Milk & insulin resistance

Juhana Harju wrote:
:: A new study associates avoiding milk with reduced risk of insulin
:: resistance and metabolic syndrome in elderly women.
::
:: Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11. Related Articles, Links
::
:: Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin
:: resistance and the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British
:: Women's Heart and Health Study.
::
:: Lawlor DA, Ebrahim S, Timpson N, Davey Smith G.
::
:: Department of Social Medicine, University of Bristol, Canynge Hall,
:: Bristol, UK.
::
:: OBJECTIVE: To examine the association of milk consumption with
:: insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. METHODS: The
:: association was examined in 4024 British women aged 60-79 who were
:: randomly selected from primary care centres in 23 towns. RESULTS:
:: Women who never drank milk had lower homeostasis model assessment
:: insulin resistance (HOMA) scores, triglyceride concentrations and
:: body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
:: (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
:: age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing
:: non-milk drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did not
:: attenuate with adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes was
:: less common in non-milk drinkers. CONCLUSION: Individuals who do not
:: drink milk may be protected against insulin resistance and the
:: metabolic syndrome. However, randomized controlled trials are
:: required to establish whether milk avoidance is causally associated
:: with these outcomes. PMID: 15910636
::
::
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15910636&query_hl=3
::

The free full study is available here:

http://www.epi.bris.ac.uk/staff/gdaveysmith/pdf/P485%20Avoiding.pdf

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Juhana

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:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:30:37 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::: Juhana Harju wrote:

::::: A new study associates avoiding milk with reduced risk of insulin
::::: resistance and metabolic syndrome in elderly women.
:::::
::::: Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.
:::::
::::: Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin
::::: resistance and the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British
::::: Women's Heart and Health Study.
::::: [...]
::::: Women who never drank milk had lower homeostasis model assessment
::::: insulin resistance (HOMA) scores, triglyceride concentrations and
::::: body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
::::: (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
::::: age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing
::::: non-milk drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did
::::: not attenuate with adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes
::::: was less common in non-milk drinkers. CONCLUSION: Individuals who
::::: do not drink milk may be protected against insulin resistance and
::::: the metabolic syndrome. [...]
:::::
:::
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15910636&query_hl=3
:::
::: The free full study is available here:
:::
::: http://www.epi.bris.ac.uk/staff/gdaveysmith/pdf/P485%20Avoiding.pdf
::
:: Very interesting study. I noticed that those who did not drink milk
:: had considerably higher prevalence of hip fractures.
::
:: Osteoporosis and fractures milk no milk
:: Osteoporosis (%) 7.8 (7.0, 8.7) 12.4 (7.5, 19.9) 0.07
:: Ever had wrist or hip fracture (%) 13.6 (12.6, 14.8) 21.1 (14.5,
:: 29.7) 0.02

That is correct. Please notice that the women in the non-milk group used
very little calcium supplementation and the vitamin D supplementation is not
known. Nor did I found any data of the consumption of other dairy products
in the non-milk drinker group, which would have been interesting to know.

Personally I do not drink milk but I eat plain yogurt and goat cheese.

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Juhana

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:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:40:48 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:30:37 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::: Juhana Harju wrote:
:::
:::::::: A new study associates avoiding milk with reduced risk of
:::::::: insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in elderly women.
::::::::
:::::::: Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.
::::::::
:::::::: Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin
:::::::: resistance and the metabolic syndrome: findings from the
:::::::: British Women's Heart and Health Study.
:::::::: [...]
:::::::: Women who never drank milk had lower homeostasis model
:::::::: assessment insulin resistance (HOMA) scores, triglyceride
:::::::: concentrations and body mass indices, and higher high-density
:::::::: lipoprotein (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who
:::::::: drank milk. The age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic
:::::::: syndrome comparing non-milk drinkers with drinkers was 0.55
:::::::: (0.33, 0.94), which did not attenuate with adjustment for
:::::::: potential confounders. Diabetes was less common in non-milk
:::::::: drinkers. CONCLUSION: Individuals who do not drink milk may be
:::::::: protected against insulin resistance and the metabolic
:::::::: syndrome. [...]
::::::::
::::::
:::
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15910636&query_hl=3
::::::
:::::: The free full study is available here:
::::::
:::::: http://www.epi.bris.ac.uk/staff/gdaveysmith/pdf/P485%20Avoiding.pdf
:::::
::::: Very interesting study. I noticed that those who did not drink
::::: milk had considerably higher prevalence of hip fractures.
:::::
::::: Osteoporosis and fractures milk no milk
::::: Osteoporosis (%) 7.8 (7.0, 8.7) 12.4 (7.5, 19.9) 0.07
::::: Ever had wrist or hip fracture (%) 13.6 (12.6, 14.8) 21.1 (14.5,
::::: 29.7) 0.02
:::
::: That is correct. Please notice that the women in the non-milk group
::: used very little calcium supplementation and the vitamin D
::: supplementation is not known. Nor did I found any data of the
::: consumption of other dairy products in the non-milk drinker group,
::: which would have been interesting to know.
:::
::: Personally I do not drink milk but I eat plain yogurt and goat
::: cheese.
::
:: The non-milk drinkers used more calcium supplementation than the
:: milk drinkers.

