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  1. Quoted message said:

    Peter Moran wrote:
    symptomatology rather than objective evidence of disease. If a cancer
    goes away we can take some notice, as this happens very rarely


    spontaneously

    Quoted message said:

    (but often enough for a handful yearly in the USA). If a symptom


    improves

    Quoted message said:

    only the biased or uninformed will not consider the possibility of
    spontaneous events, or placebo reactions, or ubiquitous reporting biases.

    What if a cancer patient improves their diet; improves their
    digestion (digestive enzymes); lowers their high acid Ph level in the
    body - then discovers that their cancer has dis-appeared?

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What if a cancer patient improves their diet; improves their


    digestion (digestive enzymes); lowers their high acid Ph level in the
    body - then discovers that their cancer has dis-appeared? <<

    COMMENT:

    What if they're taken on board a flying saucer and gang-probed by
    aliens and then their cancer disappears? It sure is weird to think
    about these things, isn't it?

  3. LOL. You got "issues" in your life lately?

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What if a cancer patient improves their diet; improves their


    digestion (digestive enzymes); lowers their high acid Ph level in the
    body - then discovers that their cancer has dis-appeared? <<

    COMMENT:

    What if they're taken on board a flying saucer and gang-probed by
    aliens and then their cancer disappears? It sure is weird to think
    about these things, isn't it?

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    George Lagergren said:

    What if a cancer patient improves their diet; improves their
    digestion (digestive enzymes); lowers their high acid Ph level in the
    body - then discovers that their cancer has dis-appeared?


    What if a large enough number who do and , when compared to an
    appropriately large enough number of people who don't, there is no
    difference? ( Or is).
    Anecdote doesn't equal data and there are few things less
    usable than n=1 studies.

    --------------------------------------------------------
    "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts--for support rather than illumination."
    Andrew Lang

  5. Kurt Ullman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    George Lagergren said:

    What if a cancer patient improves their diet; improves their
    digestion (digestive enzymes); lowers their high acid Ph level in the
    body - then discovers that their cancer has dis-appeared?

    What if a large enough number who do and , when compared to an
    appropriately large enough number of people who don't, there is no
    difference? ( Or is).
    Anecdote doesn't equal data and there are few things less
    usable than n=1 studies.

    --------------------------------------------------------
    "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts--for support rather than illumination."
    Andrew Lang


    For George, data is the plural of anecdote.
    And milk the source of all evil.

  6. Kurt Ullman said:

    Anecdote doesn't equal data

    As Dr. Lee Cowden, M.D. notes, "anecdotal evidence from a million
    Chinese IS data."

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As Dr. Lee Cowden, M.D. notes, "anecdotal evidence from a million Chinese IS data." <<

    Well, then I guess "data" supports that pain on urination really is
    generally due to kidney yang deficiencies, and you don't have to worry
    about clamydia. And I suppose tiger penis and rhino horn really must be
    aphrodesiacs. And foot-binding really is cool....

    So many things to learn, grasshopper!

    SBH

  8. JohnDoe said:

    [For George,] milk the source of all evil.

    I would say, cow's milk is the source for many health problems.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Kurt Ullman wrote:
    Anecdote doesn't equal data

    "Tim Campbell" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    As Dr. Lee Cowden, M.D. notes, "anecdotal evidence from a million
    Chinese IS data."

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers.

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers. <<

    COMMENT:

    I believe the East Indians are. So what? You think 1.3 billion vs 1.1
    billion is a big deal?

  11. George Lagergren said:
    Quoted message said:

    Kurt Ullman wrote:
    Anecdote doesn't equal data

    "Tim Campbell" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    As Dr. Lee Cowden, M.D. notes, "anecdotal evidence from a million
    Chinese IS data."

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers.

    Sorry gentlemen, I shd have been more clear...In this quote, Cowden was
    making the more generalized point that at a certain point in the
    progressive accumulation of evidence anecdote becomes data.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers. <<

    COMMENT:

    I believe the East Indians are. So what? You think 1.3 billion vs 1.1
    billion is a big deal?


    Is it statistically significant difference? THAT is what I want to
    know...

    --------------------------------------------------------
    "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts--for support rather than illumination."
    Andrew Lang

  13. George Lagergren said:
    JohnDoe said:

    [For George,] milk the source of all evil.

    I would say, cow's milk is the source for many health problems.

    Yes, George, we know you are a "one-noter."

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tim Campbell said:
    George Lagergren said:
    Quoted message said:

    Kurt Ullman wrote:
    Anecdote doesn't equal data

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Tim Campbell" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    As Dr. Lee Cowden, M.D. notes, "anecdotal evidence from a million
    Chinese IS data."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers.

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry gentlemen, I shd have been more clear...In this quote, Cowden was
    making the more generalized point that at a certain point in the
    progressive accumulation of evidence anecdote becomes data.

    It is the case that about 90% of Chinese are lactose
    intolerant, which means that, after a certain stage of
    development, they are unable to digest lactose (milk sugar)
    without artificial supplements. Lactose is not toxic for
    them, but it causes unwelcome digestive problems.

    On the other hand, the large bulk of people in India are
    lactose tolerant. So milk-based desserts are quite common
    there, and cow's milk is widely used.

