Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......

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Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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What do you mean by that?

Coming from Joel Eichen??

Who knows what he means, he is obsessed!!

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Doesn't Jan see that everyone agrees that she is out of contact with the
world?

Poor Joel, and just when I remarked he was doing better.

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I just cannot understand it .....

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Joel M. Eichen DDS

Ledmesee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What are we up to by now??

Joel Eichen Jan 10,400

Joel Eichen Jan Drew 3,230

Joel Eichen JanDrew 788

Joel Eiichen Janster 380

Joel Eichen Janey 7

Joel Eichen Janie 17

Joel Eichen JanBrewski 453

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Poor Joel needs his mercury level checked.

Jan

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Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all over
the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater than
all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the world was
your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the world
into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and blaspheme
his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you! Yes,
the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors and
the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years treat you
worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children to
pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to happen
to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from coming? --rb

"Joel M. Eichen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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With such feedback from MHA, from SMD, from everywhere, how does she do

it?

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Wondering how Jan continues ......

Doesn't Jan see that everyone agrees that she is out of contact with the

world?

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I just cannot understand it .....

Joel M. Eichen DDS

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Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jan launches into her hatred of Joel:

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What do you mean by that?

Coming from Joel Eichen??

Who knows what he means, he is obsessed!!

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Doesn't Jan see that everyone agrees that she is out of contact with

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world?

Poor Joel, and just when I remarked he was doing better.

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I just cannot understand it .....

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Joel M. Eichen DDS

Ledmesee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What are we up to by now??

Joel Eichen Jan 10,400

Joel Eichen Jan Drew 3,230

Joel Eichen JanDrew 788

Joel Eiichen Janster 380

Joel Eichen Janey 7

Joel Eichen Janie 17

Joel Eichen JanBrewski 453

[email hidden] (impersonation) 385

Poor Joel needs his mercury level checked.

Jan

And ignores the anti-Jewsih ditribe of this rb cretin:

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Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all

over

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the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater

than

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all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the

world was

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your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the

world

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into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and

blaspheme

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his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you!

Yes,

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the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors

and

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the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years treat

you

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worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children

to

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pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to

happen

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to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from

coming? --rb

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What a hypocrite.

What a hypocrite.

Jan's okay with anti-Jewish rhetoric like rb's.

And rb's position that God did terrible things or allowed terrible thing to
happen to innocent Jews says a lot about what kind of deity rb believes is
in charge of the Universe -- the kind some people can blame for their own
disgusting behavior.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

Jan said:

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Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Snippo

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Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all over
the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater than
all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the world was
your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the world
into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and blaspheme
his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you! Yes,
the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors and
the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years treat you
worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children to
pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to happen
to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from coming? --rb

Jan gives a free pass to rb beating up on the Jews. She whines about
Joel Eichen, whose post that rubber brain responded to was from months ago.

Jan shows how she will let anyone in her camp get away with anything.

First commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt not criticize a fellow altie.

Second commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt see Commandment #1.

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Jan said:

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Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Snippo

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Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all

over

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the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater

than

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all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the world

was

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your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the world
into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and

blaspheme

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his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you!

Yes,

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the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors

and

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the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years treat

you

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worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children

to

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pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to

happen

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to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from

coming? --rb

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Jan gives a free pass to rb beating up on the Jews. She whines about
Joel Eichen, whose post that rubber brain responded to was from months

ago.

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Jan shows how she will let anyone in her camp get away with anything.

First commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt not criticize a fellow altie.

Second commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt see Commandment #1.

