Glass bowl substitute for Kitchen-aid stand mixers?

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sat 11 Jun 2005 08:30:52a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 10 Jun 2005 07:08:32p, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Fri 10 Jun 2005 05:43:16p, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >> On Fri 10 Jun 2005 12:50:56p, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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>> >> > Is there a glass bowl (with a metal "seat?"😉 that can be used
>> >> > with the Kitchen-aid stand mixers?
>> >> >
>> >> > I think it could help to see stuff in the bowl that's not
>> >> > mixing at a glance. That and the glass being "non-reactive"???
>> >> >
>> >> > Andy
>> >>
>> >> No, but there used to be. Early versions of the KA had glass
>> >> bowls, however, only the model with the swing-up head. They
>> >> haven't been made for decades. Occasionally you will see a KA
>> >> with a glass bowl on eBay.
>> >
>> > I've never seen a Kitchenaid orbital stand mixer with a glass
>> > bowl, please point to a website depicting one.
>> >
>> > Sheldon
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>> http://www.decodan.com/samples.asp
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>> Scroll about 7/8 way down the page. There are 3 models; 3B, 3C, and
>> 4C.
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> Interesting. But those are not orbital, they're the regular egg
> beater type, pretty much a Sunbeam Mixmaster clone. Thanks
>
> Sheldon

Sorry, Sheldon, but you're mistaken. They are, indeed, orbital. Take
a closer look. I still have my grandmother's model 3C and the beater
action is exactly the same as my K5, but on a smaller scale.

I can't tell from those pictures and unfortunately they can't be
enlarged, but I'll take your word for it. Obviously the glass bowls
were not a good idea, hence they were discontinued long ago. I strive
to eliminate as much glass from my kitchen as possible... other than
for display I no longer use porcelainized either.

Sheldon

The pictures of these mixers on eBay might be better. The first one
actually has a metal bowl, but also came with a glass bowl for the same
model. Both of these are model 3C.

http://tinyurl.com/8y3rt

Hmm, this top one looks like it has the planetary/orbital feature but
it's shown with a metal bowl, says it comes with a metal bowl, doesn't
say anything about utilizing a glass bowl and doesn't appear to me that
it would accomodate a glass bowl.

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/cxdqh

This second one shown with the glass bowl definitely does NOT exhibit
any indication it is configured for planetary/orbital operation...
looks to me like just a single straight rotating shaft beater
mechanism, only odd thing is it indicates a rather large bowl for that
period, says 8 qts.... probably great for huge volumes of whipped cream
but I seriously doubt it would operate well, if at all, with much
denser ingredients in that volume... fill it just half way to mash
potatoes and I bet the motor stalls.

I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an orbital/planetary
mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they would, the bowl would
shatter too easily, especially if fitted with a dough hook. Even with
today's modern Kitchenaids, when mixing heavy ingredients you can
actually see the stainless steel bowl flex.

Anyway, glass bowls were popular and still are with the less costly
mixers because glass bowls are far less expensive than stainless steel
bowls... even with cookware a lot of manufactures have gone to glass
lids, they're much less costly to manufacture than metal.

But thanks for the pics.

Sheldon

pennyaline said:

Andy said:

Well, OK, yeah, kinda/sorta. The one about the advantage to seeing how
the mixing is progressing (or not) from the outside at a glance...
thingy question. But, don't strain yourself groping for an intelligent
answer.

If you want to see how the mixing is progressing, look down into the bowl
from above. You'll see if things are working or not.

And don't forget to read the KA user's manual, which instructs explicitly to
*scrape the bowl* at regular intervals. It may seem like a primitive
technique, but it's the best there is.

That's what my mother taught me to do! Put the scraper at an angle on
the inside of the moving bowl to scrape while mixing.

Sheldon said:

I've never seen a Kitchenaid orbital stand mixer with a glass bowl, the
old Sunbeam Mixmaster had glass bowls but I don't believe Kitchenaid
did... plese show me one on a website.

Mom's KA from the '50's has a white bowl.

sf said:

Sheldon said:

I've never seen a Kitchenaid orbital stand mixer with a glass bowl, the
old Sunbeam Mixmaster had glass bowls but I don't believe Kitchenaid
did... plese show me one on a website.

Mom's KA from the '50's has a white bowl.

