Coyle's Book Is Selling

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I
know one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says
he'll not ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

Elaborate, please.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

B. Lafferty said:

very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I know
one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says he'll not
ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

It looks like an interesting book. If I'd thought ahead enough to put
together a birthday list, that book would have been on it. From the
little I've heard, it sounds like Coyle attempted to be even handed. If
anyone knows different, I'd like to hear about it.

There you go again, bashing Armstrong at every opportunity. Spare us Brian
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very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I

know

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one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says he'll

not

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ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

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B. Lafferty said:

very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I
know one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says
he'll not ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

It looks like an interesting book. If I'd thought ahead enough to put
together a birthday list, that book would have been on it. From the
little I've heard, it sounds like Coyle attempted to be even handed. If
anyone knows different, I'd like to hear about it.

It is one of the few books I have read that takes an objective
approach--normally the theme of any Lance story/article/book is either
demonization or canonization. The details about Lance are interesting, but
hardly a revelation. The guy who read the book and decided that he was going
to switch to another charity sounds to me like he was caught up in the "St
Lance" vision. For whatever reasons, Lance is a complicated, driven kind of
guy. That makes him difficult to understand, sometimes difficult to deal
with, and a six-time Tour de France winner. If you read books about Michael
Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Tiger Woods, to name a few, you will
see similar characteristics in those athletes who are driven to excel in
their sports. I think too many people try to put Lance and other public
figures into nice, neat, black and white categories, and it just doesn't
work. Is Lance a jerk? a hero? a champion? a dedicated teammate? a control
freak? a good father? I would say yes to all of the above.

I think it's a great book--my only complaint is that it was too short, even
at 300+ pages. The descriptions of the riders checking out each others asses
to see who is in shape had me laughing out loud.

Winning time tomorrow: 21:08

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B. Lafferty said:

very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I
know one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says
he'll not ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

It looks like an interesting book. If I'd thought ahead enough to put
together a birthday list, that book would have been on it. From the
little I've heard, it sounds like Coyle attempted to be even handed. If
anyone knows different, I'd like to hear about it.

It is one of the few books I have read that takes an objective
approach--normally the theme of any Lance story/article/book is either
demonization or canonization. The details about Lance are interesting, but
hardly a revelation. The guy who read the book and decided that he was
going to switch to another charity sounds to me like he was caught up in
the "St Lance" vision. For whatever reasons, Lance is a complicated,
driven kind of guy. That makes him difficult to understand, sometimes
difficult to deal with, and a six-time Tour de France winner. If you read
books about Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Tiger Woods, to
name a few, you will see similar characteristics in those athletes who are
driven to excel in their sports. I think too many people try to put Lance
and other public figures into nice, neat, black and white categories, and
it just doesn't work. Is Lance a jerk? a hero? a champion? a dedicated
teammate? a control freak? a good father? I would say yes to all of the
above.

I think it's a great book--my only complaint is that it was too short,
even at 300+ pages. The descriptions of the riders checking out each
others asses to see who is in shape had me laughing out loud.

Up to #26 on the NY Times best seller list. Will it crack the 10 ten like
LA Confidential did in France last year?

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The guy who read the book and decided that he was going to switch to
another charity sounds to me like he was caught up in the "St Lance"
vision.

I think he, like many ardent Lance fans, have been hooked on the Lance myth
that has been in great measure created and marketed by Armstrong and his
business partners. The power of myth is quite strong. That this book ended
the myth for him is interesting in that he isn't a cycling fan of the depth
that one sees here at rbr. Coyle is balanced in his approach and lays out
many facts that the general public have not be exposed to by the myth
machine. How the public will react is anyone's guess.

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I think too many people try to put Lance and other public
figures into nice, neat, black and white categories, and it just doesn't
work. Is Lance a jerk? a hero? a champion? a dedicated teammate? a control
freak? a good father? I would say yes to all of the above.

I think too many people try to put EVERYTHING into nice, neat, black and
white categories. Reference any of the political threads from last year
for examples. When people are dating, they're generally looking for
Prince Charming or Cinderella or something. They end up disillusioned
that when the person they're with just doesn't measure up. Where I
work, I see too much excitement when a new contractor comes in or
someone new gets hired, things are really going to change, you should
see their resume! In the end, they're more or less normal people.
Maybe better than average, maybe worse, but ultimately normal.

So my expectation of the Coyle book is that it's a bit deeper and more
realistic than what we've seen before. Thanks for sharing your opinion
of the book.

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B. Lafferty said:

very well. It was up to number 30 on the book sale list at Amazon. I
know one guy who's done Roses several times who read the book and says
he'll not ride it again. His money will go to another cancer charity.

It looks like an interesting book. If I'd thought ahead enough to put
together a birthday list, that book would have been on it. From the
little I've heard, it sounds like Coyle attempted to be even handed. If
anyone knows different, I'd like to hear about it.

It is one of the few books I have read that takes an objective
approach--normally the theme of any Lance story/article/book is either
demonization or canonization. The details about Lance are interesting, but
hardly a revelation. The guy who read the book and decided that he was

going

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to switch to another charity sounds to me like he was caught up in the "St
Lance" vision. For whatever reasons, Lance is a complicated, driven kind

of

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guy. That makes him difficult to understand, sometimes difficult to deal
with, and a six-time Tour de France winner. If you read books about

Michael

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Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Tiger Woods, to name a few, you will
see similar characteristics in those athletes who are driven to excel in
their sports. I think too many people try to put Lance and other public
figures into nice, neat, black and white categories, and it just doesn't
work. Is Lance a jerk? a hero? a champion? a dedicated teammate? a control
freak? a good father? I would say yes to all of the above.

I think it's a great book--my only complaint is that it was too short,

even

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at 300+ pages. The descriptions of the riders checking out each others

asses

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to see who is in shape had me laughing out loud.

Winning time tomorrow: 21:08

I agree, it seems well balanced. Doesn't show Armstrong as a saint nor as a
devil, just a complex man who lives an interesting life. Interesting to me
was to see the relationship between "Dr Evil" and Armstrong. I came away
thinking that part of the reason Armstrong kept up his relationship with
Ferrari might even be because he wanted his adversaries to think that the
good doctor was supplying him with "The [censored] That Will Kill Them". Part of
Armstrong's always active mindgames.

I especially liked the parts of the book about Floyd. What an interesting
character. Also interesting was the stuff on Tyler. Especially how good
shape he really was in for the Tour in 2004. Shame we didn't get to see him
test his mettle against the Boss. I have a feeling that it would have been
epic.

Much better than Barry's book which didn't really give me any significant
insights. But then, what was I expecting, the guy is still "On the Bus" so
to speak.

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the relationship between "Dr Evil" and Armstrong.

Perhaps this explains the relationship a little more clearly:

http://161.58.5.90/austin/angry.wav

Also interesting is the relationship between "Fat [censored]" and Erin Hartwell:

www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Austin_Powers_In_Goldmember=subway.wav