Me or Jan had nothing to do with it! It was G-d that either did it or
allowed it. WHY??????
Also, michele disparaged and blasphemed your G-d, does that mean she's anti
Jewish or anti Christian? For evidence just look what she said;

[ Jan's okay with anti-Jewish rhetoric like rb's.
And rb's position that God did terrible things or allowed terrible thing to
happen to innocent Jews says a lot about what kind of deity rb believes is
in charge of the Universe -- the kind some people can blame for their own
disgusting behavior. ] Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

Hey michele....how was this anti Jewish rhetoric?
As for G-d doing or allowing terrible things to happen to innocent Jews, if
the G-d of the Bible didn't do or allow it then what G-d did? What was the
G-d of the bible doing while all this was taking place? What kind of deity
do you think is in charge of the universe if not the G-d of the Jews and the
Christians? Why are you blaspheming the G-d of the Jews and the Christians?
Do you blaspheme the G-d of any other religious groups? Who gives you the
right to do that? Are you prejudiced against people who believe in the G-d
of the bible? That'd make you a bigot you know! Why would you infer that the
"disgusting" behaviour you speak of was something perpetrated by me or Jan
or any other likeminded people? Why are you bigoted against people that
believe in the G-d of the bible? Is it okay in your books to be an anti
Christian bigot? Hypocrite.--rb

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Jan said:

>Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
>From: "rb" [email hidden]
>Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Snippo

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> Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
>Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
>Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all

over

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>the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater

than

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>all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
>that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the

world

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was

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>your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the

world

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>into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and

blaspheme

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>his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you!

Yes,

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>the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors

and

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>the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years

treat

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you

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>worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children

to

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>pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
>animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
>Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to

happen

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>to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from

coming? --rb

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Jan gives a free pass to rb beating up on the Jews. She whines about
Joel Eichen, whose post that rubber brain responded to was from months

ago.

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Jan shows how she will let anyone in her camp get away with anything.

First commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt not criticize a fellow altie.

Second commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt see Commandment #1.

Me or Jan had nothing to do with it! It was G-d that either did it or
allowed it. WHY??????
Also, michele disparaged and blasphemed your G-d, does that mean she's

anti

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Jewish or anti Christian? For evidence just look what she said;

[ Jan's okay with anti-Jewish rhetoric like rb's.
And rb's position that God did terrible things or allowed terrible thing

to

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happen to innocent Jews says a lot about what kind of deity rb believes is
in charge of the Universe -- the kind some people can blame for their own
disgusting behavior. ] Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

Hey michele....how was this anti Jewish rhetoric?
As for G-d doing or allowing terrible things to happen to innocent Jews,

if

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the G-d of the Bible didn't do or allow it then what G-d did? What was the
G-d of the bible doing while all this was taking place? What kind of deity
do you think is in charge of the universe if not the G-d of the Jews and

the

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Christians? Why are you blaspheming the G-d of the Jews and the

Christians?

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Do you blaspheme the G-d of any other religious groups? Who gives you the
right to do that? Are you prejudiced against people who believe in the G-d
of the bible? That'd make you a bigot you know! Why would you infer that

the

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"disgusting" behaviour you speak of was something perpetrated by me or Jan
or any other likeminded people? Why are you bigoted against people that
believe in the G-d of the bible? Is it okay in your books to be an anti
Christian bigot? Hypocrite.--rb

I cannot see any blasphemy in any of Michele's comments. Nor any bigotry.
But the bigotry in your posts smells like the downwind side of a porta
potty.

--Rich

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Well no, I just told rb to settle down. Mark is lying as usual.

Furthermore, it is the debunker group who defend each other lies.

Mark can't answer, so he insults and makes up lies.

$ KaChing --Rich

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Jan said:

>Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
>From: "rb" [email hidden]
>Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Snippo

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> Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
>Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of Israel!
>Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all

over

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>the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be greater

than

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>all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
>that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the

world

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was

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>your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the

world

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>into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and

blaspheme

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>his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you!

Yes,

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>the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors

and

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>the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years

treat

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you

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>worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your children

to

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>pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you were
>animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of Israel?
>Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to

happen

Quoted message said:

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>to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from

coming? --rb

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Jan gives a free pass to rb beating up on the Jews. She whines about
Joel Eichen, whose post that rubber brain responded to was from months

ago.

Quoted message said:

Jan shows how she will let anyone in her camp get away with anything.

First commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt not criticize a fellow altie.

Second commandment of Altiemedicine:

Thou shalt see Commandment #1.

