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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Probert said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    long before humans evolved much higher brain function)

    Humans didn't evolved, they were created.

    I figured you were a creationist.

    Another pseudo-science.

    I've got it! Jan was created! And therefore she hasn't evolved any
    higher brain function.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  2. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > long before humans evolved much higher brain function)

    Humans didn't evolved, they were created.

    I figured you were a creationist.

    Another pseudo-science.

    To be honest, I expected that response when I wrote that;

    that funny. I expected her to respond to you just in that manner.

    I might be

    Quoted message said:

    slightly guilty of trying to test her. But only slightly; my point still
    stands, which is that there are good biological reasons for parents'
    protection of their children to be mostly mediated through "primitive"
    parts of the brain, and that it's unconscionable to exploit this tendency
    for commercial purposes.

    Agreed. Ihave noticed, as you pointed out, that many products use a fear
    based salespitch when it comes to enticing parents into purchasing items of
    questionable merit.

  3. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Is MLM a Scam
    From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
    Date: 9/11/2003 5:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    > > long before humans evolved much higher brain function)
    >
    > Humans didn't evolved, they were created.

    I figured you were a creationist.

    Another pseudo-science.

    I thought Jews believed in God??

    Jews do believe in G-d, but, I for one, do not buy into the creationst [censored].
    AFAIAC, 'Creationism" is a pseudo science promoted by those who want their
    religion taught in public schools. Wise, intelligent minds agree with me.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To be honest, I expected that response when I wrote that; I might be
    slightly guilty of trying to test her. But only slightly; my point still
    stands, which is that there are good biological reasons for parents'
    protection of their children to be mostly mediated through "primitive"
    parts of the brain, and that it's unconscionable to exploit this tendency
    for commercial purposes.

    My questions still stand. What is your experience as a parent Eric??

    I have a total of 35 years parenting. I agree with Eric.

    Quoted message said:

    For some reason, you didn't answer.

    It isd irrelevant to the point at hand, the use of fearmongering by MLMers,
    et al to sell to parents.

  4. "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Probert said:

    ....ultimately alienating us from

    Quoted message said:

    authentic relationships. When everyone is a "prospect" -- we lose
    sense of authentic human and spiritual value.

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent post. What you omitted was the fact that recruiting friends


    often

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    turns them into former friends.

    Exactly.

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses. You are
    describing greed,
    not a marketing program. The same marketing program could be healthful for
    right thinking
    people. For you it would obviously be unhealthy. You are right to follow
    your dream
    and not become involved in MLM, but when you fight to impose your view on
    others
    to crush them you show a very mean spirit.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Probert said:

    ....ultimately alienating us from
    > authentic relationships. When everyone is a "prospect" -- we lose
    > sense of authentic human and spiritual value.

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent post. What you omitted was the fact that recruiting friends


    often

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    turns them into former friends.

    Exactly.

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses. You are
    describing greed,
    not a marketing program. The same marketing program could be healthful for
    right thinking
    people. For you it would obviously be unhealthy. You are right to follow
    your dream
    and not become involved in MLM, but when you fight to impose your view on
    others to crush them you show a very mean spirit.

    Aww, Spammin' Dave, are you worried she'll impede the construction of
    your downline?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  6. "Teacher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Probert said:

    ....ultimately alienating us from
    > authentic relationships. When everyone is a "prospect" -- we lose
    > sense of authentic human and spiritual value.

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent post. What you omitted was the fact that recruiting friends


    often

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    turns them into former friends.

    Exactly.

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses. You are
    describing greed,
    not a marketing program. The same marketing program could be healthful


    for

    Quoted message said:

    right thinking
    people. For you it would obviously be unhealthy. You are right to follow
    your dream
    and not become involved in MLM, but when you fight to impose your view on
    others
    to crush them you show a very mean spirit.

    More proof that teacher is Dave from Lowlife.

  7. Teacher said:
    Quoted message said:

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    Quoted message said:

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses.

