Wilderness survival and parental paranoia

Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

Not just the parents fault. Shools are to blame as well. My kids get
the tri-annual visit from the local "kid friendly" cop who tells them to
run for their lives. Add that to the tax payer paid copy who sits in
front of every school looking for child poachers and these kids will
never benture out of the door. Schools have become prisons.

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Ride-A-Lot said:

Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

Not just the parents fault. Shools are to blame as well. My kids get
the tri-annual visit from the local "kid friendly" cop who tells them to
run for their lives. Add that to the tax payer paid copy who sits in
front of every school looking for child poachers and these kids will
never benture out of the door. Schools have become prisons.

Damn! My fingers are typing faster than my brain today. Sorry for the
typos.

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Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness. Now,
if you're not raising an average kid you should adjust your teachings to
include what to do when lost in the wilderness. I plan to with my son
because he'll be exposed to wilderness a lot more than most kids.

Of course the state of paranoia our society is in is probably (ok, not
probably, definitely) over the top but I think that's human nature. And
young kids need simple lessons if they are going to learn it. It sounds
like he was even a little "special" so they may have to make things even
more black and white for him.

I was very relived to see he was rescued. I think any parent who hears
stories like this (before he was rescued) feels empathy for the parents
of the missing kid. I'd go absolutely crazy if my kid disappeared.
Becoming a parent has changed my feelings on stuff like this.

I hated the comment from the parents that this means God does listen to
prayers. What about the other poor parents who's kids never showed up or
were found dead? Were they praying "wrong"? I hate that [censored]. It just
means they got lucky.

Matt

MattB said:

Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness.

Yes, I'm replying to my own post - so sue me.
I just wanted to add most abuse on kids (of the sexual nature) isn't
from strangers, but friends and family. So while "beware of strangers"
may be a good lesson, there are much more complicated ones kids need to
learn in this screwed up world. I just wanted to make that distinction.

Matt

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Quoted message said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

Well, that's just a fine howdy-do for the hundreds of volunteers and
thousands of dollars spent trying to find this kid. If it would have been
my boy, for one thing he wouldn't worry about getting kidnapped, and for
another if anybody "stole" him, it would be The Ransom of Red Chief all
over again. Next time, give the kid a loud whistle and teach him to use
it!

CDB

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Quoted message said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

From what I read of the story, this kid has perhaps the crappiest parents
I've seen lately.

They don't bother teaching him anything because he's "socially immature"
from being born prematurely. Huh? Is his brain trying to catch up to his
faster-than-gestation body? What the hell does one have to do with the
other?

No faith in the boy, which makes a sick kind of sense, since they don't
bother teaching him anything.

<"He doesn't have any disabilities; he's just immature," Toby Hawkins said.>

Of course, this is above and beyond the fact that they send their 11 year
old child off to the woods with a bunch of fools who don't see anything
wrong with a kid that age just 'disappearing' for an hour or so. Some scout
leaders. Buddy system? What buddy system?

Pagan

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Quoted message said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

Were this a different time I would agree with you, but child abduction,
abuse whatever, has increased so much that one never can tell. And we don't
know exactly how it played out. Perhaps they weren't identifiyng themselves
properly. Maybe they were, and he was scared, and didn't hear. Who knows? It
does say that the kid went against conventional reactions, and went UP hill,
as opposed to down (least path of resistance), and was more than a few miles
out of the search grid. Who knows what was going through the kids mind?

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Quoted message said:

Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

Quoted message said:

It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness.

Bingo.

Quoted message said:

Now, if you're not raising an average kid you should adjust your teachings
to include what to do when lost in the wilderness. I plan to with my son
because he'll be exposed to wilderness a lot more than most kids.

Already knee deep in it with my son. He just got his woodchip badge...🙂
We camp...a lot!

Quoted message said:

Of course the state of paranoia our society is in is probably (ok, not
probably, definitely) over the top but I think that's human nature. And
young kids need simple lessons if they are going to learn it. It sounds
like he was even a little "special" so they may have to make things even
more black and white for him.

Certainly are making excuses aren't they. "he doesn't have a very good sense
of direction" That caught my ear....

