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  1. CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his


    worst I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All I know is that this is a kid who was
    diagnosed with ADHD, dyslexia, a few other learning disabilities,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was okay until more medications started to be added, mostly to
    counteract side effects of the first medications. He attacked his
    mother with a knife, which is what prompted them to send him away to


    get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    him straightened out. He was on a whole list of different


    medications,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and the first thing the facility did was get him off of everything


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    see what his baseline behaviors and learning problems were. Then


    they

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dealt with those. He's now only on a couple of medications and is
    attending regular high school and is active in other activities, and


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    functioning normally. A lot of the more serious problems started


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more medications were added, which leads me to believe that drug
    interactions were causing more problems.

    This anecdote doesn't support your claim.

    What part doesn't support my claim? According to the boy's mother, the
    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    Quoted message said:

    All you know is that he was
    getting meds, got out of hand, was sent to a specialty center, was


    given

    Quoted message said:

    fewer and presumably different meds, and now is better. For all we


    know he

    Quoted message said:

    just needed his regimen changed and the meds that he was originally


    taking,

    Quoted message said:

    other then not being effective, had nothing to do with it.

    Excuse me, but he was merely "out of hand" before the extra meds were
    added, and things got worse by orders of magnitude - to most people,
    trying to kill his mother was pretty extreme, especially in a child who
    had never exhibited that kind of behavior before - when the new ones
    were added without any change in his other ones.

    I got my information from the kid's mother, who stated in no uncertain
    terms that the more serious behavior problems, including coming after
    her with a knife, started after new medications were added to his
    already lengthy list of meds. If that isn't good enough for you, I'm
    sorry. I tend to take the word of the boy's mother, who was closer to
    the problem than I could ever be, that whatever treatment he was getting
    obviously wasn't working. If he only "needed his regimen changed,", why
    didn't the doc change it instead of merely piling on more meds, as
    happened in this case???

    Overmedication is a huge problem in this country, and maybe some people
    should get out of the medical profession if they're just gonna take the
    "easy way out" and treat side effects with more drugs that cause more
    side effects instead of doing the hard work and trying to figure out
    what would work.

    Kimmer

  2. Kimmer said:
    CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his
    worst I can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    Of course not, but it didn't stop you from posting a vague,
    unsupported speculative anecdote about him anyway. It's no wonder
    where nonsense such as the anti-vaccine "anecdotal bull [censored]" that
    KyroDoc posted recently comes from.

    PF

  3. "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his


    worst I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    That's fine - and I don't disagree with any of it. My problem is you making
    claims and then when questioned suddenly claiming you don't really know.
    Then when you are called on that you get sanctimonious about other people's
    privacy. You can't have it both ways - either you knew what you were talking
    about or you didn't. If you didn't you should have kept it to yourself.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    This anecdote doesn't support your claim.

    What part doesn't support my claim?

    I already answered that. All you know (and according to your later
    statements you don't even know that much ) is that he had worsening behavior
    at about the same time he was given more meds. There is no way to tell if
    one caused the other, vice versa, or there was no relation at all.

    Like I said above - if you can't even claim to know what happened I don't
    see why you continue to push the issue.

    I would also point out that you claimed to know of several kids that had
    this happen. Now we find that you can't be expected to know the details of
    just this one case.

    --
    CBI, MD

  4. "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Probert said:


    "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Yes, and certainly for the patient in particular that I cited, a
    > diagnosis of "autism," which evokes images of a talented,


    intelligent,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > but troubled being trapped in a mysterious world of social and
    > communication dysfunction, is far preferable to "mental retardation,"
    > which means he's just plain dumb.

    Yes, I am sure that motivates some of the autism diagnoses.
    Likewise for ADD diagnoses.

    No one who lives with a real AD/HD child wants the diagnosis, or the
    disorder.

    Yes, as usual, like his mother, Roger spouts nonsense based on nothing
    more than his stupidity and lack of experience in the realm on which
    he is commenting.

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    They know that dealing with the Schlafley's and Jans of this world is
    utterly distasteful.

    BTW, I sent you email and it bounced. Email me and I promise a great laugh.

  5. "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his


    worst I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    But that did not stop you posting what you did with less than all the facts.
    I wonder why that was?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All I know is that this is a kid who was
    diagnosed with ADHD, dyslexia, a few other learning disabilities,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was okay until more medications started to be added, mostly to
    counteract side effects of the first medications. He attacked his
    mother with a knife, which is what prompted them to send him away to


    get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    him straightened out. He was on a whole list of different


    medications,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and the first thing the facility did was get him off of everything


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    see what his baseline behaviors and learning problems were. Then


    they

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dealt with those. He's now only on a couple of medications and is
    attending regular high school and is active in other activities, and


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    functioning normally. A lot of the more serious problems started


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more medications were added, which leads me to believe that drug
    interactions were causing more problems.

    This anecdote doesn't support your claim.

