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Part I: The Politics of Vitamin Research

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  1. This is a clarification of my original post on 'The Politics of
    Vitamin Research.'

    Part I: The Politics of Vitamin Research
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    Having gotten a few replies worth replying to, I am now in a position
    to restate my original whining with 'greater specificity' and
    'precision' in several separate short posts. 🙂

    I run a Yahoo Mailing List. Over the last year and a half I have
    covered some 700 health new stories that are mostly from 'MEDLINEplus'
    and 'Reuters Health.' I didn't cover all of their news stories, only
    the ones that are remotely related to 'Prevention & Healthy
    Lifestyles,' ie, Preventive Health Services.

    Each of my posts have further been classified into 8 different
    categories: Diet, Supplements, Exercise, Attitude, Resilience,
    Lifestyle, Medicine, and Alternative Medicine. So, of these 700 news
    stories over 100 posts were dedicated to the subject of 'Vitamins and
    other Nutritional Supplements.'

    And, from my coverage of 'Vitamins and other Nutritional Supplements'
    in the news coverage of 'MEDLINEplus' and 'Reuters Health' over the
    last year and a half I have noticed an alarming trend (ie, the
    'troubling studies'😉 which I will expand upon later in my other posts.

    But, before continuing I must to present some other background
    information.

    I think that most informed persons would agree that you could support
    virtually any position on the use of 'Vitamins and other Nutritional
    Supplements' from the abstracts and/or Full Texts of health research
    published since 1966 that is accessible on the internet, in general,
    and particularly in Medline.

    I certainly was able to find citations to specific research studies
    that supported all of my positions on the use of 'Vitamins and other
    Nutritional Supplements' that have been published on my web site since
    1999.

    Furthermore, most of the new stories from 'MEDLINEplus' and 'Reuters
    Health' during the last year and a half have tended to support the use
    of 'Vitamins and other Nutritional Supplements.'

    The problem is that there are a handful of studies on antioxidant
    supplement usage that 'appear' troubling to me (ie, the 'troubling
    studies'😉. In short, while most of the news coverage was favorable on
    the usage of 'Vitamins and other Nutritional Supplements' these
    'troubling studies' inexplicitly presented a very negative picture. 🙁

    Furthermore, I must confess that for a while the negative news
    coverage of these 'troubling studies' had me going for a while. I was
    actually starting to buy into their negative propaganda. 🙁

    At any rate, I was somehow convinced that many recent research studies
    had shown antioxidants to be effective for some men, but not for women
    in general. And, that the men who have been most protected are those
    who smoke and otherwise engage in other unhealthy lifestyles. And,
    this was in regards to protection from 'a large group of diseases that
    the general public associates with heart disease, atherosclerosis,
    CAD, and CVD.' 🙁

    And, I was pretty well convinced from these 'troubling studies' that
    taking antioxidant supplements only created expensive urine, since
    their effectiveness for preventing 'a large group of diseases that the
    general public associates with heart disease, atherosclerosis, CAD,
    and CVD' was seriously put into question by these five (5) specific
    'troubling' research studies. 🙁

    Then amazingly another recent research studied published in the 'J Am
    Coll Cardiol.' found that after taking into account the women's age,
    whether they smoked, and other factors, that the risk of heart disease
    dropped as vitamin C supplement intake increased. Women who used
    vitamin C pills were actually 28% less likely to develop heart disease
    than women who didn't according to this favorable study. 🙁

    Thus, I was awaken from my stupor. 🙂

    Of the troubling research, two were published in The Lancet, and one
    in JAMA, Ann Intern Med., and in Circulation. These four health
    research journals carry a lot of prestige and many people incorrectly
    assume that these journals are speaking directly for the medical
    establishment. 🙁

    Further, I found that the study in JAMA was particularly troubling
    because it didn't bother to point out that another study published in
    JAMA in the year 1997 appears to directly contradict the findings of
    this recent study. 🙁
    ----------
    My message will be continued in a couple of other posts.
    I will post one of these posts a day, as time permits. 🙂
    --
    John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

    Get started on improving your personal health and fitness, today.
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    "N-H-P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I was correct in my first THREAD, and I was even more right on in my
    second THREAD.

    Right on about WHAT in your second thread. All you have said is that you
    "covered" a lot of vitamin studies, and that you find those that disagree
    with your ideas to be "troubling." You then label these "negative
    propaganda." You find a JAMA study "particularly troubling" because it
    contradicts another JAMA study. Well, welcome to the way science is done.
    You have indicated in your first thread a mistrust of the way scientists
    report their results ["distort" and "word games"]. And you also voiced
    frustration with the long slow process of scientific advancement. Sorry, but
    that's how it works. Competent, honest researchers, doing solid work,
    sometimes produce contradictory results. It's right and proper for JAMA and
    other journals to publish these contradictory results. And the fact that
    some of the results "trouble" you is irrelevant and does not constitute
    evidence that they are "negative propaganda." Science is seeking the TRUTH.
    You seem to think you already have the truth, and that anyone who
    contradicts that must be acting through evil intent.

    --Rich

  3. Mooshie peas <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<

    Quoted message said:


    You are arguing with an irrational idiot. Trying to countrer anything
    it says as rational is bound to end in head shaking in disbelief. I
    just ignore it, on the advice of a respected elder

    Peas presents self as respected elder;-) LOL

    I'll suggest Peas is just elderly:-) IMHO

    Having said that, I say NHP also known as Gohde is
    a fool. If he was an idiot you wouldn't be able to write
    his foolishness. IMO

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