Quoted message said:

I was very relived to see he was rescued. I think any parent who hears
stories like this (before he was rescued) feels empathy for the parents of
the missing kid. I'd go absolutely crazy if my kid disappeared. Becoming a
parent has changed my feelings on stuff like this.

I, as a scout dad. (*asst cubmaster" thank you very much) was absolutely
overjoyed to hear this. But as a scout dad, I've got a few questions for the
leaders of his pack. For instance, who the hell was supervising them on the
rock wall he was left at? I'm also aware of the buddy system scouts
employee, but it looks like they didn't enforce/teach it very well.
Basically where was all the supervision. Especially if the kid has special
needs.

Quoted message said:

I hated the comment from the parents that this means God does listen to
prayers. What about the other poor parents who's kids never showed up or
were found dead? Were they praying "wrong"? I hate that [censored]. It just
means they got lucky.

Matt

Agree 100%. Bad choice of cliche'

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"Corvus Corvax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

CC

Well, that's just a fine howdy-do for the hundreds of volunteers and
thousands of dollars spent trying to find this kid. If it would have been
my boy, for one thing he wouldn't worry about getting kidnapped, and for
another if anybody "stole" him, it would be The Ransom of Red Chief all
over again. Next time, give the kid a loud whistle and teach him to use
it!

CDB

here here...

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Dave W said:

Were this a different time I would agree with you, but child abduction,
abuse whatever, has increased so much that one never can tell.

No it hasn't. All that has happened is that the media have figured out
that there is a buck to be made off the public's prurient interest in
child molestation. It's entertainment.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,
bout 725,000 children are reported missing every year. Of those, 2,000
- 5,000 are abducted by strangers. The rest are parental abductions and
runaways. Of the cases of stranger abductions, about 200-300 were
abductions resulting in murder or "intent to keep". It's not a fairy
tale, but it is extremely rare.

Source:

http://tinyurl.com/7t7va

CC

Paladin said:

Next time, give the kid a loud whistle and teach him to use it!

Word.

CC

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Quoted message said:

Dave W said:

Were this a different time I would agree with you, but child abduction,
abuse whatever, has increased so much that one never can tell.

No it hasn't. All that has happened is that the media have figured out
that there is a buck to be made off the public's prurient interest in
child molestation. It's entertainment.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,
bout 725,000 children are reported missing every year. Of those, 2,000
- 5,000 are abducted by strangers. The rest are parental abductions and
runaways. Of the cases of stranger abductions, about 200-300 were
abductions resulting in murder or "intent to keep". It's not a fairy
tale, but it is extremely rare.

Source:

http://tinyurl.com/7t7va

CC

Still a cause for concern nonetheless. And I agree that the media has
certainly latched on to these types of crimes. But it still doesn't detract
from the fact that they happen with seemingly more regularity. Ted Turner
has himself said that CNN has become "Pervert-News Network" and should stop
giving these "animals" air time.

Dave W said:

I, as a scout dad. (*asst cubmaster" thank you very much) was
absolutely overjoyed to hear this. But as a scout dad, I've got a few
questions for the leaders of his pack. For instance, who the hell was
supervising them on the rock wall he was left at? I'm also aware of
the buddy system scouts employee, but it looks like they didn't
enforce/teach it very well. Basically where was all the
supervision. Especially if the kid has special needs.

Eagle mom here, and here's my question: this boy was supposedly with older
boys. In my son's troop, the older boys were resonsible for the younger
boys, and if something went wrong with the little ones, the older ones in
charge were held accountable. So - what's the story with the boys who should
have been watching out for him?

penny

Corvus Corvax said:

Saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/22/missing.scout/index.html

This says a lot about the current social hysteria about child
abduction: this kid's parents had him so terrified of being kidnapped
that he actually hid from searchers looking for him! The scary thing is
that nobody associated with this news item seems to find that even the
slightest bit remarkable. Hardly surprising from CNN which has
basically turned itself into the Child Molester Channel.

To be fair, I've heard no one in the media mention the oddness. But is
it all that odd?

The kid maybe had a little too much of his head about him. He seems to
have known he was lost, but his parent's simple instructions didn't
cover enough bases. He did exactly what he was told: stayed on the
trail, and avoided strangers. The guy who found him practically got
lucky and caught the boy out.

