Hit by a car again

ritcho said:

Whilst it is a myth that pajero means [censored] in Spanish, it is true that pajero means [censored] in Australian.

Ritch

BOOM tish!

So Hyundai translates loosely to "High and die" ???

dave said:

Go over the bike and list all the damage. Take it to a bike shop and
get a quote. Include the stuff like your ticket.

Ring up Ms crapdriver and tell her you have a bill for her. Ask if she
intends to pay it. Tell her if she gives you any sort of grief you
intend to have her charged with careless driving.

And if she gives you any grief go up to camberwell cop shop Try and get
to see that lovely policewoman that works pt there. Tell her the story
and tha you wish to have her charged with careless driving. And if she
asks why tell her just becouse you are a poor loser.

And then I will give you the number of my lawyer. Put photocopies of
all the paperwork in an envelope and send it to her. In a few months
you will get a cheque

Worked for me.

Dave

Be very careful in telling the driver that if she does not pay for your damages you will make a criminal complaint against her. This could be construed as blackmail. A few years ago the accounts did not balance in a dry cleaning shop (ie money appeared to be missing). The daughter of the owners, who I think was a law student at the time, told the one and only employee (who the owners suspected of nicking the money) that unless the employee put $X into the till, the police would be called and she would be charged with stealing. The employee must have had a bigger and better lawyer because all hell broke loose. Blackmail. Demanding money with threats.

I think the accepted line to take with the motorist is something like "If you do not compensate me for the damage you caused, I will consider taking legal action".

If she does not come through with the money, feel free to go to the cop shop. The problem is not in putting her in to the police, it is in threatening to do it if she does not pay.

Steve(gimme da money)A

ritcho said:

F***! The good news is that you're able to write about it - what kind of excuse is "I usually look for cyclists"? Is it the same as "I usually look for cars before crossing the road"?

Ritch

Probably as good as "I usually do not rob banks" or "I usually do not punch policemen" or "I do not usually throw telephones at the heads of hotel staff"

SteveA

flyingdutch said:

BOOM tish!

So Hyundai translates loosely to "High and die" ???

No, Hyundai translates as "drop kick" :-)

Cheers
Peter
- getting way OT now

Kim said:

dave said:

Bean Long said:

Well, you do know that pajero means "[censored]" in Spanish!

Yeah.,.. but is [censored] the correct teminology when talking about a woman?

does it matter?

i thought '[censored]' meant 'clueless moron'!

in which case, it works just fine...

cheers,

kim

OK I stand corrected.. I never thought that as [censored] it was all that
much of an insult anyway.. One just likes to get these things correct.

Dave

ritcho said:

Peter Signorini said:

"Bean Long" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, you do know that pajero means "[censored]" in Spanish!

Bit of a myth actually. Check it out with babelfish
http://world.altavista.com/tr - pajero means pajero in Spanish. Quite
a
funny myth nonetheless.

Cheers
Peter

Whilst it is a myth that pajero means [censored] in Spanish, it is true
that pajero means [censored] in Australian.

Ritch

And many other languages 🙂

Dave

SteveA said:

dave said:

Go over the bike and list all the damage. Take it to a bike shop and
get a quote. Include the stuff like your ticket.

Ring up Ms crapdriver and tell her you have a bill for her. Ask if she
intends to pay it. Tell her if she gives you any sort of grief you
intend to have her charged with careless driving.

And if she gives you any grief go up to camberwell cop shop Try and get
to see that lovely policewoman that works pt there. Tell her the story
and tha you wish to have her charged with careless driving. And if she
asks why tell her just becouse you are a poor loser.

And then I will give you the number of my lawyer. Put photocopies of
all the paperwork in an envelope and send it to her. In a few months
you will get a cheque

Worked for me.

Dave

Be very careful in telling the driver that if she does not pay for your
damages you will make a criminal complaint against her. This could be
construed as blackmail. A few years ago the accounts did not balance
in a dry cleaning shop (ie money appeared to be missing). The daughter
of the owners, who I think was a law student at the time, told the one
and only employee (who the owners suspected of nicking the money) that
unless the employee put $X into the till, the police would be called
and she would be charged with stealing. The employee must have had a
bigger and better lawyer because all hell broke loose. Blackmail.
Demanding money with threats.

I think the accepted line to take with the motorist is something like
"If you do not compensate me for the damage you caused, I will consider
taking legal action".

If she does not come through with the money, feel free to go to the
cop shop. The problem is not in putting her in to the police, it is in
threatening to do it if she does not pay.