    What part doesn't support my claim? According to the boy's mother, the
    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    You lay it on interactions, and I can provide at least one additional reason
    why it could have happened. I bet you could not.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All you know is that he was
    getting meds, got out of hand, was sent to a specialty center, was


    given

    Quoted message said:

    fewer and presumably different meds, and now is better. For all we


    know he

    Quoted message said:

    just needed his regimen changed and the meds that he was originally


    taking,

    Quoted message said:

    other then not being effective, had nothing to do with it.

    Excuse me, but he was merely "out of hand" before the extra meds were
    added, and things got worse by orders of magnitude - to most people,
    trying to kill his mother was pretty extreme, especially in a child who
    had never exhibited that kind of behavior before - when the new ones
    were added without any change in his other ones.

    However, you do not mention what his meds were, or were changed to, but, you
    know he tried to kill her.

    Quoted message said:

    I got my information from the kid's mother, who stated in no uncertain
    terms that the more serious behavior problems, including coming after
    her with a knife, started after new medications were added to his
    already lengthy list of meds. If that isn't good enough for you, I'm
    sorry. I tend to take the word of the boy's mother,

    It is not the boys mother whose word in in question.

    who was closer to

    Quoted message said:

    the problem than I could ever be, that whatever treatment he was getting
    obviously wasn't working. If he only "needed his regimen changed,", why
    didn't the doc change it instead of merely piling on more meds, as
    happened in this case???

    Overmedication is a huge problem in this country, and maybe some people
    should get out of the medical profession if they're just gonna take the
    "easy way out" and treat side effects with more drugs that cause more
    side effects instead of doing the hard work and trying to figure out
    what would work.

    Can you prove that over medication, specifically in treating psychiatric
    cases is a problem?

    Try to stick with verifiable sources.

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: "Kimmer" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/14/2003 10:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his


    worst I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All I know is that this is a kid who was
    diagnosed with ADHD, dyslexia, a few other learning disabilities,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was okay until more medications started to be added, mostly to
    counteract side effects of the first medications. He attacked his
    mother with a knife, which is what prompted them to send him away to


    get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    him straightened out. He was on a whole list of different


    medications,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and the first thing the facility did was get him off of everything


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    see what his baseline behaviors and learning problems were. Then


    they

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dealt with those. He's now only on a couple of medications and is
    attending regular high school and is active in other activities, and


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    functioning normally. A lot of the more serious problems started


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more medications were added, which leads me to believe that drug
    interactions were causing more problems.

    This anecdote doesn't support your claim.

    What part doesn't support my claim? According to the boy's mother, the
    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    Quoted message said:

    All you know is that he was
    getting meds, got out of hand, was sent to a specialty center, was


    given

    Quoted message said:

    fewer and presumably different meds, and now is better. For all we


    know he

    Quoted message said:

    just needed his regimen changed and the meds that he was originally


    taking,

    Quoted message said:

    other then not being effective, had nothing to do with it.

    Excuse me, but he was merely "out of hand" before the extra meds were
    added, and things got worse by orders of magnitude - to most people,
    trying to kill his mother was pretty extreme, especially in a child who
    had never exhibited that kind of behavior before - when the new ones
    were added without any change in his other ones.

    I got my information from the kid's mother, who stated in no uncertain
    terms that the more serious behavior problems, including coming after
    her with a knife, started after new medications were added to his
    already lengthy list of meds. If that isn't good enough for you, I'm
    sorry. I tend to take the word of the boy's mother, who was closer to
    the problem than I could ever be, that whatever treatment he was getting
    obviously wasn't working. If he only "needed his regimen changed,", why
    didn't the doc change it instead of merely piling on more meds, as
    happened in this case???

    Overmedication is a huge problem in this country, and maybe some people
    should get out of the medical profession if they're just gonna take the
    "easy way out" and treat side effects with more drugs that cause more
    side effects instead of doing the hard work and trying to figure out
    what would work.

    Kimmer

    This ng has a group who push medication.

    Drug kids.

    Sad that.

    Jan

  7. "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    Or maybe all of the medications are harmful, and getting more meds
    was causing more harm.

  8. "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Schlafly said:

    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    Or maybe all of the medications are harmful, and getting more meds
    was causing more harm.

    Or maybe it's caused by mind rays from invisible UFOs orbiting
    directly above the child's house.

    Jeff said "Roger, you can do better than that." I disagree. I think
    that uninformed, baseless speculation is the best Roger can do.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Schlafly said:

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    Ah, I see that Roger is using his infallible psychic abilities to
    learn that PF Riley overdiagnoses ADHD.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 9/14/2003 6:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    The grump speaketh.

    Nuttin different or worth repeating.

    JAN

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: "Roger Schlafly" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/14/2003 6:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    You got that right!!! The docs hand it out like candy, even to three year olds.

    Yes, I KNOW, I saw it for 38 years.

    And you can ignore Mark Problem, ritalin pusher.

    Jan

  13. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 9/14/2003 6:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Grump, grump grump.

    That's all folks.

    Jan

  14. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Ah, I see that Roger is using his infallible psychic abilities to
    learn that PF Riley overdiagnoses ADHD.

    You misspelled "psychotic".

  15. On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:34:58 GMT, [email hidden] (David

    Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Schlafly said:

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    Ah, I see that Roger is using his infallible psychic abilities to
    learn that PF Riley overdiagnoses ADHD.