    I really don't think so. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede
    your point.

    However, I can speak for everyone when I point out that for every MLM
    "success story," you'll find -hundreds- of dismal failures ...
    shattered dreams that ultimately only served to enrich the top dogs in
    the upline. This is only one of many reasons why MLM is inherently
    unethical.

    This MLM failure statisitic isn't my "opinion" -- it's fact.

    - PT

  8. "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:
    Quoted message said:

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    Quoted message said:

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses.

    I really don't think so. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede
    your point.

    However, I can speak for everyone when I point out that for every MLM
    "success story," you'll find -hundreds- of dismal failures ...
    shattered dreams that ultimately only served to enrich the top dogs in
    the upline. This is only one of many reasons why MLM is inherently
    unethical.

    This MLM failure statisitic isn't my "opinion" -- it's fact.

    Teacher/Dave is short on those.

  9. "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:
    Quoted message said:

    MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    Quoted message said:

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses.

    I really don't think so. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede
    your point.

    However, I can speak for everyone when I point out that for every MLM
    "success story," you'll find -hundreds- of dismal failures ...
    shattered dreams that ultimately only served to enrich the top dogs in
    the upline. This is only one of many reasons why MLM is inherently
    unethical.

    This MLM failure statisitic isn't my "opinion" -- it's fact.

    - PT

    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else. For example, Amway
    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped. They
    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a very
    solid basis for true
    success.

    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that offered a
    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier. Lets say that people didn't have to
    "recruit" anybody to do
    this. Lets say that you didn't have to buy any particular amount of product
    to do this. How would
    this be uinethical? Would this attract "greedy" people? How can a dream be
    shattered if the dream
    was to help people? How cynical are you? Greedy?

  10. Teacher said:


    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else.

    Of course. Ask Michael Milken, Saadam Hussein, and some unnamed
    Franciscan monk living in a hermitage. Each one will have a very
    different definition of "success."

    Dy definition, MLM success is inexorably linked to recruiting people
    and building a downline. If you don't build an MLM downline, your only
    source of income is by selling wildly overpriced MLM-channel products.
    Only a miniscule percentage of people who attempt this will ever have
    a remote chance at long term business success and stability.

    Quoted message said:

    For example, Amway
    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped. They
    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a very
    solid basis for true
    success.

    In my experience, ALL MLM is based on the same general principles, and
    the greed-factor is thick in all cases. There's this "achieve your
    dreams" get-rich-quick lottery mentality in which up-line cheerleaders
    are constantly banging the drum. This is an integral marketing
    requirement of every MLM scheme I've ever seen. When recruitment is
    the only way to make any real money, an almost cult-like mentality of
    "get on board" religious salesmanship emerges. And this, my friend, is
    terribly unhealthy.

    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that offered a
    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier.

    They ALL promote magic in some way or another.

    Quoted message said:

    Lets say that people didn't have to
    "recruit" anybody to do
    this.

    If you're not building a downline, then you're not personally engaged
    in MLM. You're simply a reseller, and I have no problem with that.
    Good luck making a living, however. At best, you'll be selling a jar
    of this and a can of that to your friends. Ask yourself, is this
    really how you want to live your life -- hawking magic to your friends
    and family?

    If you really want to "help people," I'm sure you could think of
    dozens of ways within your own community to achieve this goal -- all
    of which would give you a healthy and legitimate sense of
    accomplishment and honorable self-worth.

    Then again, if you're convinced that hawking MLM products to friends
    and family is a high value in your life, who am I to argue? But I will
    almost certainly guarantee you ==> if you tell this newsgroup exactly
    what is you are selling, the exact chemical composition (if the mfr
    tells you! many MLM companies keep it a "magic secret"😉, and the price
    points per weight -- someone here will show you an identical (or
    better) product that costs far less, and is not encumbered with MLM
    stigma.

    I'll be waiting.

