campagnolo on a cross bike

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I want to run campy ergo on my cross bike and I'm debating how many
gears to use in back. My thinking is that 8 speed would be the best in
that it would be mor forgiving of the mud, dirt, etc. Of course
there's the hassle of making everything 8 speed, finding an old
derailleur, modifying my levers ( I have some 10 speed levers now) etc.
Is it worth it or should I go 9 speed? I feel that 10 speed wouldn't
deal with the crud very well. thanks

9 speed is fine. Single front chainring is also fine.

And CycloCross World has Campy compatible chainrings.

http://www.store.yahoo.com/cyclocrossworld/comtasinkit.html

HTH,

Lee

Quoted message said:

And CycloCross World has Campy compatible chainrings.

Heeeeere we go!

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

I want to run campy ergo on my cross bike and I'm debating how many
gears to use in back. My thinking is that 8 speed would be the best in
that it would be mor forgiving of the mud, dirt, etc. Of course
there's the hassle of making everything 8 speed, finding an old
derailleur, modifying my levers ( I have some 10 speed levers now) etc.
Is it worth it or should I go 9 speed? I feel that 10 speed wouldn't
deal with the crud very well. thanks

If you already have 10s levers I would just run 10s on the bike.

I run 9s Centaur on my Redline with a 34/50 compact crank, long cage
Centaur derailleur, and a 13x28 Veloce 9s cluster, Mirage hubs.

The nicer Campy hubs need frequent cleaning & lubrication when used
in the wet.

Campy 8s is not desirable at all unless you already own it - stay away.

--Paul

Quoted message said:

I want to run campy ergo on my cross bike and I'm debating how many
gears to use in back. My thinking is that 8 speed would be the best in
that it would be mor forgiving of the mud, dirt, etc. Of course
there's the hassle of making everything 8 speed, finding an old
derailleur, modifying my levers ( I have some 10 speed levers now) etc.
Is it worth it or should I go 9 speed? I feel that 10 speed wouldn't
deal with the crud very well. thanks

NO NEED for a '8s' rear derailleur.

Convert the lever, use Campagnolo black 8s spacers in a loose
Campagnolo 9s cogset, use an 8s chain, all else, do not fiddle with,
install, go ride.

WHY does this myth about '8s', '9s', '10s' rear derailleurs with
Campagnolo persist??

Is branford that pervasive??

Paul Southworth said:

The nicer Campy hubs need frequent cleaning & lubrication when used
in the wet.

???.....it a wet, cruddy cross race, anybody that doesn't look inside
things that have bearings after that race is asking for trouble. Any
type hub or HS or BB or.....

Quoted message said:

Campy 8s is not desirable at all unless you already own it - stay away.

--Paul

Don't get this as well....why 'not desirable'? Campag 8s cogset and 8s
chains are easy and I think any cogset that has bigger spacing with
'cross' is a great idea.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

I want to run campy ergo on my cross bike and I'm debating how many
gears to use in back. My thinking is that 8 speed would be the best in
that it would be mor forgiving of the mud, dirt, etc. Of course
there's the hassle of making everything 8 speed, finding an old
derailleur, modifying my levers ( I have some 10 speed levers now) etc.
Is it worth it or should I go 9 speed? I feel that 10 speed wouldn't
deal with the crud very well. thanks

NO NEED for a '8s' rear derailleur.

Convert the lever, use Campagnolo black 8s spacers in a loose
Campagnolo 9s cogset, use an 8s chain, all else, do not fiddle with,
install, go ride.

WHY does this myth about '8s', '9s', '10s' rear derailleurs with
Campagnolo persist??

Is branford that pervasive??

a lot of it is campy themselves. i called their service dept in l.a.
about something a while back & in passing, mentioned i was running 9s
chain on a 10s derailleur. the guy nearly had a fit. "cage spacing"
apparently. so initially, i was concerned, but when i measured my 9s
rig against a friends 10, everything was identical within 0.01mm.
conclusion: it's myth.

jim beam said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

I want to run campy ergo on my cross bike and I'm debating how many
gears to use in back. My thinking is that 8 speed would be the best in
that it would be mor forgiving of the mud, dirt, etc. Of course
there's the hassle of making everything 8 speed, finding an old
derailleur, modifying my levers ( I have some 10 speed levers now) etc.
Is it worth it or should I go 9 speed? I feel that 10 speed wouldn't
deal with the crud very well. thanks

NO NEED for a '8s' rear derailleur.

Convert the lever, use Campagnolo black 8s spacers in a loose
Campagnolo 9s cogset, use an 8s chain, all else, do not fiddle with,
install, go ride.

WHY does this myth about '8s', '9s', '10s' rear derailleurs with
Campagnolo persist??

Is branford that pervasive??

a lot of it is campy themselves. i called their service dept in l.a.
about something a while back & in passing, mentioned i was running 9s
chain on a 10s derailleur. the guy nearly had a fit. "cage spacing"
apparently. so initially, i was concerned, but when i measured my 9s
rig against a friends 10, everything was identical within 0.01mm.
conclusion: it's myth.

In addition, modern pulleys are even marked 9s-10s...same pulley, no
cage spacing difference.

Company line, from Campagnolo or shimano, and those MO places that
choose to quote it line and verse, irk me but afterall, they aren't
'bike shops', they are parts stores.

I'll bet car dealer service departments do the same thing where
independent car repair places roll their eyes at their shinanagins.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Paul Southworth said:

The nicer Campy hubs need frequent cleaning & lubrication when used
in the wet.

