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  1. OK. There was a request for ride reports from poster Clune.

    Last Saturday, 18th June 2005, I set of with my club-mates from the
    Eureka Cafe, Two Mills, Wirral. I had looked at the OS maps beforehand
    with an idea of where I was going to go; Farndon, Overton, Chirk and
    back through Wrexham. I had looked at alternative return routes, but
    even mentioning them would mean I was setting out alone.

    There were six of us left when we got into Overton, some of the riders
    needing to be home by lunch. I got the maps out of my pocket. This
    brought looks of anxiety from the rest of them. If I've brought the maps
    then we are going to places they haven't been before.

    I was looking for a road to chirk that I have taken from the other end a
    number of times, but unsure of which of many little turnings we should
    use. With a few more stops at junctions and crossroads, we dropped into
    a valley and climbed out to our intended destination.

    A brief lunch stop at a cafe in Chirk while I offered them an
    alternative route back to Cheshire. I had set out with the intention of
    using a more or less straight ride home skirting past Wrexham. The
    alternative I offered was up the Ceiriog Valley towards Glyn Ceiriog and
    then over the top of the ridge and into Llangollen. I have been this way
    before, but not in recent years. I knew one of the climbs here is known
    as Church Hill, but that's not the one we took. We started the ascent
    from Pontfadog. After a couple of minutes, I had reached boiling point.
    One of the lads had 'sprinted' past me and come to a stop just up the
    road. I stopped in the shade of some trees and looked round. The three
    who were still behind me were walking. I tried a step or so, but look
    plates were sliding back. I managed to get rolling again and carried on
    to the top. One of the party was rolling back down the hill to find us
    as I got close to the summit. We waited at a junction to regroup.

    From the top we set off without rechecking the map, and in the wrong
    direction. There were signs telling we were going in the way of
    Llangollen, but it wasn't the way I intended to go when I last looked at
    the map. We came to a junction where the signs indicated that we were
    heading back to Glyn Ceiriog. Looking at the map I was not sure which
    junction we were at so we retraced our steps and headed back north. We
    came to another junction where the sign had broken off, and I worked out
    that I had gone off the edge of the maps I was carrying. We headed of in
    the direction that seemed to go north. It soon dropped steeply into
    Llangollen and we could buy some drinks in the local shops. And most of
    us thought it prudent to ring home now it was 2pm, the usual getting
    home time, to let anybody expecting us that we might be a bit later than
    usual.

    The only route home now was over the Horseshoe Pass. Back through
    Wrexham might be less strenuous, but much less pleasant.

    So we start climbing. Outside the Britannia Inn, there are two riders
    ahead of me and I look over my shoulder. I don't want to spend any more
    energy on this hill than required of course. The chap at the back of the
    group wasn't coping very well even at this early stage.

    I carried on and caught one of the guys in front of me and then rode
    with him to the top. The other guy had been at the Ponderosa for a
    couple of minutes and we all sat on the verge while waiting for all the
    others.

    All the others had arrived except the one who was struggling at the
    bottom. We waited another 15 minutes, then, with the chap who got to the
    top first, I went down to a point on the pass from where you can see
    almost to the bottom. He wasn't in sight. I asked a just-stopped
    motorcyclist if he has seen a rider in a shirt like ours. He had not. We
    calculated that he could have walked to the top in the time he'd had, so
    wasn't coming. I wasn't going all the way back down the hill to look, so
    we headed back to the top.

    We got back to the others, who were enjoying a drink at the ponderosa.
    We set off and proceeded over the Llandegla moors and down towards the
    Cheshire Plain. We got back to The Eureka at about quarter to five. This
    is pretty late and they were closing up. Fortunately were are well known
    to the proprietors, and we could stock up on liquid before heading on
    home. Ninety miles for me, some had further to go home.

    Much later, when enjoying a BBQ at home, I rang the unfortunate chap who
    was left behind. He had got to the Britannia Inn and stopped for a
    drink. The ascent of the Horseshoe Pass was a bridge too far for him,
    having not been out as frequently as the rest of us recently. He had
    turned round and rang home for a lift. He said that he hadn't been put
    of coming with us again, and I had explained that this was one of the
    most demanding rides I had done this year - he shouldn't expect that
    every week.

    I shall make sure that anyone with us in future at least has my mobile
    number, so that I shan't have to worry if they decide to go home another
    way.

    Andy, Birkenhead North End CC

  2. in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew

    Templeman (') said:

    OK. There was a request for ride reports from poster Clune.

    [Snip: excellent ride report, thanks]

    [not meaning to be critical]

    Quoted message said:

    So we start climbing. Outside the Britannia Inn, there are two riders
    ahead of me and I look over my shoulder. I don't want to spend any
    more energy on this hill than required of course. The chap at the back
    of the group wasn't coping very well even at this early stage.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    All the others had arrived except the one who was struggling at the
    bottom. We waited another 15 minutes, then, with the chap who got to
    the top first, I went down to a point on the pass from where you can
    see almost to the bottom. He wasn't in sight. I asked a just-stopped
    motorcyclist if he has seen a rider in a shirt like ours. He had not.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Much later, when enjoying a BBQ at home, I rang the unfortunate chap
    who was left behind. He had got to the Britannia Inn and stopped for a
    drink. The ascent of the Horseshoe Pass was a bridge too far for him,
    having not been out as frequently as the rest of us recently.