    Genetics cannot be ignored.
    --
    This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
    are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
    Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
    [email hidden] Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kurt Ullman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
    Quoted message said:

    >I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers. <<

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the East Indians are. So what? You think 1.3 billion vs 1.1
    billion is a big deal?

    Quoted message said:

    Is it statistically significant difference? THAT is what I want to
    know...

    It IS significantly different from 50%; so what? In another
    posting, I have pointed out that the difference is genetic.
    This point needs to be controlled for statistical procedures
    to be valid at all.
    --
    This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
    are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
    Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
    [email hidden] Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

  16. Blood type difference

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers. <<

    COMMENT:

    I believe the East Indians are. So what? You think 1.3 billion vs 1.1
    billion is a big deal?

  17. "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1119648933.a04a236eda8877ce1e2e2973ee2a577e@teranews...

    Quoted message said:


    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >I believe the Chinese are NOT big cow's milk drinkers. <<

    COMMENT:

    I believe the East Indians are. So what? You think 1.3 billion vs 1.1
    billion is a big deal?

    Quoted message said:

    Blood type difference

    ROTFLMAO! Chinese are all type A, and Indians are all type O? That must be
    real convenient when someone needs a blood transfusion in those countries.
    --

    --Rich

    Recommended websites:

    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    http://www.acahf.org.au
    http://www.quackwatch.org/
    http://www.skeptic.com/
    http://www.csicop.org/

  18. Tim Campbell said:

    Sorry gentlemen, I shd have been more clear...In this quote,
    Cowden was making the more generalized point that at a
    certain point in the progressive accumulation of evidence
    anecdote becomes data.

    That's a famous principle (they call it a "law"😉 of
    dialectical materialism (i.e. Marxism). It's called
    the "passing of quantity into quality". At some point
    when you have enough quantity, it becomes transformed
    into a quality of its own.

    It's just a pronouncement, with no particular standing
    as a valid argument. A thousand reports of flying
    saucers does not mean flying saucers exist.

  19. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's a famous principle (they call it a "law"😉 of


    dialectical materialism (i.e. Marxism). It's called
    the "passing of quantity into quality". At some point
    when you have enough quantity, it becomes transformed
    into a quality of its own. <<

    COMMENT:

    It is indeed famous, but the passing of mere "quantity" into an
    emergent "qualilty" (how many grains of sand does it take to make a
    "heap", etc) was known to the Greeks as the Sorites (Gk for "heap"😉
    paradox. Its restatement by Hegel is where Marx got it. Credit where
    credit is due.

    And of course the sorites or "slipery slope" problem is with us always.
    The fuzzy logic people have recently gotten interested in it. But the
    basic problem is that we often need to make binary decisions in a
    continuum world. How do we do that? The answers are almost always
    unsatisfactory. Usually people try to construct some tradeoff function
    which is maximized as a quantity changes, and then use the extremal as
    their marker. But there's always argument about how to do the tradeoff
    weighting in the function.

    Examples:

    How much freedom do you give up for a certain amount of security?
    Obviously only a fool wouldn't give up any. Obviously only a fool would
    give up all of it. In the middle is a grey scale with no bright lines.
    And that's one of a hundred political, scientific, and other such
    problems in life. One cell isn't a baby. Two cells isn't a baby. Four
    cells is not. But at some point, half a trillion cells certainly is.
    So ...... sorites.

    Sorites, by the way, is pronouced as in the following limerick I wrote
    years ago:

    The champ paradox called "sorites"
    The ancients thought one of the sweeties.
    If Greek paradoxes
    Sold cereal boxes
    They would have had this one on Wheaties.

    SBH

  20. "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's a famous principle (they call it a "law"😉 of


    dialectical materialism (i.e. Marxism). It's called
    the "passing of quantity into quality". At some point
    when you have enough quantity, it becomes transformed
    into a quality of its own. <<

    COMMENT:

    It is indeed famous, but the passing of mere "quantity" into an
    emergent "qualilty" (how many grains of sand does it take to make a
    "heap", etc) was known to the Greeks as the Sorites (Gk for "heap"😉
    paradox. Its restatement by Hegel is where Marx got it. Credit where
    credit is due.

    And of course the sorites or "slipery slope" problem is with us always.
    The fuzzy logic people have recently gotten interested in it. But the
    basic problem is that we often need to make binary decisions in a
    continuum world. How do we do that? The answers are almost always
    unsatisfactory. Usually people try to construct some tradeoff function
    which is maximized as a quantity changes, and then use the extremal as
    their marker. But there's always argument about how to do the tradeoff
    weighting in the function.

    Examples:

    How much freedom do you give up for a certain amount of security?
    Obviously only a fool wouldn't give up any. Obviously only a fool would
    give up all of it. In the middle is a grey scale with no bright lines.
    And that's one of a hundred political, scientific, and other such
    problems in life. One cell isn't a baby. Two cells isn't a baby. Four
    cells is not. But at some point, half a trillion cells certainly is.
    So ...... sorites.

    Sorites, by the way, is pronouced as in the following limerick I wrote
    years ago:

    The champ paradox called "sorites"
    The ancients thought one of the sweeties.
    If Greek paradoxes
    Sold cereal boxes
    They would have had this one on Wheaties.

    Steve's limerick concerning "sorites"
    Ranks with the best of graffities.
    But refined cereal grains
    Might cause diabetic pains,
    So I think I'll pass on the Wheaties.

    George

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