    Paige

  11. --

    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I will
    almost certainly guarantee you ==> if you tell this newsgroup exactly
    what is you are selling, the exact chemical composition (if the mfr
    tells you! many MLM companies keep it a "magic secret"😉, and the price
    points per weight -- someone here will show you an identical (or
    better) product that costs far less, and is not encumbered with MLM
    stigma.

    I'll be waiting.

    Paige

    Teacher/Dave sells a particularly magic ginseng preparation that he claims
    has (somewhat) cured his emphysema. He has not, of course, specified in what
    way his ginseng is different from that sold by hundreds of non-MLM
    purveyors...if he knows.

    --Rich

  12. "Teacher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:

    > MLM ultimately turns 100% of our waking life into a "recruiting"
    > mindset. As we increasingly see every person as a "prospect" we
    > eventually undermine the sacred foundations of true family and
    > friendship. At best, it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

    Quoted message said:

    You are confusing your personal values with everyone elses.

    I really don't think so. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede
    your point.

    However, I can speak for everyone when I point out that for every MLM
    "success story," you'll find -hundreds- of dismal failures ...
    shattered dreams that ultimately only served to enrich the top dogs in
    the upline. This is only one of many reasons why MLM is inherently
    unethical.

    This MLM failure statisitic isn't my "opinion" -- it's fact.

    - PT

    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else. For example,


    Amway

    Quoted message said:

    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped. They
    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a


    very

    Quoted message said:

    solid basis for true
    success.

    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that offered


    a

    Quoted message said:

    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier. Lets say that people didn't have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    "recruit" anybody to do
    this. Lets say that you didn't have to buy any particular amount of


    product

    Quoted message said:

    to do this. How would
    this be uinethical? Would this attract "greedy" people? How can a dream be
    shattered if the dream
    was to help people? How cynical are you? Greedy?

    Yes, that is why the new scam, sorry, scheme, is to say they are "helping"
    people.

    However, in the process, they are helping them lighten their wallets. MLM
    products are always more expensive than retail.

  13. It seems that every site for an MLM product talks abou tthe business
    opportunity, and not the products.

    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:


    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else.

    Of course. Ask Michael Milken, Saadam Hussein, and some unnamed
    Franciscan monk living in a hermitage. Each one will have a very
    different definition of "success."

    Dy definition, MLM success is inexorably linked to recruiting people
    and building a downline. If you don't build an MLM downline, your only
    source of income is by selling wildly overpriced MLM-channel products.
    Only a miniscule percentage of people who attempt this will ever have
    a remote chance at long term business success and stability.

    Quoted message said:

    For example, Amway
    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped. They
    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    solid basis for true
    success.

    In my experience, ALL MLM is based on the same general principles, and
    the greed-factor is thick in all cases. There's this "achieve your
    dreams" get-rich-quick lottery mentality in which up-line cheerleaders
    are constantly banging the drum. This is an integral marketing
    requirement of every MLM scheme I've ever seen. When recruitment is
    the only way to make any real money, an almost cult-like mentality of
    "get on board" religious salesmanship emerges. And this, my friend, is
    terribly unhealthy.

    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that offered


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier.

    They ALL promote magic in some way or another.

    Quoted message said:

    Lets say that people didn't have to
    "recruit" anybody to do
    this.

    If you're not building a downline, then you're not personally engaged
    in MLM. You're simply a reseller, and I have no problem with that.
    Good luck making a living, however. At best, you'll be selling a jar
    of this and a can of that to your friends. Ask yourself, is this
    really how you want to live your life -- hawking magic to your friends
    and family?

    If you really want to "help people," I'm sure you could think of
    dozens of ways within your own community to achieve this goal -- all
    of which would give you a healthy and legitimate sense of
    accomplishment and honorable self-worth.