    It matches perfectly with my already well-established opinion that he
    is a complete moron.

    PF

  16. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: [email hidden] (PF Riley)
    Date: 9/14/2003 8:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:34:58 GMT, [email hidden] (David

    Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Schlafly said:

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    > child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    > begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    > -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    Ah, I see that Roger is using his infallible psychic abilities to
    learn that PF Riley overdiagnoses ADHD.

    It matches perfectly with my already well-established opinion that he
    is a complete moron.

    PF

    No, it appears you are. Roger is correct.

    Jan

  17. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    Sadly, it is fairly well establishedf that ADHD is underdiagnosed, and then
    those who are diagnosed with it do not get adequate or proper treatment.

  18. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: [email hidden] (PF Riley)
    Date: 9/14/2003 8:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:34:58 GMT, [email hidden] (David

    Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Roger Schlafly <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >"PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >> In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    >> child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    >> begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    >> -- many oppose the label.
    >
    >That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    >a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    >even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    Ah, I see that Roger is using his infallible psychic abilities to
    learn that PF Riley overdiagnoses ADHD.

    It matches perfectly with my already well-established opinion that he
    is a complete moron.

    PF

    No, it appears you are. Roger is correct.

    Roger is wrong, along with Jan.

  19. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: "Roger Schlafly" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/14/2003 6:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast to the examples I gave of families TRYING to get their
    child diagnosed with autism, I have never encountered a parent who
    begs me to diagnose her child with ADHD. In fact, quite the opposite
    -- many oppose the label.

    That is because you overdiagnose ADHD. Some parents do goto
    a physician looking for an ADHD diagnosis and a ritalin prescription,
    even tho their kid is fairly normal.

    You got that right!!! The docs hand it out like candy, even to three year


    olds.

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, I KNOW, I saw it for 38 years.

    And you can ignore Mark Problem, ritalin pusher.

    Who is Mark Problem?

    Why are you opposed to proper treatment of this condition?

  20. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: MMR/thimerosal lie
    From: "Kimmer" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/14/2003 10:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    CBI said:


    "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > I wish I could, but since I never saw the kid in question at his


    worst I

    Quoted message said:

    > can't give you specifics.

    Didn't think so.

    This isn't my child I'm talking about, and unlike some people I don't
    pry into just what happens in people's lives. I'm not the kid's doctor
    or his parent, so it's none of my damn business.

    Quoted message said:

    > All I know is that this is a kid who was
    > diagnosed with ADHD, dyslexia, a few other learning disabilities,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    > was okay until more medications started to be added, mostly to
    > counteract side effects of the first medications. He attacked his
    > mother with a knife, which is what prompted them to send him away to


    get

    Quoted message said:

    > him straightened out. He was on a whole list of different


    medications,

    Quoted message said:

    > and the first thing the facility did was get him off of everything


    to

    Quoted message said:

    > see what his baseline behaviors and learning problems were. Then


    they

    Quoted message said:

    > dealt with those. He's now only on a couple of medications and is
    > attending regular high school and is active in other activities, and


    is

    Quoted message said:

    > functioning normally. A lot of the more serious problems started


    when

    Quoted message said:

    > more medications were added, which leads me to believe that drug
    > interactions were causing more problems.

    This anecdote doesn't support your claim.

    What part doesn't support my claim? According to the boy's mother, the
    most serious behavior problems started after more medications were piled
    on top of what he was already taking. To me, that says interactions
    between the new meds and his old ones were causing the problems.

    Quoted message said:

    All you know is that he was
    getting meds, got out of hand, was sent to a specialty center, was


    given

    Quoted message said:

    fewer and presumably different meds, and now is better. For all we


    know he

    Quoted message said:

    just needed his regimen changed and the meds that he was originally


    taking,

    Quoted message said:

    other then not being effective, had nothing to do with it.

    Excuse me, but he was merely "out of hand" before the extra meds were
    added, and things got worse by orders of magnitude - to most people,
    trying to kill his mother was pretty extreme, especially in a child who
    had never exhibited that kind of behavior before - when the new ones
    were added without any change in his other ones.

    I got my information from the kid's mother, who stated in no uncertain
    terms that the more serious behavior problems, including coming after
    her with a knife, started after new medications were added to his
    already lengthy list of meds. If that isn't good enough for you, I'm
    sorry. I tend to take the word of the boy's mother, who was closer to
    the problem than I could ever be, that whatever treatment he was getting
    obviously wasn't working. If he only "needed his regimen changed,", why
    didn't the doc change it instead of merely piling on more meds, as
    happened in this case???

    Overmedication is a huge problem in this country, and maybe some people
    should get out of the medical profession if they're just gonna take the
    "easy way out" and treat side effects with more drugs that cause more
    side effects instead of doing the hard work and trying to figure out
    what would work.

    Kimmer

    This ng has a group who push medication.

    Drug kids.

    Sad that.

    This newsgroup has a faction that is anti-proper treatment of thousands of
    real, some life-threatening, conditions.

    Now, that is truly sad.

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