Me or Jan had nothing to do with it! It was G-d that either did it or
allowed it. WHY??????
Also, michele disparaged and blasphemed your G-d, does that mean she's

anti

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Jewish or anti Christian? For evidence just look what she said;

[ Jan's okay with anti-Jewish rhetoric like rb's.
And rb's position that God did terrible things or allowed terrible thing

to

Quoted message said:

happen to innocent Jews says a lot about what kind of deity rb believes is
in charge of the Universe -- the kind some people can blame for their own
disgusting behavior. ] Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

Hey michele....how was this anti Jewish rhetoric?
As for G-d doing or allowing terrible things to happen to innocent Jews,

if

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the G-d of the Bible didn't do or allow it then what G-d did? What was the
G-d of the bible doing while all this was taking place? What kind of deity
do you think is in charge of the universe if not the G-d of the Jews and

the

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Christians? Why are you blaspheming the G-d of the Jews and the

Christians?

Quoted message said:

Do you blaspheme the G-d of any other religious groups? Who gives you the
right to do that? Are you prejudiced against people who believe in the G-d
of the bible? That'd make you a bigot you know! Why would you infer that

the

Quoted message said:

"disgusting" behaviour you speak of was something perpetrated by me or Jan
or any other likeminded people? Why are you bigoted against people that
believe in the G-d of the bible? Is it okay in your books to be an anti
Christian bigot? Hypocrite.--rb

What a revolting idea -- that people like rb can blame their own bigotry on
a deity -- that they can actually say a deity "allowed" the slaughter of
innocent millions, instead of accepting the fact that PEOPLE did it. I
suppose serial killers can blame their murdering sprees on God? After all,
rb says God allowed it to happen to the Jews, so He must've allowed Ted
Bundy to strangle a dozen women or so. rb's post justifies the actions of
any hateful people by claiming God "allows" them to do whatever hideous
things they want to do. What a worm to blame disgusting atrocities on
anyone but the PEOPLE who were responsible.

Blaming anybody -- except the PEOPLE who were responsible for the murders
of so many -- is truly repulsive in its cowardice. It explains one reason
why rb needs a deity to "be of use" to him -- it gives him a scapegoat for
the inhumanity he looks to justify.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/20/2003 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jan wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Wondering how Jan continues ......
>>From: "rb" [email hidden]
>>Date: 7/19/2003 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Snippo

>> Anyways, Jan and I think that you-(and also Mark Problem, Kingoffer,
>>Karuna and Nidiffer et al) are out of contact with the hope of

Israel!

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>>Why??? Is it because you are mad at him? Kicking you Jews around all

over

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>>the world like that! Choosing you as his peculiar people to be

greater

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than

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>>all other peoples on earth and then kicking you out of your land like
>>that---TWICE. What good reason did he have to do that? What in the

world

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was

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>>your sin against him?Then saying that wherever you go all over the

world

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>>into the various countries where he'd send you, you'd profane and

blaspheme

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>>his name in those countries among the Gentiles where he has sent you!

Yes,

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>>the hope of Israel letting mad dog [censored] and the mad dog Inquisitors

and

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>>the mad dog Crusaders and other mad dog Jew haters over the years

treat

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you

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>>worse than dirt, burning you alive, gassing you, dashing your

children

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to

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>>pieces against stones, doing medical experiments on you as if you

were

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>>animals! Is this why you have no relationship with the hope of

Israel?

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>>Because you cannot forgive him for doing and/or allowing all that to

happen

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>>to you Jews? He awaits to receive you. What's keeping you from

coming? --rb

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Jan gives a free pass to rb beating up on the Jews

Poor Mark, nobody is beating up anybody.

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She whines about Joel Eichen

As usual, that is backwards. It is Joel who has done the whining, over

15,000

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times.

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Jan shows how she will let anyone in her camp get away with anything.

Well no, I just told rb to settle down. Mark is lying as usual.

My record of condoning no wrong stands on it's own.

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First commandment of Altiemedicine:

There are the one and only 10 commandments.

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Thou shalt not criticize a fellow altie.

You will find the real Thou shalt not, in the bible.

Furthermore, it is the debunker group who defend each other lies.