    Then again, if you're convinced that hawking MLM products to friends
    and family is a high value in your life, who am I to argue? But I will
    almost certainly guarantee you ==> if you tell this newsgroup exactly
    what is you are selling, the exact chemical composition (if the mfr
    tells you! many MLM companies keep it a "magic secret"😉, and the price
    points per weight -- someone here will show you an identical (or
    better) product that costs far less, and is not encumbered with MLM
    stigma.

    I'll be waiting.

    Paige

  14. "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:


    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else.

    Of course. Ask Michael Milken, Saadam Hussein, and some unnamed
    Franciscan monk living in a hermitage. Each one will have a very
    different definition of "success."

    Dy definition, MLM success is inexorably linked to recruiting people
    and building a downline. If you don't build an MLM downline, your only
    source of income is by selling wildly overpriced MLM-channel products.
    Only a miniscule percentage of people who attempt this will ever have
    a remote chance at long term business success and stability.

    Quoted message said:

    For example, Amway
    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped. They
    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    solid basis for true
    success.

    In my experience, ALL MLM is based on the same general principles, and
    the greed-factor is thick in all cases. There's this "achieve your
    dreams" get-rich-quick lottery mentality in which up-line cheerleaders
    are constantly banging the drum. This is an integral marketing
    requirement of every MLM scheme I've ever seen. When recruitment is
    the only way to make any real money, an almost cult-like mentality of
    "get on board" religious salesmanship emerges. And this, my friend, is
    terribly unhealthy.

    You are absolutely correct, this is terribly unhealthy. Have YOU ever been a
    part of a
    MLM cpompany or are you simply choosing to repeat the negative view of a
    thing that
    you have heard is bad?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that offered


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier.

    They ALL promote magic in some way or another. Really?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Lets say that people didn't have to
    "recruit" anybody to do
    this.

    If you're not building a downline, then you're not personally engaged
    in MLM. You're simply a reseller, and I have no problem with that.
    Good luck making a living, however. At best, you'll be selling a jar
    of this and a can of that to your friends. Ask yourself, is this
    really how you want to live your life -- hawking magic to your friends
    and family?

    Do you actually believe that everyone has such a cynical view that they want
    to earn a living or
    get rich from MLM? MLM can be about reselling. One of the reason that
    millions of people get involved in MLM's is because it may be the only
    opportunity they will ever have to own a business
    of their own. Some get too greedy and lose. A few get greedy and win. The
    reason for this disparity is not a diabolical MLM plan, but varying
    abilities of people. It is like the franchise business. Often
    the people who buy franchises are those who lack the expertise to found a
    business, but have access
    to capital. Franchise companies generally flourish, but franchisees come and
    go. Those who lack the
    mindset to run a business will likely lose it and those who possess the
    skills will likely flourish.

    Quoted message said:

    If you really want to "help people," I'm sure you could think of
    dozens of ways within your own community to achieve this goal -- all
    of which would give you a healthy and legitimate sense of
    accomplishment and honorable self-worth.

    Then again, if you're convinced that hawking MLM products to friends
    and family is a high value in your life, who am I to argue? But I will
    almost certainly guarantee you ==> if you tell this newsgroup exactly
    what is you are selling, the exact chemical composition (if the mfr
    tells you! many MLM companies keep it a "magic secret"😉, and the price
    points per weight -- someone here will show you an identical (or
    better) product that costs far less, and is not encumbered with MLM
    stigma.

    I'll be waiting.

    Paige

    I'm not selling anything, I buy stuff.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:

    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning to you, but could be defined differently by
    someone else.

    That's true. For example, if you were a nutball spammer who'd
    consumed way too much ginseng, you might decide "success" meant
    "alienating everyone you know by trying to enlist them as part
    of your MLM downline."

    Quoted message said:

    Greed does not form a very solid basis for true success.

    Many examples disprove this.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  16. HI DAVE!

    "Teacher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paige Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teacher said:


    The point that I was making is that the definition of "success" and of
    "failure" has one meaning
    to you, but could be defined differently by someone else.

