Re: Rath's battle for justice!

http://www.dr-rath-research.org/video/skorbut.ram

llsa _is_ Andrew and it's debatable if 'it' is a he or she.

(and again it is an argument of technicalities which llsa can't seem to
grasp)

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4440

Plaques can grow large enough to significantly reduce the blood's flow
through an artery. But most of the damage occurs when they become fragile
and rupture. Plaques that rupture cause blood clots to form that can block
blood flow or break off and travel to another part of the body. If either
happens and blocks a blood vessel that feeds the heart, it causes a heart
attack. If it blocks a blood vessel that feeds the brain, it causes a
stroke. And if blood supply to the arms or legs is reduced, it can cause
difficulty walking and eventually gangrene.

Next time when I post I will precise in my definitions, so even those who
have difficulty generalising can understand.

Explain why bears (who have high cholesterol content in their blood do not
suffer heart attacks?)

Researchers have not concluded what allows for this tolerance in bears, but
many studies point to an unknown substance secreted by the liver, which
dissolves gallstones and inhibits cholesterol buildup in the arteries.

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/anphys/2000/Marks/lisa10.htm

Could this mysterious substance just happen to be vitamin C?

http://www.nutritionfarm.com/health%20news/health_news/1998/vit_C_gallstones.htm

Next time when I post I will precise in my definitions, so that even the
babies and those who have difficulty generalising can understand.

Anth

Quoted message said:

Snidely F Whiplash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

| > Since a rupture in the blood vessels causes a
| > stroke (blood clot) and cholesterol lysine and
| > vitamin c are used to repair this rupture
| > before it gets too bad do you think lowering
| > the cholesterol is going to have any effect on
| > these ruptures? Fair enough it might reduce
| > vein pressure but when a rupture happens if the
| > vitamin c isn't there it isn't going to be repaired.
| > You have your head stuck up your [censored] most of
| > them time and are more concerned with calling
| > people names.
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anth

Your response to Ilsa demonstrates precisely
her point. Your arguments in support of any
magical treatments would carry some weight
if you could just demonstrate SOME accurate
knowledge of human illness.

Case in point: A ruptured blood vessel in the brain
causes bleeding. This is known as a hemorrhagic
stroke and it is the BLEEDING that is the problem.
The vessel involved is always an artery. An artery;
NOT a vein. With one exception... an arterio-venous
malformation which involves both arteries and veins.

An ischemic stroke is one caused by a clot which has
lodged in an artery in the brain. That clot in almost
all cases has originated somewhere else in the body
and migrated to the brain. The end result of
both of these events is the same. Some portion
of the brain is deprived of blood and consequently
oxygen. But they are distinctly different events
and are treated in entirely different ways.

You write "...do you think lowering the cholesterol
is going to have any effect on these ruptures?
Fair enough it might reduce vein pressure but
when a rupture happens if the vitamin c isn't
there it isn't going to be repaired."

Cholesterol in not a factor in hemorrhagic
stroke. Nor does reducing cholesterol
reduce "vein pressure."

Since you don't know the difference between
hemorrhagic stroke and ischemic stroke. And
you don't understand the role of cholesterol
in stroke, nor whether cholesterol effects blood
pressure, how do you expect any thinking,
knowledgeable medical professional to accept
your assertions regarding Vitamin C?

Anth, I must ask. Do you have a profession?
How do you earn your living. Please understand,
I don't ask this with any intent to denigrate your
profession.

Regards,
Snidely

I never said it did Snidey
Anth

| > | > Anth wrote...
| > | >
| > | > Since a rupture in the blood vessels causes a
| > | > stroke (blood clot) and cholesterol lysine and
| > | > vitamin c are used to repair this rupture
| > | > before it gets too bad do you think lowering
| > | > the cholesterol is going to have any effect on
| > | > these ruptures? Fair enough it might reduce
| > | > vein pressure but when a rupture happens if the
| > | > vitamin c isn't there it isn't going to be repaired.
| > | > You have your head stuck up your [censored] most of
| > | > them time and are more concerned with calling
| > | > people names.
| > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| >
| > Anth
| >
| > Your response to Ilsa demonstrates precisely
| > her point. Your arguments in support of any
| > magical treatments would carry some weight
| > if you could just demonstrate SOME accurate
| > knowledge of human illness.
| >
| > Case in point: A ruptured blood vessel in the brain
| > causes bleeding. This is known as a hemorrhagic
| > stroke and it is the BLEEDING that is the problem.
| > The vessel involved is always an artery. An artery;
| > NOT a vein. With one exception... an arterio-venous
| > malformation which involves both arteries and veins.
| >
| > An ischemic stroke is one caused by a clot which has
| > lodged in an artery in the brain. That clot in almost
| > all cases has originated somewhere else in the body
| > and migrated to the brain. The end result of
| > both of these events is the same. Some portion
| > of the brain is deprived of blood and consequently
| > oxygen. But they are distinctly different events
| > and are treated in entirely different ways.
| >
| > You write "...do you think lowering the cholesterol
| > is going to have any effect on these ruptures?
| > Fair enough it might reduce vein pressure but
| > when a rupture happens if the vitamin c isn't
| > there it isn't going to be repaired."
| >
| > Cholesterol in not a factor in hemorrhagic
| > stroke. Nor does reducing cholesterol
| > reduce "vein pressure."
| >
| > Since you don't know the difference between
| > hemorrhagic stroke and ischemic stroke. And
| > you don't understand the role of cholesterol
| > in stroke, nor whether cholesterol effects blood
| > pressure, how do you expect any thinking,
| > knowledgeable medical professional to accept
| > your assertions regarding Vitamin C?
| >
| > Anth, I must ask. Do you have a profession?
| > How do you earn your living. Please understand,
| > I don't ask this with any intent to denigrate your
| > profession.
| >
| > Regards,
| > Snidely
| >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Anth wrote...
|
| I think you will find that cholesterol is a factor
| since it is used to repair the vessel.
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry Anth, I lapsed into jargon and misled you.
Let me restate this. Cholesterol does not cause
hemorrhagic stroke (ruptured blood vessel).
I realize that you did not claim it did. I also
read your later link to the AHA website
discussing cholesterol and stroke and see where
you got the phrase "rupture in the the blood vessels."

That website reads as follows: "...Plaques can grow
large enough to significantly reduce the blood's
flow through an artery. But most of the damage
occurs when they become fragile and rupture.
Plaques that rupture cause blood clots to form
that can block blood flow or break off and travel
to another part of the body..."

It is the plaque that "becomes fragile and ruptures"
and can result in a blocked artery in the brain. This
is the ischemic stroke I described above.

Regards,
Snidely