I'd frankly expect more from an 11-year-old, but I'm not yet a parent.

Quoted message said:

Between the abuse hysteria and all the sanctimonious praying, this
whole story just makes me want to barf. That kid is lucky to be alive,
no thanks to his parents.

If a kid from Utah gets lost, it's probably an LDS kid. They wear their
faith on their sleeves. I'm waiting for the day when an agnostic or
atheistic kid gets lost, or a non-religious searcher finds one, and they
pooh-pooh all the superstition.

Clearly, God didn't like the kid or He wouldn't have let him get lost.

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It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness. Now,
if you're not raising an average kid you should adjust your teachings to
include what to do when lost in the wilderness. I plan to with my son
because he'll be exposed to wilderness a lot more than most kids.

Of course the state of paranoia our society is in is probably (ok, not
probably, definitely) over the top but I think that's human nature.

The mainstream media makes money by scaring us. It's simple.

We have two local small earthquakes in a week and I swear every station I
watched implied that it was the end of California. The big one is coming!

Every adult is a child molester.

You'll never survive childhood without a bicycle helmet attached to your
head at all times.

Drink 10 gallons of water a day or you will die of dehydration.

The fear mongering is endless.

Greg

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Dave W said:

I, as a scout dad. (*asst cubmaster" thank you very much) was
absolutely overjoyed to hear this. But as a scout dad, I've got a few
questions for the leaders of his pack. For instance, who the hell was
supervising them on the rock wall he was left at? I'm also aware of
the buddy system scouts employee, but it looks like they didn't
enforce/teach it very well. Basically where was all the
supervision. Especially if the kid has special needs.

Eagle mom here, and here's my question: this boy was supposedly with older
boys. In my son's troop, the older boys were resonsible for the younger
boys, and if something went wrong with the little ones, the older ones in
charge were held accountable. So - what's the story with the boys who
should have been watching out for him?

penny

Exactly my point. I would like to know how it got to that point,

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Quoted message said:

It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness. Now,
if you're not raising an average kid you should adjust your teachings to
include what to do when lost in the wilderness. I plan to with my son
because he'll be exposed to wilderness a lot more than most kids.

Of course the state of paranoia our society is in is probably (ok, not
probably, definitely) over the top but I think that's human nature.

The mainstream media makes money by scaring us. It's simple.

We have two local small earthquakes in a week and I swear every station I
watched implied that it was the end of California. The big one is coming!

Every adult is a child molester.

You'll never survive childhood without a bicycle helmet attached to your
head at all times.

Drink 10 gallons of water a day or you will die of dehydration.

The fear mongering is endless.

Greg

Question: are you a parent?

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G.T. said:

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Quoted message said:

It's sad. But statistically I bet an average kid is more likely to be
approached by a dangerous stranger than get lost in the wilderness. Now,
if you're not raising an average kid you should adjust your teachings to
include what to do when lost in the wilderness. I plan to with my son
because he'll be exposed to wilderness a lot more than most kids.

Of course the state of paranoia our society is in is probably (ok, not
probably, definitely) over the top but I think that's human nature.

The mainstream media makes money by scaring us. It's simple.

We have two local small earthquakes in a week and I swear every station I
watched implied that it was the end of California. The big one is coming!

Every adult is a child molester.

You'll never survive childhood without a bicycle helmet attached to your
head at all times.

Drink 10 gallons of water a day or you will die of dehydration.

The fear mongering is endless.

Greg

I'm not saying there isn't fear mongering, we all know that's rampant.
I happen to know from personal experience about adults molesting
children (and no, I'm not a perp). It's anecdotal evidence for sure, but
it hits home when you are personally connected to such an unseemly
situation. But that's really a different issue from this.

The kid should have been taught better and watched better. If they can't
do those things then he shouldn't have been out there.

I'm just relived (and amazed) they found him alive.

Matt

Quoted message said:

Eagle mom here, and here's my question: this boy was supposedly with
older boys. In my son's troop, the older boys were resonsible for the
younger boys, and if something went wrong with the little ones, the
older ones in charge were held accountable. So - what's the story
with the boys who should have been watching out for him?

It was all part of God's plan.