    Of course. Ask Michael Milken, Saadam Hussein, and some unnamed
    Franciscan monk living in a hermitage. Each one will have a very
    different definition of "success."

    Dy definition, MLM success is inexorably linked to recruiting people
    and building a downline. If you don't build an MLM downline, your only
    source of income is by selling wildly overpriced MLM-channel products.
    Only a miniscule percentage of people who attempt this will ever have
    a remote chance at long term business success and stability.

    Quoted message said:

    For example, Amway
    is about making
    money, not selling "soap". It attracts "greedy" people. Most Amway
    participants end up with
    a basement full of "soap" and choose to think they have been duped.


    They

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have alienated their family
    and friends because they dragged them in as well. Greed does not form a


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    solid basis for true
    success.

    In my experience, ALL MLM is based on the same general principles, and
    the greed-factor is thick in all cases. There's this "achieve your
    dreams" get-rich-quick lottery mentality in which up-line cheerleaders
    are constantly banging the drum. This is an integral marketing
    requirement of every MLM scheme I've ever seen. When recruitment is
    the only way to make any real money, an almost cult-like mentality of
    "get on board" religious salesmanship emerges. And this, my friend, is
    terribly unhealthy.

    You are absolutely correct, this is terribly unhealthy. Have YOU ever been


    a

    Quoted message said:

    part of a
    MLM cpompany or are you simply choosing to repeat the negative view of a
    thing that
    you have heard is bad?

    I heard that jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge is bad for you. Doyou have to
    try everything to absolutely know about it? If so, get off the #9 train and
    walk halfway accross the bridge and try it.

    Let us know.

    There is nothing wrong with taking a lok at something, say MLMing, and
    coming to a conclusion, using available information, that it is inherently
    bogus.

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    On the other hand, lets say you became invoved in a MLM plan that


    offered

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    a

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    meaningful product
    that would help people become heathier.

    They ALL promote magic in some way or another. Really?

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    Lets say that people didn't have to
    "recruit" anybody to do
    this.

    If you're not building a downline, then you're not personally engaged
    in MLM. You're simply a reseller, and I have no problem with that.
    Good luck making a living, however. At best, you'll be selling a jar
    of this and a can of that to your friends. Ask yourself, is this
    really how you want to live your life -- hawking magic to your friends
    and family?

    Do you actually believe that everyone has such a cynical view that they


    want

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    to earn a living or
    get rich from MLM? MLM can be about reselling.

    For what purpose other than getting income? Just to makethemselves feel
    better? Bull.

    One of the reason that

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    millions of people get involved in MLM's is because it may be the only
    opportunity they will ever have to own a business
    of their own.

    For the purpose of earning wealth.

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    Some get too greedy and lose. A few get greedy and win. The
    reason for this disparity is not a diabolical MLM plan, but varying
    abilities of people. It is like the franchise business.

    No, it is not. There is NO comparison.

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    Often
    the people who buy franchises are those who lack the expertise to found a
    business, but have access
    to capital. Franchise companies generally flourish, but franchisees come


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    go. Those who lack the
    mindset to run a business will likely lose it and those who possess the
    skills will likely flourish.

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    If you really want to "help people," I'm sure you could think of
    dozens of ways within your own community to achieve this goal -- all
    of which would give you a healthy and legitimate sense of
    accomplishment and honorable self-worth.

    Then again, if you're convinced that hawking MLM products to friends
    and family is a high value in your life, who am I to argue? But I will
    almost certainly guarantee you ==> if you tell this newsgroup exactly
    what is you are selling, the exact chemical composition (if the mfr
    tells you! many MLM companies keep it a "magic secret"😉, and the price
    points per weight -- someone here will show you an identical (or
    better) product that costs far less, and is not encumbered with MLM
    stigma.

    I'll be waiting.

    Paige

    I'm not selling anything, I buy stuff.

    Hogwash. You are selling Ginseng and ideas.

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