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  1. Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a tiled floor
    with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified by health
    authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has to be top priority
    and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they may drop quite a bit on
    the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a home kitchen.

    My reasons are:

    - you don't really need it as you can wash the floor quite well without
    tiles and drains;
    - realistically how often are you going put on your rubber boots to wash the
    floor anyway;
    - what is good (necessary) in a commercial setting does not necessarily make
    sense in a domestic one;
    - commercial furniture, benches and equipment is mostly stainless steel,
    domestic is more susceptible to water damage;
    - on a cushioned floor, glass and ceramics often bounce, never on tiles;
    - on a cushioned floor a dropped knife makes a repairable hole, on tiles the
    knife needs repair, my knives are more important to me than my floor;
    - hard floors are really *hard* on your legs and back, a little cushioning
    is so much better to work on, to me this is more important than anything
    else.

    In my view good seamless vinyl or well maintained cork tiles are the way to
    go. And I would go for coved edges before a drain, the time saved not
    chasing stuff into corners/edges with the mop will be far more than that
    saved by being able to flush it all down the drain.

    David

  2. To each his own.

  3. David Hare-Scott said:

    Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a
    tiled floor with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified
    by health authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has
    to be top priority and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they
    may drop quite a bit on the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a
    home kitchen.


    (snippage)

    Granted, it would have to be a very large home kitchen. We had one in
    Bangkok. The floor was slate, actually, and yes, there was a drain. It
    wasn't so much things being dropped on the floor as the sheer size of the
    kitchen and the time it took for water on the floor to dry/evaporate.
    Dimitri also mentioned "hosing down" which would be handy. I get tired of
    pouring out buckets of dirty mop-water then rinsing the floor down with
    fresh water... there's still soap on the floor with no place to go.

    Jill

  4. jmcquown said:


    Granted, it would have to be a very large home kitchen. We had one in
    Bangkok. The floor was slate, actually, and yes, there was a drain. It
    wasn't so much things being dropped on the floor as the sheer size of the
    kitchen and the time it took for water on the floor to dry/evaporate.
    Dimitri also mentioned "hosing down" which would be handy. I get tired of
    pouring out buckets of dirty mop-water then rinsing the floor down with
    fresh water... there's still soap on the floor with no place to go.

    Jill

    Amen! I bought one of those Hoover Floormates but it didn't do diddly
    squat because the tile on our floors is textured - the brushes only
    scrubbed the highest points. What a messs that was.

    -L.

  5. "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    jmcquown said:


    Granted, it would have to be a very large home kitchen. We had one in
    Bangkok. The floor was slate, actually, and yes, there was a drain. It
    wasn't so much things being dropped on the floor as the sheer size of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    kitchen and the time it took for water on the floor to dry/evaporate.
    Dimitri also mentioned "hosing down" which would be handy. I get tired


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pouring out buckets of dirty mop-water then rinsing the floor down with
    fresh water... there's still soap on the floor with no place to go.

    Jill

    Amen! I bought one of those Hoover Floormates but it didn't do diddly
    squat because the tile on our floors is textured - the brushes only
    scrubbed the highest points. What a messs that was.

    -L.

    Aha! I've wanted one of those, but we have textured tiled floors too. I
    usually have to get down on my hands and knees and scrub with a brush to get
    the floors clean. One negative of a tile floor is grease stains on the
    grout. I've bleached, I've pine-sol'ed, I've scrubbed - they don't come
    out!

    kili

  6. When they grout tile here in Honduras, if you want it, they can add
    pigment to the grout to match the color of the tile. We had a counter
    top that was tiled with a white/gray marble looking tile. The grouted
    was tinted dark gray to match the gray in the tiles. Stains sort of
    disappeared.

    Sandi

  7. On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:30:09 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    David Hare-Scott said:

    Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a
    tiled floor with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified
    by health authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has
    to be top priority and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they
    may drop quite a bit on the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a
    home kitchen.


    (snippage)

    Granted, it would have to be a very large home kitchen. We had one in
    Bangkok. The floor was slate, actually, and yes, there was a drain. It
    wasn't so much things being dropped on the floor as the sheer size of the
    kitchen and the time it took for water on the floor to dry/evaporate.
    Dimitri also mentioned "hosing down" which would be handy. I get tired of
    pouring out buckets of dirty mop-water then rinsing the floor down with
    fresh water... there's still soap on the floor with no place to go.

    Jill

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  8. On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:30:09 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    David Hare-Scott said:

    Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a
    tiled floor with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified
    by health authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has
    to be top priority and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they
    may drop quite a bit on the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a
    home kitchen.


    (snippage)

    Granted, it would have to be a very large home kitchen. We had one in
    Bangkok. The floor was slate, actually, and yes, there was a drain. It
    wasn't so much things being dropped on the floor as the sheer size of the
    kitchen and the time it took for water on the floor to dry/evaporate.
    Dimitri also mentioned "hosing down" which would be handy. I get tired of
    pouring out buckets of dirty mop-water then rinsing the floor down with
    fresh water... there's still soap on the floor with no place to go.

    Jill

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  9. Sandi said:

    When they grout tile here in Honduras, if you want it, they can add
    pigment to the grout to match the color of the tile. We had a counter
    top that was tiled with a white/gray marble looking tile. The grouted
    was tinted dark gray to match the gray in the tiles. Stains sort of
    disappeared.

    Tile grout can also be sealed (prevents stains), but regardless grout
    lines trap dirt and makes the floor more difficult to clean... it's not
    the grout per se, it's the depressions.

    I don't even like tile in bathrooms... here I have an all one piece
    fiberglass tub surround, very easy to clean, not even any place for
    mold to grow... in fact the people that were here before put the same
    fiberglass on the entire bathroom ceiling, cleans beautifully.