Um, I really don't care about the color.

Of what material is the bowl made, and is it an orbital/planetary type
mixer? I've already seen a picture of a KA mixer with a glass bowl
(supplied by Bubba) but it was definitely not of the planetary/orbital
variety. I've never seen any brand of orbital/planetary type stand
mixer with a glass bowl (however I have seen plastic, I believe
Kenwood, but I think it was quickly discontinued). Somebody please
supply an URL to a planetary/orbital style stand mixer that's made to
use a glass bowl, doesn't even need to be KA, at this point any brand
will suffice... and any color bowl will be fine... although I am
partial to teal, and I like em in pairs, large, and strapless.... and I
can put that orbital/planetary action to good use. hehe

And I'm really not interested in anymore "but it's on ebay or my momma
has one" and then it turns out to be something else or nothing at all,
I want yoose should prove it definitively, so unless you actually can
quit wasting your time and mine.

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

Quoted message said:

Mom's KA from the '50's has a white bowl.

Um, I really don't care about the color.

When I said "white", it was my way of saying "I don't think it's
glass", but I wrote Mom and asked her about it anyway. Maybe I can
also get her to take a digital picture of it for you.... or more
likely, she'll ask my brother to do it. She moved to her new place
years ago, but the majority of her "kitchen stuff" is still sitting in
moving boxes in a storage shed. Obviously she's not in any hurry to
unpack, so if the mixer is in a box - it's not going to see the light
of day anytime soon.

Sheldon said:

orbital/planetary

What is orbital/planetary? Mom's rotated. That's all.

sf said:

Sheldon said:

orbital/planetary

What is orbital/planetary?

Like our planet rotates about its own axis and simultaneously orbits
about the sun.

Quoted message said:

Mom's rotated. That's all.

That's what I thought.

Sheldon

sf said:

Sheldon said:

orbital/planetary

What is orbital/planetary? Mom's rotated. That's all.

The beater rotates and the shaft that the beater is on also rotates
around the main shaft..
Think beater=moon
Main shaft=earth.
Hence the term 'orbital'.
Clear as mud eh? 🙂

Ken.

On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:18:58a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Quoted message said:

I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an orbital/planetary
mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they would, the bowl would
shatter too easily, especially if fitted with a dough hook. Even with
today's modern Kitchenaids, when mixing heavy ingredients you can
actually see the stainless steel bowl flex.

Anyway, glass bowls were popular and still are with the less costly
mixers because glass bowls are far less expensive than stainless steel
bowls... even with cookware a lot of manufactures have gone to glass
lids, they're much less costly to manufacture than metal.

But thanks for the pics.

I know you're not convinced, but I know what I have in my pantry, which is
a KA Model 3C and it does, indeed, have a planetary action beater. If my
digital camera was working (my rechargable batteries completely died) I'd
snap a picture of it. The two mixers I gave URLs for on eBay were both
Model 3C, one with a glass bowl and one with what looked like an aluminum
bowl. Apparently both were available for that model.

As far as a dough hook goes, I don't believe one came with these models.
At least my grandmother's did not. That model does a creditable job on
medium to light batters, egg whites, whipped cream, etc. I wouldn't be
tempted to push it beyond that.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Sheldon said:

Quoted message said:

Mom's rotated. That's all.

That's what I thought.

SO WHAT? The OP didn't mention it, so why does this weird planetal
pattern matter so much to you?

sf said:

Sheldon said:

Quoted message said:

Mom's rotated. That's all.

That's what I thought.

SO WHAT? The OP didn't mention it, so why does this weird planetal
pattern matter so much to you?

Actually he did, by mentioning "Kitchen-aid". It matters to me because
I prefer to deal in truths, otherwise I'd subscribe to r.f.f
<rec.food.fairytales> instead. SO WHAT yerself. <G>

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

sf said:

Sheldon said:

>Mom's rotated. That's all.

That's what I thought.

SO WHAT? The OP didn't mention it, so why does this weird planetal
pattern matter so much to you?

Actually he did, by mentioning "Kitchen-aid". It matters to me because
I prefer to deal in truths, otherwise I'd subscribe to r.f.f
<rec.food.fairytales> instead. SO WHAT yerself. <G>

Here is the answer from Mom... I wrote back to ask her if she knows
what model it is.