???.....it a wet, cruddy cross race, anybody that doesn't look inside
things that have bearings after that race is asking for trouble. Any
type hub or HS or BB or.....

My experience has been that the Mirage type hubs resist water better
than Chorus and Record. Obviously all hubs will let some water in
eventually under the right conditions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Campy 8s is not desirable at all unless you already own it - stay away.

Don't get this as well....why 'not desirable'? Campag 8s cogset and 8s
chains are easy and I think any cogset that has bigger spacing with
'cross' is a great idea.

Sure, it's easy to get Campy 8-speed parts at a local bike shop,
as long as your local bike shop is on Pearl in Boulder or a small
handful of other locations. Most shops throw up their hands at
this stuff, when the freehub or shifter dies. The original poster
says he owns a set of 10s levers and would convert them to 8. You
seem to be telling him that is a good plan.

I think this plan is a waste of money and time better spent riding
(which makes it perfect for usenet). If he owned 8s already I
wouldn't suggest getting rid of it, it's fine. What is half a
millimeter of cog spacing worth in time and money? Is this the
world champion's bike or something? The fact that he has 10s ergo
levers in hand makes the choice obvious to me.

--Paul

Paul Southworth said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Campy 8s is not desirable at all unless you already own it - stay away.

Don't get this as well....why 'not desirable'? Campag 8s cogset and 8s
chains are easy and I think any cogset that has bigger spacing with
'cross' is a great idea.

Sure, it's easy to get Campy 8-speed parts at a local bike shop,
as long as your local bike shop is on Pearl in Boulder or a small
handful of other locations. Most shops throw up their hands at
this stuff, when the freehub or shifter dies. The original poster
says he owns a set of 10s levers and would convert them to 8. You
seem to be telling him that is a good plan.

That's exactly what I'm telling him. 'Lazy shops in the US are not
Campagnolo's problem. Service managers and owners that are too damn
lazy to find the dozen or so places that stock this stuff ought to go
out of BIZ. 8s Campagnolo stuff is avialable from the same distributors
they get their shimano stuff from, just turn the page, and there it
is!!.

Quoted message said:

I think this plan is a waste of money and time better spent riding
(which makes it perfect for usenet). If he owned 8s already I
wouldn't suggest getting rid of it, it's fine. What is half a
millimeter of cog spacing worth in time and money? Is this the
world champion's bike or something? The fact that he has 10s ergo
levers in hand makes the choice obvious to me.

Maybe to you but actually ride and race a cross bike in a wee bit of
goo and see. Those that have 8s spacing will need a bike change much
less often than those with 9s or 10s. This is cross racing and altho he
isn't a world champion, he deserves information that will allow him to
race with a minimum of problems.
Just because switching to 8s seems daunting to you doesn't make it a
bad idea.
Time?-about 15 minutes, Money? $35....not to tough to handle.

Quoted message said:

--Paul

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Paul Southworth said:

Quoted message said:

>Campy 8s is not desirable at all unless you already own it - stay away.

Don't get this as well....why 'not desirable'? Campag 8s cogset and 8s
chains are easy and I think any cogset that has bigger spacing with
'cross' is a great idea.

Sure, it's easy to get Campy 8-speed parts at a local bike shop,
as long as your local bike shop is on Pearl in Boulder or a small
handful of other locations. Most shops throw up their hands at
this stuff, when the freehub or shifter dies. The original poster
says he owns a set of 10s levers and would convert them to 8. You
seem to be telling him that is a good plan.

That's exactly what I'm telling him. 'Lazy shops in the US are not
Campagnolo's problem. Service managers and owners that are too damn
lazy to find the dozen or so places that stock this stuff ought to go
out of BIZ. 8s Campagnolo stuff is avialable from the same distributors
they get their shimano stuff from, just turn the page, and there it
is!!.

Quoted message said:

I think this plan is a waste of money and time better spent riding
(which makes it perfect for usenet). If he owned 8s already I
wouldn't suggest getting rid of it, it's fine. What is half a
millimeter of cog spacing worth in time and money? Is this the
world champion's bike or something? The fact that he has 10s ergo
levers in hand makes the choice obvious to me.

Maybe to you but actually ride and race a cross bike in a wee bit of
goo and see. Those that have 8s spacing will need a bike change much
less often than those with 9s or 10s. This is cross racing and altho he
isn't a world champion, he deserves information that will allow him to
race with a minimum of problems.
Just because switching to 8s seems daunting to you doesn't make it a
bad idea.
Time?-about 15 minutes, Money? $35....not to tough to handle.

Quoted message said:

--Paul

Peter,
What are the big-shots running? 8sp?

Robin (doesn't think it matters much either) Hubert

Robin Hubert said:

Peter,
What are the big-shots running? 8sp?

Robin (doesn't think it matters much either) Hubert

Many use 8s, even on shimano. Travis Brown, a long term Trek rider,
races on a 2 by 8 on a MTB and often a 1 by 8 on a cross bike.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Robin Hubert said:

Peter,
What are the big-shots running? 8sp?

Robin (doesn't think it matters much either) Hubert

Many use 8s, even on shimano. Travis Brown, a long term Trek rider,
races on a 2 by 8 on a MTB and often a 1 by 8 on a cross bike.

FWIW, I ride 8 speed on my own road, MTB and TT bikes. Simply haven't
found a good reason to "upgrade" (especially when it means more
expensive cassettes and chains).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Phil said:

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And CycloCross World has Campy compatible chainrings.

Heeeeere we go!

I think he just means 135mm bolt circle pattern rings.

Chalo Colina

That is, when he's not running 1x1.
He's become quite the singlespeeder, of late.