Steve(gimme da money)A

Geez Like you would cop to that if the cops turned up

¨my goodness officer its true I told the woman it was my duty to make a
criminal complaint about her driving. And now that you are at the door
if it is convenient for me to make the complaint...

She acused me of what??? She must have totally missunderstood or is
being malicious... a vexacious complaint isnt that officer?¨

¨But about my complaint?... hard to substantiant? You just said she
accused me of blackmail... If thats not an admission of criminal
activity.. what is?¨

But if she was in the wrong she has the liability anyway" ¨Did she seem
right in the head to you officer?....

See thats where it helps to have the right type of upbringing 🙂

Dave

quote='dave'SteveA said:

dave said:

Go over the bike and list all the damage. Take it to a bike shop and
get a quote. Include the stuff like your ticket.

Ring up Ms crapdriver and tell her you have a bill for her. Ask if she
intends to pay it. Tell her if she gives you any sort of grief you
intend to have her charged with careless driving.

And if she gives you any grief go up to camberwell cop shop Try and get
to see that lovely policewoman that works pt there. Tell her the story
and tha you wish to have her charged with careless driving. And if she
asks why tell her just becouse you are a poor loser.

And then I will give you the number of my lawyer. Put photocopies of
all the paperwork in an envelope and send it to her. In a few months
you will get a cheque

Worked for me.

Dave

Be very careful in telling the driver that if she does not pay for your
damages you will make a criminal complaint against her. This could be
construed as blackmail. A few years ago the accounts did not balance
in a dry cleaning shop (ie money appeared to be missing). The daughter
of the owners, who I think was a law student at the time, told the one
and only employee (who the owners suspected of nicking the money) that
unless the employee put $X into the till, the police would be called
and she would be charged with stealing. The employee must have had a
bigger and better lawyer because all hell broke loose. Blackmail.
Demanding money with threats.

I think the accepted line to take with the motorist is something like
"If you do not compensate me for the damage you caused, I will consider
taking legal action".

If she does not come through with the money, feel free to go to the
cop shop. The problem is not in putting her in to the police, it is in
threatening to do it if she does not pay.

Steve(gimme da money)A

Geez Like you would cop to that if the cops turned up

¨my goodness officer its true I told the woman it was my duty to make a
criminal complaint about her driving. And now that you are at the door
if it is convenient for me to make the complaint...

She acused me of what??? She must have totally missunderstood or is
being malicious... a vexacious complaint isnt that officer?¨

¨But about my complaint?... hard to substantiant? You just said she
accused me of blackmail... If thats not an admission of criminal
activity.. what is?¨

But if she was in the wrong she has the liability anyway" ¨Did she seem
right in the head to you officer?....

See thats where it helps to have the right type of upbringing 🙂

Dave[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm. I have a recollection that the threat in the dry cleaning case may have even been in writing.

If verbal, the production of witnesses (by either side) can sway the argument. And quite a few phone answering machines can also record phone conversations while they are happening too.

As you say, there are ways, and then there are ways, of getting the message across. The right combination of subtlety and outright threat works best, but may be difficult to achieve.

I and 4 friends/family members once helped a chap, who owed my brother some money from a business venture, to get to the bank to get the cash to pay the debt. He needed the help because all of his previous cheques had bounced. Due to some confusion and misunderstandings he explained. His wife was also confused.

When we called by she thought he was not at home when we knocked on his front door. However, we were less confused and were able to meet him coming out his back door and help him down the stairs. We took him to the bank to get cash because of the previous confusion over cheques.

He was very grateful for the lift to the bank in the back of the Kombi although it was a little squeezy with the other 4 lads (I am 188cm and 110kg and I was the smallest of the boys). We waited with him at the bank until he withdrew the money and gave him a lift home.

I would probably not be so helpful these days as I am more aware of the misunderstandings that can occur in the circumstances.😄

Steve(always helpful)A

SteveA said:

dave said:

SteveA said:

dave Wrote:

>Go over the bike and list all the damage. Take it to a bike shop and
>get a quote. Include the stuff like your ticket.
>
>Ring up Ms crapdriver and tell her you have a bill for her. Ask if

she

Quoted message said:

>intends to pay it. Tell her if she gives you any sort of grief you
>intend to have her charged with careless driving.
>
>And if she gives you any grief go up to camberwell cop shop Try and

get

Quoted message said:

>to see that lovely policewoman that works pt there. Tell her the

story

Quoted message said:

>and tha you wish to have her charged with careless driving. And if

she

Quoted message said:

>asks why tell her just becouse you are a poor loser.
>
>And then I will give you the number of my lawyer. Put photocopies of
>all the paperwork in an envelope and send it to her. In a few months
>you will get a cheque
>
>
>Worked for me.
>
>Dave

Be very careful in telling the driver that if she does not pay for

your

Quoted message said:

damages you will make a criminal complaint against her. This could be
construed as blackmail. A few years ago the accounts did not balance
in a dry cleaning shop (ie money appeared to be missing). The

daughter

Quoted message said:

of the owners, who I think was a law student at the time, told the

one

Quoted message said:

and only employee (who the owners suspected of nicking the money)

that

Quoted message said:

unless the employee put $X into the till, the police would be called
and she would be charged with stealing. The employee must have had a
bigger and better lawyer because all hell broke loose. Blackmail.
Demanding money with threats.

