook, these natural trans fats occur
    at "minute" levels, and our total intake of trans fats has increased by 25
    times over the introduction of hydrogenated vegetable oils.

    Most importantly, however, naturally occurring trans fats do not share the
    harmful properties of the synthetic trans fat resulting from hydrogenation.
    For example, Conjugated Linoleic Acids (CLA), are health-promoting with
    specific roles to play in our bodies.

    Thus, COMA reports,

    "Willet et al reported findings from the Nurses Health Study, a
    prospective study involving more than 85,000 women, showing that intake of
    trans fatty acids was significantly and independently associated with
    incidence of CHD. The association was only seen for for trans fatty isomers
    from hydrogenated vegetable oils. The mainly different trans isomers from
    ruminant fats did not show such an association. A case-control study in 239
    people suffering an acute myocardial infarction found that after adjustment
    for age, sex and energy intake, intake of trans fatty acids was directly
    related to risk of myocardial infarction. Those with the highest intake of
    trans fatty acids had twice the risk of myocardial infarction as those with
    the lowest intakes after adjusting for other cardiovascular risk factors.
    As with the Nurses Health Study, the association was only seen for trans
    isomers from partially hydrogenated vegetable oils."

    From: Department of Health (1994) Nutritional Aspects of Cardiovascular
    Disease, Report of the Cardiovascular Review Group of the Committee of
    Medical Aspects of Food Policy (COMA). Report No. 46. London: HMSO. See
    longer extracts about trans fats here.

    The Danish Nutrition Council similarly states in The influence of trans
    fatty acids on health - 2003 update, 10/03/2003 (Summary):

    "Available data suggest that ruminant trans fatty acids, especially
    concerning the effect on cardiovascular risk, do not possess the same
    unfavourable effects as industrially produced trans fatty acids. The
    content of trans fatty acids in industrially hydrogenated fats may reach 60
    percent of the fatty acids. The equivalent number for ruminant fat is 2-5
    percent."

    Likewise, according to the International Dairy Federation (submission to
    the World Health Organisation, June 2002):

    There is a need to differentiate the trans fatty acids. We agree on the
    negative impact of hydrogenated oils and fats but natural trans fatty acid
    like CLAs (conjugated linoleic acids) present in meat and dairy products
    play a specific role on plasma lipids and cardiovascular function. [Khosla
    P, Fungwe TV, Conjugated Linoleic Acid: Effects on Plasma Lipids and
    Cardiovascular Function; Curr Opin Lipidol 2001, 12 :1231-4]

    CLAs (conjugated linoleic acid) have anticarcinogenic properties,
    blocking tumour growth and metastasis from the breast (12,13). In the
    Kuopio Breast Cancer Study, breast cancer patients had lower serum CLA,
    myristic and trans vaccenic acid (precursor of CLA) than control [Aro A et
    al, Inverse Association Between Dietary and Serum Conjugated Linoleic Acid
    and Risk of Breast Cancer in Postmonopausal Women; Nutr and Cancer 2000,
    38: 151-7.]

    From: Consultation with Industry Organisations on Diet, Nutrition and
    the Prevention of Chronic Diseases - Comments from the International Dairy
    Federation, 15 June 2002. Download (.doc) here.

    In conclusion, by eating meat and dairy products, you will be eating small
    amounts of naturally-occurring trans fats, but among these are trans fats
    which are positively beneficial to health. The harmful effects attributed
    to synthetic trans fats arising from industrial processing are not
    associated with naturally occuring trans fats.
    However ...

    However these clear and straightforward facts have not prevented the food
    industry and its advocates from conflating these two very different kinds
    of trans fat. By failing to distinguish between the 'good' natural trans
    fats, and the 'bad' synthetic trans fats, they purport to show that:

    * our intake of synthetic trans fats is only adding an additional
    fraction of trans fat to what has been in the natural human diet for
    millenia.
    * even if we stopped eating all the synthetic trans fats, we would
    still be eating trans fat anyway, so what's the point?.

    One example of this conflation comes from the UK's Food Standards
    Agency, which wrote in a letter of 21 September 2004 that

    "The main issue with hydrogenated fats relates to their content
    of trans unsaturated fatty acids (trans fats). These trans fats occur in
    nature in dairy produce and the flesh of ruminants, e.g. beef, lamb."

    The Co-op likewise stated in a letter, referring to a report (which
    we have been unable to track down) by the industry-friendly British
    Nutrition Foundation, that

    Studies have failed to show that trans fatty acids are a
    significant factor contributing to coronary heart disease. The report did
    not find any evidence that the trans fatty acids found in industrially
    hardened oils are different to those produced in nature and found in
    mutton, beef and milk fats, including butter. A Senior Nutrition Scientist
    at the BNF has stated that Trans fatty acids from different sources are
    basically the same but the amounts in similar products may differ.

    It is really intolerable that these respected orgnisations should be
    so ready to mislead and obfuscate in this way.

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