Only 1.7% used supplementation - so the supplementation was almost
non-existent.

:: They did eat cheese daily

Only 9.6% ate cheese daily.

:: as well as considerably
:: more white bread as their main bread source.

I noticed that too. Strange.

:: I do drink milk but not every day. Especially with chocolate cake
:: or other cake. I don't really care for cake and need milk to wash
:: it down.

Milk hinders the absorption of cocoa flavonoids. Not a great idea to drink
milk with chocolate from the nutritional point of view.

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Juhana

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:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:04:23 +0300, "Juhana Harju" wrote:
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::::: I do drink milk but not every day. Especially with chocolate cake
::::: or other cake. I don't really care for cake and need milk to wash
::::: it down.
:::
::: Milk hinders the absorption of cocoa flavonoids. Not a great idea
::: to drink milk with chocolate from the nutritional point of view.
::
:: Perhaps that is why chocolate seems to have no effect on me although
:: some people really get a lift from it. However thinking back, I
:: used to get severe headaches when I was hungry - probably a bit of
:: hypoglycemia and the only thing that zapped my headache was a lot of
:: chocolate. I used to keep a box of Baker's semi-sweet chocolate in
:: the kitchen and would eat some when I got a headache.

I use coffee for the same purpose. Normally I don't drink almost any coffee,
so I use it as a remedy for headaches.

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Juhana

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
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The hihger risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly explained by
higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers (10.9% vs. 16%).

Is there a reason why smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers smoke?

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Enrico C

Enrico C wrote:
:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote:
::
::: The higher risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly
::: explained by higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers
::: (10.9% vs. 16%).
::
:: Is there a reason why smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers smoke?

Smoking is more prevalent in people who have such an ethnic background which
is associated with more lactose intolerance and lower drinking of milk?
Smoking is more prevalent in the black population which has more
osteoporosis in Britain due to lower vitamin D status? These are just
guesses.

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Juhana

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:19:04 +0200, Enrico C wrote in
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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
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Quoted message said:

The hihger risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly explained by
higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers (10.9% vs. 16%).

Is there a reason why smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers smoke?

Sorry, I meant the other way round, of course.
"Is there a reason why *non*-smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers *don't*
smoke?
Anyway, is there a relation between non-milk drinking and cigarette
smoking?

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Enrico C

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

Quoted message said:

The hihger risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly explained by
higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers (10.9% vs. 16%).

Is there a reason why *non*-smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers *don't*
smoke?
Anyway, is there a relation between non-milk drinking and cigarette
smoking?

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Enrico C

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:42:54 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Enrico C wrote:
:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote:
::
::: The higher risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly
::: explained by higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers
::: (10.9% vs. 16%).
::
:: Is there a reason why smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers smoke?

Here I meant the other way round.
Is there a reason why *non*-smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers *don't*
smoke, or smokers *don't* drink milk...?
Anyway, is there a relation between non-milk drinking and cigarette
smoking?

Quoted message said:

Smoking is more prevalent in people who have such an ethnic background which
is associated with more lactose intolerance and lower drinking of milk?
Smoking is more prevalent in the black population which has more
osteoporosis in Britain due to lower vitamin D status? These are just
guesses.