I think the accepted line to take with the motorist is something like
"If you do not compensate me for the damage you caused, I will

consider

Quoted message said:

taking legal action".

If she does not come through with the money, feel free to go to the
cop shop. The problem is not in putting her in to the police, it is

in

Quoted message said:

threatening to do it if she does not pay.

Steve(gimme da money)A

Geez Like you would cop to that if the cops turned up

¨my goodness officer its true I told the woman it was my duty to make a
criminal complaint about her driving. And now that you are at the door
if it is convenient for me to make the complaint...

She acused me of what??? She must have totally missunderstood or is
being malicious... a vexacious complaint isnt that officer?¨

¨But about my complaint?... hard to substantiant? You just said she
accused me of blackmail... If thats not an admission of criminal
activity.. what is?¨

But if she was in the wrong she has the liability anyway" ¨Did she seem
right in the head to you officer?....

See thats where it helps to have the right type of upbringing 🙂

Dave

Hmmmm. I have a recollection that the threat in the dry cleaning case
may have even been in writing.

If verbal, the production of witnesses (by either side) can sway the
argument. And quite a few phone answering machines can also record
phone conversations while they are happening too.

That is soooo illegal and thats been tested in court. The taping
without permission.

How many witnesses you need Tim? You want ones who have been tested
under interrogation.. we can do that 🙂

Quoted message said:

As you say, there are ways, and then there are ways, of getting the
message across. The right combination of subtlety and outright threat
works best, but may be difficult to achieve.

true

Quoted message said:

I and 4 friends/family members once helped a chap, who owed my brother
some money from a business venture, to get to the bank to get the cash
to pay the debt. He needed the help because all of his previous
cheques had bounced. Due to some confusion and misunderstandings he
explained. His wife was also confused.

When we called by she thought he was not at home when we knocked on his
front door. However, we were less confused and were able to meet him
coming out his back door and help him down the stairs. We took him to
the bank to get cash because of the previous confusion over cheques.

He was very grateful for the lift to the bank in the back of the Kombi
although it was a little squeezy with the other 4 lads (I am 188cm and
110kg and I was the smallest of the boys). We waited with him at the
bank until he withdrew the money and gave him a lift home.

I would probably not be so helpful these days as I am more aware of the
misunderstandings that can occur in the circumstances.😄

Exactly..

I am told that if you shoot then yell drop the weapon or I shoot.. one
of the witnesses at least will get the order wrong 🙂

Me too

I so hate

Quoted message said:

Steve(always helpful)A

Me too

I so hate it when they apologise untill they think they are out of
range. I was amazed when the neighbor who backed up over stealth
orange motorcycle just paid.. I really am getting too cynical

Dave

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, dave

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If verbal, the production of witnesses (by either side) can sway the
argument. And quite a few phone answering machines can also record
phone conversations while they are happening too.

That is soooo illegal and thats been tested in court. The taping
without permission.

It depends where you are. Unless it changed recently, here only one
party has to be aware that the conversation is being recorded.
Thinking about it, whenever you call a bank etc. these days they do
tell you that you may be recorded... so it could have changed.

What a waste of a post. Sorry.

--
Sara

iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

SteveA said:

I and 4 friends/family members once helped a chap, who owed my brother some money from a business venture, to get to the bank to get the cash to pay the debt. He needed the help because all of his previous cheques had bounced. Due to some confusion and misunderstandings he explained. His wife was also confused.

When we called by she thought he was not at home when we knocked on his front door. However, we were less confused and were able to meet him coming out his back door and help him down the stairs. We took him to the bank to get cash because of the previous confusion over cheques.

He was very grateful for the lift to the bank in the back of the Kombi although it was a little squeezy with the other 4 lads (I am 188cm and 110kg and I was the smallest of the boys). We waited with him at the bank until he withdrew the money and gave him a lift home.