"Yes, the mixer tilts up (or you can remove it from the stand and use
it separately) but the bowl rotates by the motion of the mixer. The
bowl is white glass -- quite heavy and no, I wasn't extra careful with
it (except not to drop it!) It doesn't have any chips, either. If
modern bowls chip, it's because they are using cheaper, lighter-weight
glass."

sf said:

Sheldon said:

sf said:

On 11 Jun 2005 17:46:56 -0700, Sheldon wrote:

> >Mom's rotated. That's all.
>
> That's what I thought.

SO WHAT? The OP didn't mention it, so why does this weird planetal
pattern matter so much to you?

Actually he did, by mentioning "Kitchen-aid". It matters to me because
I prefer to deal in truths, otherwise I'd subscribe to r.f.f
<rec.food.fairytales> instead. SO WHAT yerself. <G>

Here is the answer from Mom... I wrote back to ask her if she knows
what model it is.

"Yes, the mixer tilts up (or you can remove it from the stand and use
it separately) but the bowl rotates by the motion of the mixer. The
bowl is white glass -- quite heavy and no, I wasn't extra careful with
it (except not to drop it!) It doesn't have any chips, either. If
modern bowls chip, it's because they are using cheaper, lighter-weight
glass."

So what model is it? Anyway, your description sounds like a Sunbeam
Mixmaster, not a Kitchenaid.

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

So what model is it? Anyway, your description sounds like a Sunbeam
Mixmaster, not a Kitchenaid.

I'm still waiting for that information.

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 10 Jun 2005 04:22:56p, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

On Fri 10 Jun 2005 12:50:56p, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Is there a glass bowl (with a metal "seat?"😉 that can be used with
> the Kitchen-aid stand mixers?
>
> I think it could help to see stuff in the bowl that's not mixing at a
> glance. That and the glass being "non-reactive"???
>
> Andy

No, but there used to be. Early versions of the KA had glass bowls,
however, only the model with the swing-up head. They haven't been
made for decades. Occasionally you will see a KA with a glass bowl on
eBay.

OK, so the mixers were lacking precision in the early days. But in the
21st century, with improved precision mechanics, what's wrong with a
glass bowl?

I don't think there was anything wrong with them. My grandmother had such
a KA mixer with the glass bowl and it was never chipped or broken. IIRC,
she had it more than 40 years.

Quoted message said:

Science and glass have come a long way, imho,

Agreed.

My first mixer was a Signature brand from Monkey Ward's - had glass
bowls (the milky kind) - I never broke or chipped one the twenty-five
years I used it.

N.

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:18:58a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an orbital/planetary
mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they would, the bowl would

Quoted message said:

I know you're not convinced, but I know what I have in my pantry, which is
a KA Model 3C and it does, indeed, have a planetary action beater. If my
digital camera was working (my rechargable batteries completely died) I'd
snap a picture of it. The two mixers I gave URLs for on eBay were both

Forget ebay or your camera, here is a link I found
http://www.execulink.com/~philipreed/index.html?http%3A//www.execulink.com/%7Ephilipreed/Pages/Gallerypages/ka3b.html

Watch for line wrap, but it shows a nice clear picture with
the orbital nature of the machine obvious, and a glass bowl.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Mon 13 Jun 2005 01:30:42p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:18:58a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an
orbital/planetary mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they
would, the bowl would

Quoted message said:

I know you're not convinced, but I know what I have in my pantry, which
is a KA Model 3C and it does, indeed, have a planetary action beater.
If my digital camera was working (my rechargable batteries completely
died) I'd snap a picture of it. The two mixers I gave URLs for on eBay
were both

Forget ebay or your camera, here is a link I found
http://www.execulink.com/~philipreed/index.html?http%3A//www.execulink.co
m/%7Ephilipreed/Pages/Gallerypages/ka3b.html

Watch for line wrap, but it shows a nice clear picture with
the orbital nature of the machine obvious, and a glass bowl.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Thanks, BIll!

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 14 Jun 2005 05:29:21p, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:18:58a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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>I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an orbital/planetary
>mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they would, the bowl would
>shatter too easily, especially if fitted with a dough hook. Even with
>today's modern Kitchenaids, when mixing heavy ingredients you can
>actually see the stainless steel bowl flex.
>
>Anyway, glass bowls were popular and still are with the less costly
>mixers because glass bowls are far less expensive than stainless steel
>bowls... even with cookware a lot of manufactures have gone to glass
>lids, they're much less costly to manufacture than metal.
>
>But thanks for the pics.