Or might it be just random? 🙂

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Enrico C

Enrico C wrote:
:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:42:54 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in
:: <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :
::
::: Enrico C wrote:
::::: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:14:21 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote:
:::::
:::::: The higher risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures can be partly
:::::: explained by higher amount of smokers among the non-milk drinkers
:::::: (10.9% vs. 16%).
:::::
::::: Is there a reason why smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers smoke?
::
:: Here I meant the other way round.
:: Is there a reason why *non*-smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers
:: *don't* smoke, or smokers *don't* drink milk...?
:: Anyway, is there a relation between non-milk drinking and cigarette
:: smoking?

I got it, but I don't know. I have a hunch that those people who smoke are
more likely to drink coffee, alcoholic beverages etc. Perhaps they drink
these beverages instead of milk.

::: Smoking is more prevalent in people who have such an ethnic
::: background which is associated with more lactose intolerance and
::: lower drinking of milk? Smoking is more prevalent in the black
::: population which has more osteoporosis in Britain due to lower
::: vitamin D status? These are just guesses.
::
:: Or might it be just random? 🙂

The sample is so large that it is not very likely. The correlation between
non-milk drinking and higher prevalence in smoking is almost statistically
significant (0.10). One can clearly make a conclusion that it is can be
dangerous for health to stop drinking milk because it increases the
probability of smoking. :-)

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Juhana

Enrico C schreef:

Quoted message said:

"Is there a reason why *non*-smokers drink milk, or milk drinkers *don't*
smoke?
Anyway, is there a relation between non-milk drinking and cigarette
smoking?

Of course. Drinking milk is healthy, if you aren't allergic to it, and
smoking is bad for your health. So people who aren't very
health-conscious are more likely to smoke and to not drink milk.

Berna

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( )_( ) Berna M. Bleeker-Slikker
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\ \@/ / http://www.volksliedjes.nl

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Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:04:23 +0300, "Juhana Harju" wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:

::::: I do drink milk but not every day. Especially with chocolate cake
::::: or other cake. I don't really care for cake and need milk to wash
::::: it down.
:::
::: Milk hinders the absorption of cocoa flavonoids. Not a great idea
::: to drink milk with chocolate from the nutritional point of view.
::
:: Perhaps that is why chocolate seems to have no effect on me although
:: some people really get a lift from it. However thinking back, I
:: used to get severe headaches when I was hungry - probably a bit of
:: hypoglycemia and the only thing that zapped my headache was a lot of
:: chocolate. I used to keep a box of Baker's semi-sweet chocolate in
:: the kitchen and would eat some when I got a headache.

Dark chocolate contains magnesium. I take magnesium for my headaches. You
may be craving chocolate because you are deficient in magnesium, which
brings on the headache.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0345445880/104-7106978-7055969?v=glance

Quoted message said:

I use coffee for the same purpose. Normally I don't drink almost any
coffee,
so I use it as a remedy for headaches.

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Juhana

My ophthalmologist told me caffeine can give you a headache but also can
sometimes counteract a headache that has been brought on from depriving
yourself of your normal amount of caffeine. I can also drink a Starbucks
for my headaches but would rather stick with magnesium.

René

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:: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:04:23 +0300, "Juhana Harju" wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:

::::: I do drink milk but not every day. Especially with chocolate cake
::::: or other cake. I don't really care for cake and need milk to wash
::::: it down.
:::
::: Milk hinders the absorption of cocoa flavonoids. Not a great idea
::: to drink milk with chocolate from the nutritional point of view.
::
:: Perhaps that is why chocolate seems to have no effect on me although
:: some people really get a lift from it. However thinking back, I
:: used to get severe headaches when I was hungry - probably a bit of
:: hypoglycemia and the only thing that zapped my headache was a lot of
:: chocolate. I used to keep a box of Baker's semi-sweet chocolate in
:: the kitchen and would eat some when I got a headache.

Dark chocolate contains magnesium. I take magnesium for my headaches.
You
may be craving chocolate because you are deficient in magnesium, which
brings on the headache.

I don't crave chocolate. I don't even care for it much. I found out
quite by
accident that it stops my hunger headaches although I haven't had one for
years.
I don't let myself get hungry any more.

Caffeine withdrawal headaches go away with a cup or two of coffee but
hunger
headaches stay around for a long time along with hunger pangs which stay
even
after eating.

Ora

I used to get migraine headaches every month at the time of my menses. If I
took magnesium early on, right when I felt the first little bit of nausea
(with me, the nausea comes first), it sometimes curtailed it completely or
toned it down enough so I could still function. I haven't had one for
approx. 3 months since switching magnesium brands.

René