I would probably not be so helpful these days as I am more aware of the misunderstandings that can occur in the circumstances.😄

Steve(always helpful)A

haha. Helpful SteveA 😄 who's legal opionions shall now be taken MUCH more seruiously! 😄😄

Sara Kirk said:

In article <[email hidden]>, dave

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If verbal, the production of witnesses (by either side) can sway the
argument. And quite a few phone answering machines can also record
phone conversations while they are happening too.

That is soooo illegal and thats been tested in court. The taping
without permission.

It depends where you are. Unless it changed recently, here only one
party has to be aware that the conversation is being recorded.
Thinking about it, whenever you call a bank etc. these days they do
tell you that you may be recorded... so it could have changed.

What a waste of a post. Sorry.

Hang on... one party.. Oh you mean when intercepted by the cops.. or the
NSA. My understanding is that the cops need to satisfy a judge and
have a warrant anwhere in oz?

quote='dave'SteveA said:

Quoted message said:

And quite a few phone answering machines can also record
phone conversations while they are happening too.

That is soooo illegal and thats been tested in court. The taping
without permission.

I was thinking more about the creation of a belief in the minds of the local plod (which is often not based on legality of evidence) rather than the illegality and inadmissibility of the recording.

I am told that if you shoot then yell drop the weapon or I shoot.. one
of the witnesses at least will get the order wrong 🙂

Still amazes me that some witnesses can get up in complex commercial matters and swear to the exact words that they or someone else said at a boozy lunch meeting 2 years ago. And maintain that those were the exact words when cross examined.

As they say, 2 witnesses can have the exact opposite recollections of events but both be totally and honestly convinced that they are right.

SteveA

hemyd said:

"TimC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Camberwell road, about midday today. She was pulling out of a car
spot, had her nose out, so I pulled over the tram tracks, and kept
going. She was waiting for cars on the other side of the road so she
could do a U-ey, and I assumed she had seen me. When I was about 5m
from her, she started accelarating - the "hey!" probably came when I
was 2m from her, going at 30km/h. I clipped her nose, and feet stayed
in the peddle. I was very lucky not to fall over into the oncoming
traffic.

She took me to the doctor and police station, exchanged details. She
didn't say "sorry, I didn't see you", she said "I am usually looking
out for cyclists, but I just didn't look".

She might cop a fine, and I will get the bike checked out for
structural damage tonight -- it was just outside of goldcross where I
bought my bike from last week.

Worst part is my knee has to go on ice, and I probably won't be able
to ride on MBTC's long weeked tour to Beechworth tomorrow morning.
I've already paid, dammit!

--
TimC
"We must use Tim as a tool, not as a couch." -- J F Kennedy

Having learnt the hard way (also hit by a lady driver in similar
circumstances) I have learnt to never ever assume a lady driver has seen me,
even if she's looking directly at me. My wife has a go at me for being
sexist, and I'm sorry if I am, but although I believe that lady drivers are
by far better drivers than men, they can also be the most dangerous.

Henry.

Don't apologise, Henry, we understand - most chauvinists are
sexist.

Tam

Carl Brewer said:

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:26:21 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Carl Brewer wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

> :-) Arnica is wonderful stuff... A couple of my kids and I do TKD - I
> keep a tub of it in the bag with my gear and it gets passed around
> regularly. Ideal for those moments when the block doesn't happen
> quickly enough and one gets through :-/

Out of curiosity, have you ever tried applying it to one bruise site
and leaving another alone, and see if it makes any difference?
Not the best test around, but not a bad one, in lieu of any
proper testing.

I did this when I was performing on a suspended table, for circus. The
bars were so small that I got hideous bruises all over myself and looked
like a domestic violence victim. Arnica on my left leg, arnica on my
right leg. Left leg went throught the whole process quicker.

So which leg didn't have the magic potion on?

pick the idiot who spent too many hours using matlab yesterday. should
read "no arnica on my right leg"

<Cut the rest>

[

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

:-) Arnica is wonderful stuff...

Out of curiosity, have you ever tried applying it to one bruise site
and leaving another alone, and see if it makes any difference?
Not the best test around, but not a bad one, in lieu of any
proper testing.

Quoted message said:

yeah my partner massaged half a large bruise with arnica,and thats the side that healed quicker but probably the massage,
horses for courses

SteveA said:

dave said:

SteveA said:

And quite a few phone answering machines can also record
phone conversations while they are happening too.

That is soooo illegal and thats been tested in court. The taping
without permission.

I was thinking more about the creation of a belief in the minds of the
local plod (which is often not based on legality of evidence) rather
than the illegality and inadmissibility of the recording.

I am told that if you shoot then yell drop the weapon or I shoot.. one
of the witnesses at least will get the order wrong 🙂

Still amazes me that some witnesses can get up in complex commercial
matters and swear to the exact words that they or someone else said at
a boozy lunch meeting 2 years ago. And maintain that those were the
exact words when cross examined.