I know you're not convinced, but I know what I have in my pantry, which
is a KA Model 3C and it does, indeed, have a planetary action beater.
If my digital camera was working (my rechargable batteries completely
died) I'd snap a picture of it. The two mixers I gave URLs for on eBay
were both Model 3C, one with a glass bowl and one with what looked like
an aluminum bowl. Apparently both were available for that model.

As far as a dough hook goes, I don't believe one came with these
models. At least my grandmother's did not. That model does a
creditable job on medium to light batters, egg whites, whipped cream,
etc. I wouldn't be tempted to push it beyond that.

FWIW, I agree, Wayne. I had my grandmother's mixer, which was exactly
how you describe it, with glass bowls. Unfortunately, when I was out of
the country, my someone else had custody of the mixer and broke the
bowls. :-( I will say that those glass bowls were a lot heavier than
the current stainless ones.

Jean B.

Yes, Jean, the bowls are quite heavy and really thick. It's a shame that
your bowls were broken. I have seen the bowls on eBay without the mixers.
You might be able to replace it.

Unfortunately, I no longer have that mixer.

IIRC, my grandfather had some kind of peripheral relationship with
Hobart. Hence, the mixer. My mom inherited after her mother replaced
it, and then I had it. It worked perfectly all those years. I still
look back on it fondly, even if those bowls WERE heavy. And those
mixers were orbital, just like the one I have today. (I THINK I got my
mixer while Hobart was still manufacturing them. :-) )

--
Jean B.

On Wed 15 Jun 2005 04:40:53a, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 14 Jun 2005 05:29:21p, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:18:58a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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><snip>
>
>
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>>I'm still not convinced that Kitchenaid ever made an
>>orbital/planetary mixer with a glass bowl, and I can't imagine they
>>would, the bowl would shatter too easily, especially if fitted with a
>>dough hook. Even with today's modern Kitchenaids, when mixing heavy
>>ingredients you can actually see the stainless steel bowl flex.
>>
>>Anyway, glass bowls were popular and still are with the less costly
>>mixers because glass bowls are far less expensive than stainless
>>steel bowls... even with cookware a lot of manufactures have gone to
>>glass lids, they're much less costly to manufacture than metal.
>>
>>But thanks for the pics.
>
>
>I know you're not convinced, but I know what I have in my pantry,
>which is a KA Model 3C and it does, indeed, have a planetary action
>beater. If my digital camera was working (my rechargable batteries
>completely died) I'd snap a picture of it. The two mixers I gave URLs
>for on eBay were both Model 3C, one with a glass bowl and one with
>what looked like an aluminum bowl. Apparently both were available for
>that model.
>
>As far as a dough hook goes, I don't believe one came with these
>models. At least my grandmother's did not. That model does a
>creditable job on medium to light batters, egg whites, whipped cream,
>etc. I wouldn't be tempted to push it beyond that.
>

FWIW, I agree, Wayne. I had my grandmother's mixer, which was exactly
how you describe it, with glass bowls. Unfortunately, when I was out
of the country, my someone else had custody of the mixer and broke the
bowls. :-( I will say that those glass bowls were a lot heavier than
the current stainless ones.

Jean B.

Yes, Jean, the bowls are quite heavy and really thick. It's a shame
that your bowls were broken. I have seen the bowls on eBay without the
mixers. You might be able to replace it.

Unfortunately, I no longer have that mixer.

IIRC, my grandfather had some kind of peripheral relationship with
Hobart. Hence, the mixer. My mom inherited after her mother replaced
it, and then I had it. It worked perfectly all those years. I still
look back on it fondly, even if those bowls WERE heavy. And those
mixers were orbital, just like the one I have today. (I THINK I got my
mixer while Hobart was still manufacturing them. :-) )

I bought my Model K5 in 1973, so it's definitely a Hobart product. When I
assembled it to test it, I discovered the beater height adjustment was
seriously off. At that time, at least, this adjustment was not considered
user servicable. Took it right back to the store for an exchange and the
replacement has been perfect for all these years.

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974