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Me or Jan had nothing to do with it! It was G-d that either did it or
allowed it. WHY??????

Mark can't answer, so he insults and makes up lies.

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Also, michele disparaged and blasphemed your G-d, does that mean she's

anti

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Jewish or anti Christian? For evidence just look what she said;

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[ Jan's okay with anti-Jewish rhetoric like rb's.
And rb's position that God did terrible things or allowed terrible thing

to

Quoted message said:

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happen to innocent Jews says a lot about what kind of deity rb believes

is

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in charge of the Universe -- the kind some people can blame for their own

disgusting behavior. ] Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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A sad thing to enjoy.

Jan

Why? You enjoy being a hypocrite who still hasn't answered this:

**********************
And Jan's postings have done *what* to improve all these many needless
deaths & mistakes?

Has she organized her many friends at the RV park & mounted a campaign to
reform health care? Why not? Is she simply waiting for someone else to do
it? Has she recruited all the millions of supposedly outraged citizens of
the U.S. to demand that changes be made? Has she used her economic clout by
refusing to utilize conventional medicine & its tools like pharmaceuticals?
Has she financed any educational programs to inform the general public (not
just those reading a limited interest newsgroup on the 'net) about the
EEEEVILS of mainstream health care -- or is she content to wait for TV execs
to air such information when ratings need a boost? Has she participated in
any research projects aimed at reducing medical mistakes? Where are her
interviews with everyone who was involved with the cases she repeatedly
cites here -- surely such information would be of value in her quest? Has
she done much more than call the efforts of concientious health care
providers part of a big conspiracy & based on "ego"? Has she tapped into
her years of experience as a business owner to develop answers to the
problems of the business of health care, which is tied inextricably to the
practice of conventional & alt. medicine?

I've read Jan's complaints about conventional health care, & nobody denies
there are mistakes made. Now, the next step is for Jan to move to step
two -- a solution. A mission involves identifying a problem, followed by
formulating a plan to remedy the situation to reach the desired outcome &
doing what it takes to carry out the plan. A mission to help others "regain
their health" or to stop "needless deaths & mistakes" falls way short if the
only step taken is complaining about a situation -- especially when the
complaining is selective & doesn't continually bemoan the mistakes of alt.
health care as well as the admission that there are incidents of
incompetence, greed, & misinformation by both alt. & conventional medicine.

What *exactly* is Jan doing to change our health care picture? What changes
are being formulated as a result of Jan's efforts? What is Jan's step 2?
To let everyone else brainstorm the solutions? To place the burden of
changing what she claims is evil on others while simply paying lip service
to her mission of helping people? To blame others for progress she deems
not fast enough while her participation is self restricted to complaining?

Let's hear Jan's solutions. Let's hear how she has been working to change
the "piecemeal system at best" she complains about. Let's hear her proposed
policies & procedures to reduce mistakes in ALL health care. Let's hear her
ideas for eliminating unethical practices in research, health care
facilities, & health insurance (which cannot be disregarded in the U.S.
health care system).

I'd actually look forward to hearing Jan's step 2. Anyone with so much to
say WRT a problem MUST be able to come up with solutions. Mind you, not
vague goals -- but specific plans to follow & how to follow them --
including considerations like legalities, economics, organization, etc.

Besides, it ought to be a piece of cake for someone who says they are
quoting God........

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

Mark Probert said:

Since my new program, RemoveHate, filters *r*eligious *b*igot, I will
have to piggy-back on Michele.

Just kidding, I did not get rb's post.

A lot has been happening since we invited Stephen Barrett to join the
board of the Illuminating, but I don't think I should say any more.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:35:50 GMT, Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]>

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Bloody spill checker

A job description ?

Rich Shewmaker said:

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:35:50 GMT, Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bloody spill checker

A job description ?

A bloody spill checker would be a useful device in the emergency room.

;o) Rich

And at the blood bank and vampire conventions.

....or in a chemo plant
Anth

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:35:50 GMT, Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bloody spill checker

A job description ?

A bloody spill checker would be a useful device in the emergency room.

;o) Rich