As they say, 2 witnesses can have the exact opposite recollections of
events but both be totally and honestly convinced that they are right.

SteveA

Absolutely right,

Trust me that if some cop is handed a case where someone admits careless
driving and maybe their might be a suspicion of something else, the cop
is going with the careless driving and losing the suspicion.

Of course if you were dumb enough to admit blackmail.....

Carl Brewer said:

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:49:11 +1000, Carl Brewer <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There's a lot of things that science hasn't explained yet. Doesn't mean
they don't work, it just means that we aren't smart enough to know why.

I looked the stuff up, and on the topic of interesting claims, here's
what the herb is supposed to do :
(from http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/arnic058.html )

--Medicinal Action and Uses---In countries where Arnica is indigenous,
it has long been a popular remedy. In the North American colonies the
flowers are used in preference to the rhizome. They have a discutient
property. The tincture is used for external application to sprains,
bruises, and wounds, and as a paint for chilblains when the skin is
unbroken. Repeated applications may produce severe inflammation. It is
seldom used internally, because of its irritant effect on the stomach.
Its action is stimulant and diuretic, and it is chiefly used in low
fevers and paralytie affections.

Arnica flowers are sometimes adulterated with other composite flowers,
especially Calendula officinalis, Inula brittanica, Kragapogon
pratensis, and Scorzonera humilis.

A homoeopathic tincture, X6, has been used successfully in the
treatment of epilepsy; also for seasickness, 3 X before sailing, and
every hour on board till comfortable.

For tender feet a foot-bath of hot water containing 1/2 oz. of the
tineture has brought great relief. Applied to the scalp it will make
the hair grow.

Great care must be exercised though, as some people are particularly
sensitive to the plant and many severe cases of poisoning have
resulted from its use, especially if taken internally.

British Pharmacopoeia Tincture, root, 10 to 30 drops. United States
Pharmacopoeia Tincture, flowers, 10 to 30 drops.

so, it's a poison, and it treats epilepsy and baldness.

Tops! I'll get a pile of it tomorrow morning, first thing!

Although, it sounds a lot like nicotine's actions,
being a stimulant, diuretic and inflamatory agent.

Further searching shows some real studies done on the stuff :
http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb92.htm

Extracted from that page :

Double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized trial with 64 patients
undergone elective hand surgery revealed Homeopathic arnica did not
control bruising, reduce swelling or promote recovery after local
trauma compared to placebo. Stevinson 2003

Study to determine whether homeopathic medicine (Arnica CH5) can
reduce postoperative haematomas in venous surgery in 130 patients
showed no significant difference between the Arnica and placebo groups
Ramelet 2000

etc etc

The conclusion of this is left as an exercise to the reader 🙂

Carl, you're such a twit.

Find me a paper that's not about homeopathy. Of course a double blind on a
homeopathic remedy isn't going to work. Homeopathic rememdies are diluted
and diluted and diluted and....

Find one where they used it in a physical concentration.

I can vouch for oral arnica being unpleasant for the gut though, even when
diluted to the extent there's nothing in it but water and sugar. I had to
take heaps of neurofen and stuff to feel better. I know there's typos but
I'm on dialup and this telnet client is causing me nightmares.

Tam

BrettM said:

Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Gemma_k said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Tam *no longer a
receptionist*
>
> Ew, I used to work for engineers. "Civil" ones, at that.

We're not all bad :-P

Gemma

You're also not all men going through mid-life crises either, but a
large proportion are...

Tam

H*ll what with all the stress and all I decided to start mine early.

What sort of bike can you get for $70,000+? (as if...).

BTW; you do know that "Civil Engineer" is an oxymoron.

BrettM

_oxy_moron - that's just being too verbose, and too nice.

:P

Tam

Kim said:

Tamyka Bell said:

dave said:

Yeah... sorry.. I actually meant massage on non damaged bits.. well
you know maybe stretched a bit but not noticably damaged. I wouldnt
even think of masaging freshly damaged bits .. screaming hurts my ears
(especially my screaming)

Unless the freshly damaged bits includes your ITB, in which case, you
get someone to massage it, and someone else to hold the pillow.

tam,

whats an ITB when its at home?

kim
~ more confused...

An iliotibial band, nice connective tissue down the outside of your leg
that gets tight and rubs along the outside of your knee in an ouchy
fashion.

interrupting-training-[censored]? That's what it feels like.

Sorry if someone already sreplied... I'm on DIALUP I tell you, DIALUP!

Tam