    Tile is archaic, I've lived with tile, I hate it... and tile
    countertops are the worst.

    Sheldon

  10. Sandi said:

    When they grout tile here in Honduras, if you want it, they can add
    pigment to the grout to match the color of the tile. We had a counter
    top that was tiled with a white/gray marble looking tile. The grouted
    was tinted dark gray to match the gray in the tiles. Stains sort of
    disappeared.

    Tile grout can also be sealed (prevents stains), but regardless grout
    lines trap dirt and makes the floor more difficult to clean... it's not
    the grout per se, it's the depressions.

    I don't even like tile in bathrooms... here I have an all one piece
    fiberglass tub surround, very easy to clean, not even any place for
    mold to grow... in fact the people that were here before put the same
    fiberglass on the entire bathroom ceiling, cleans beautifully.

    Tile is archaic, I've lived with tile, I hate it... and tile
    countertops are the worst.

    Sheldon

  11. "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:30:09 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

    Yep we use those and we also use a Hoover Floor Mate. After using the Swiffer
    wet use a Floor Mate and see how much is left. The after you use the Floor Mate
    use it again only this time don't use any of the cleaner, just use warm water.
    Then you'll see why I want a drain.

    Dimitri

  12. "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:30:09 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

    Yep we use those and we also use a Hoover Floor Mate. After using the Swiffer
    wet use a Floor Mate and see how much is left. The after you use the Floor Mate
    use it again only this time don't use any of the cleaner, just use warm water.
    Then you'll see why I want a drain.

    Dimitri

  13. "David Hare-Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a tiled floor
    with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified by health
    authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has to be top priority
    and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they may drop quite a bit on
    the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a home kitchen.

    My reasons are:

    - you don't really need it as you can wash the floor quite well without
    tiles and drains;

    Not easliy unless you want to haul out the wet/dry vac.

    Quoted message said:

    - realistically how often are you going put on your rubber boots to wash the
    floor anyway;

    Don't need them

    Quoted message said:

    - what is good (necessary) in a commercial setting does not necessarily make
    sense in a domestic one;

    Unless you're cooking a lot

    Quoted message said:

    - commercial furniture, benches and equipment is mostly stainless steel,
    domestic is more susceptible to water damage;

    What is wrong with Stainless in a home environment?

    Quoted message said:

    - on a cushioned floor, glass and ceramics often bounce, never on tiles;

    Just don't drop stuff.

    Quoted message said:

    - on a cushioned floor a dropped knife makes a repairable hole, on tiles the
    knife needs repair, my knives are more important to me than my floor;

    See above

    Quoted message said:

    - hard floors are really *hard* on your legs and back, a little cushioning
    is so much better to work on, to me this is more important than anything
    else.

    get shoes that have cushioning.

    Quoted message said:

    In my view good seamless vinyl or well maintained cork tiles are the way to
    go. And I would go for coved edges before a drain, the time saved not
    chasing stuff into corners/edges with the mop will be far more than that
    saved by being able to flush it all down the drain.

    David

    Cook for 1 do you?

    Dimitri

  14. "David Hare-Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Under 'ideal kitchen' a number of respondents said they wanted a tiled floor
    with a drain hole. This sort of thing can be specified by health
    authorities for commercial kitchens where cleanliness has to be top priority
    and where, due to time pressure and crowding, they may drop quite a bit on
    the floor. In my view it is just crazy for a home kitchen.

    My reasons are:

    - you don't really need it as you can wash the floor quite well without
    tiles and drains;

    Not easliy unless you want to haul out the wet/dry vac.

    Quoted message said:

    - realistically how often are you going put on your rubber boots to wash the
    floor anyway;

    Don't need them

    Quoted message said:

    - what is good (necessary) in a commercial setting does not necessarily make
    sense in a domestic one;

    Unless you're cooking a lot

    Quoted message said:

    - commercial furniture, benches and equipment is mostly stainless steel,
    domestic is more susceptible to water damage;

    What is wrong with Stainless in a home environment?

    Quoted message said:

    - on a cushioned floor, glass and ceramics often bounce, never on tiles;

    Just don't drop stuff.

    Quoted message said:

    - on a cushioned floor a dropped knife makes a repairable hole, on tiles the
    knife needs repair, my knives are more important to me than my floor;

    See above

    Quoted message said:

    - hard floors are really *hard* on your legs and back, a little cushioning
    is so much better to work on, to me this is more important than anything
    else.

    get shoes that have cushioning.

    Quoted message said:

    In my view good seamless vinyl or well maintained cork tiles are the way to
    go. And I would go for coved edges before a drain, the time saved not
    chasing stuff into corners/edges with the mop will be far more than that
    saved by being able to flush it all down the drain.

    David

    Cook for 1 do you?

    Dimitri

  15. Curly Sue said:

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    I love my Swiffer! Sweep first, though.

  16. Curly Sue said:

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    I love my Swiffer! Sweep first, though.

  17. Sheldon said:

    Tile is archaic, I've lived with tile, I hate it... and tile
    countertops are the worst.

    true, true, me too, true

  18. Sheldon said:

    Tile is archaic, I've lived with tile, I hate it... and tile
    countertops are the worst.

    true, true, me too, true

  19. ...the good ole dirt floor wins out everytime.....right?

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  20. On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:44:48 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:30:09 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    For normal-size kitchens, two words: Swiffer Wet! No more buckets,
    no more soap.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

    Yep we use those and we also use a Hoover Floor Mate. After using the Swiffer
    wet use a Floor Mate and see how much is left. The after you use the Floor Mate
    use it again only this time don't use any of the cleaner, just use warm water.
    Then you'll see why I want a drain.

    That's not going to happen. Sweep then Swiffer is good enough for
    me! I probably don't have as much traffic through mine as you do
    though.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

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