    [again not meaning to be critical]

    About a year ago I got involved in the formation of a cycle club. I'd
    never been in a cycle club before, so it was all new to me and I mostly
    listened to what other people said as we laid down the principles of
    the new club. And one of the things which clearly people who had been
    involved with cycle clubs felt strongly about was the attitude of the
    club to new, or infrequent, or less strong riders, and about taking
    responsibility for supporting them. So we adopted a policy that
    'naeb'dy gets drap't' as pretty much the guiding principle of the club.
    When we do our club runs we always make sure that some of the stronger
    riders are at the back as 'sweepers' to help support people who are
    struggling, and we usually have walky-talkies with us so that the
    people at the back can request a slow-down.

    This clearly is a hot issue for cycling clubs given the amount of
    strength of feeling there was about it when we initially discussed the
    issue, and for a very mixed ability club like ours our policy clearly
    works for us. How do other people cope with this?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

  3. Simon Brooke said:

    About a year ago I got involved in the formation of a cycle club. I'd
    never been in a cycle club before, so it was all new to me and I mostly
    listened to what other people said as we laid down the principles of
    the new club. And one of the things which clearly people who had been
    involved with cycle clubs felt strongly about was the attitude of the
    club to new, or infrequent, or less strong riders, and about taking
    responsibility for supporting them. So we adopted a policy that
    'naeb'dy gets drap't' as pretty much the guiding principle of the club.
    When we do our club runs we always make sure that some of the stronger
    riders are at the back as 'sweepers' to help support people who are
    struggling, and we usually have walky-talkies with us so that the
    people at the back can request a slow-down.

    It tends to be our policy to wait and regroup after a hill, this usually
    works Ok. We are (or used to be) a racing club, and the people who come
    with us expect a workout. I had a chat with him early on the ride and he
    said he had been riding up to 200 miles/week. He had the chance to turn
    back earlier in the ride when some of the others did. I really thought
    that he would be able to make it, even if a bit on the tired side. We
    are quite a large club, and have a number of runs to choose from on a
    Saturday.

    Anyway before we abandoned him, we had made sure he was not on even at
    the last point he was seen, so that going back to find him would have
    been fruitless. He wasn't going to come up the climb, so waiting also
    wouldn't have been a great help to him. When I spoke on the phone to him
    he had no hard feelings toward us and was sorry he had caused us to wait
    so long. He said that he's looking forward to coming again.

    The good news today is that all who set out, came back together. It was
    a much easier ride this week though, only 50 miles in some less severe
    hills.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew

    Templeman (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    About a year ago I got involved in the formation of a cycle club. I'd
    never been in a cycle club before, so it was all new to me and I
    mostly listened to what other people said as we laid down the
    principles of the new club. And one of the things which clearly
    people who had been involved with cycle clubs felt strongly about was
    the attitude of the club to new, or infrequent, or less strong
    riders, and about taking responsibility for supporting them. So we
    adopted a policy that 'naeb'dy gets drap't' as pretty much the
    guiding principle of the club. When we do our club runs we always
    make sure that some of the stronger riders are at the back as
    'sweepers' to help support people who are struggling, and we usually
    have walky-talkies with us so that the people at the back can request
    a slow-down.

    It tends to be our policy to wait and regroup after a hill, this
    usually works Ok. We are (or used to be) a racing club, and the people
    who come with us expect a workout.

    Yup, that of course is the other side of the dilemma. If you ride at the
    pace of the slowest, the fastest don't get pushed.

    Quoted message said:

    The good news today is that all who set out, came back together. It
    was a much easier ride this week though, only 50 miles in some less
    severe hills.

    H'mmmmmmm... We're going over Wanlockhead tomorrow. Only the highest
    village in Britain, on the longest continuous road climb in Britain, so
    no problem there... :-)

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; All in all you're just another nick in the ball
    -- Think Droid

  5. Andrew Templeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : OK. There was a request for ride reports from poster Clune.

    Indeed. Thanks for the ride report. It sounds seriously hot over
    your way!

    Cheers,

    Arthur "Poster" Clune

  6. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : This clearly is a hot issue for cycling clubs given the amount of
    : strength of feeling there was about it when we initially discussed the
    : issue, and for a very mixed ability club like ours our policy clearly
    : works for us. How do other people cope with this?

    When people ring up first, we try and explain that there are different
    rides within the club ranging from the Saturday morning "pace of the
    slowest" to Tuesday night chaingang "if you look like you're struggling,
    we'll attack to drop you" rides.

    This usually works well and people move from one ride to another as
    they want.

    Sometimes we get someone out on a Sunday who isn't up to the long rides.
    Usually this is clear reasonably early on and the ride leader will usually
    point them out some shorter options so they can get home without being
    too knackered. For the Sunday/Saturday training runs we direct people
    towards the cafe stop runs if they turn up without phoning/emailing first.
    Then if they find it too slow, they can always do the other ride next
    week.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
    The struggle of people against power is the struggle
    of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

  7. Arthur Clune said:

    Andrew Templeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : OK. There was a request for ride reports from poster Clune.

    Indeed. Thanks for the ride report. It sounds seriously hot over
    your way!

    Cheers,

    Arthur "Poster" Clune

    Well, it was one of the warmest days of the year. Is that what you
    meant?

    If not, then, we aren't that good really. A hard ride is subjective.
    Otherwise we would be winning all the races.

  8. Andrew Templeman <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Well, it was one of the warmest days of the year. Is that what you
    : meant?

    Indeed it was.

    --
    Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
    The struggle of people against power is the struggle
    of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

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