50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD"

[email hidden] (Theta) wrote in
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ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a

For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it. That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches. That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential when
he diagnoses a patient with a condition.

If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.

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diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.

But a physician is not required to include in the differential explanations
that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms.

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote

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ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...

No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

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Subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD"
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 9/20/2003 4:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Theta) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a

For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it.

And the MD has a tiny *organized medicine recipe book, if it *ain't in there*
you are crazy.

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That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches.

No, that's why there are so MANY UNANSWERED health problems. REAL diseases are
DENIED.

Quoted message said:

That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential when
he diagnoses a patient with a condition.

And what percentage have NO diagnoses???

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If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.

Written by *organized medicine*.

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diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem

Quoted message said:

dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.

But a physician is not required to include in the differential explanations
that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms.

Well, I wonder why the ADD diagnoses keep climbing?????

Jan

Roger Schlafly said:

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote

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ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...

No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.

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"Mark D Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.

Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.

Roger Schlafly said:

"Mark D Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.

Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.

no less well trained than teachers and the tests are no more
objective. I take it you've never had the same sample retested with
differing results? I also take it that you have never seen any of the
tests administered to someone suspected of having ADHD.

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by asking an unlimited number of questions and feeding
an unlimited number of fears. And if we require that
something be absolutely safe and absolutely understood
before we use it, we'll never use anything,
because we'll never have absolute understanding.
David Wright 9/20/03

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"Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote

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ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...

No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

You are such an idiot.

First of, there are THREE "official" guidelines:

1. The DSM
2. The diagnostic protocol as published on the AAP website
3. The treatment protocol as published on the AAP website.

One thig is for sure, you sure do have a bad case of Posting Partial Facts
Disorder.

Don't get fooled folks, 'theta' is a posting Scientology inspired
[censored]. After he failed to post his BS in alt.religion.scientolgy and
getting away with it he has been on a search for newsgroups where he
and the UFO nut cult (www.xenu.net) aren't that well known.

FYI: Scientology says that there aren't any mental illnesses. It is
all 'spritual'. And they are force to sign such a statement as well.

Recently new Scientology contracts emerged after one of their members
died (lisa.whyaretheydead.net) under their care and they want to
protect themselves better against prosecution. Ask yourself if you
would sign this:

"It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are
spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally
incompetent person-- only those suffering from spiritual upset of one
kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all psychiatric
labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire
to be helped exclusively through religious, spiritual means and not
through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including
involuntary commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no
circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be denied my right to care
from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or
psychiatric directed care, regardless of what any psychiatrist,
medical person, designated member of the state or family member may
assert supposedly on my behalf."

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/dst/www/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection-Release.html

Mike Gormez
--
http://whyaretheydead.net

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD"
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 9/20/2003 4:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Theta) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a

For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it.

And the MD has a tiny *organized medicine recipe book, if it *ain't in

there*

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you are crazy.

Quoted message said:

That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches.

No, that's why there are so MANY UNANSWERED health problems. REAL diseases

are

Quoted message said:

DENIED.

Quoted message said:

That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

he diagnoses a patient with a condition.

And what percentage have NO diagnoses???

Quoted message said:

If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.

Written by *organized medicine*.

Quoted message said:

diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem

Quoted message said:

dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.

But a physician is not required to include in the differential

explanations

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that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms.

Well, I wonder why the ADD diagnoses keep climbing?????

Let me answer that for you, since you asked...

Beginning in 1991, the US Department of Edcuation and Sandbox Management,
under Bush the First, mandated that the schools throughout the USA actually
take a good hard look at why kids were not learning, and then do something
about it.

Well, they did. When kids were not learning the Committee of Special Ed (or
whatever the local distrcit calls it) began to look. Lo and behold, kids had
learning disabilities and also had ADD or ADHD.

When responsible parents became aware of why their kid was not learning,
they did something about it and went to their doctors to find help.

Thus, the increase in ADHD diagnosis.

I have simplified it for you, but, this is the way it was.

"Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mark D Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.

Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.

So are teachers. And the diagnosis requires impairments from two or more
areas, including school and home.

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.

One piece of sound advice...many of us *have* been diagnosed ADHD after
everything else was ruled out....

....yet still seem to get lambasted for "drugging" our kids and for being
ADHD (when we are contantly told there is no such thing)....any advice on
that?

Buny

"Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...

No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.

What about those who are diagnosed after full Functional Behavioral
Assessment, done not only by teachers, but by psychologists, behaviorists,
therapists? or is this not "suficient" witnesses to share information with
the child's psychiatrist for diagnosis?

Buny

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:26:01 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.

So are teachers.

What planet do YOU live on?

http://shorterlink.com/?7RQSJL

MR. SINCLAIR (HISTORY): I started drinking in my car in 1994. I would
roll up the windows and sit in the east side of the parking lot. In
the last space. There was coffee in the one, older thermos and scotch
in the other, newer one. I was caught later that year. But...I would
say that I definitely stopped caring soon after that.

MR. KEROMAN (MATHEMATICS): Early on. Second semester of my first year.

MR. PAPPAS (SOCIAL STUDIES): Once I was on this strange acne
medication. It was making me feel completely different from how I
usually, which is fine. It came to a head one day when I was
chaperoning a field trip to the Museum of Natural History. I was
feeling strange and I got off the bus and for some reason started
crying because I wasn’t on the bus any longer. I didn’t want to go
into the school, but I did. And they were looking at me, the kids on
my field trip. And I felt shame. That was the beginning of something.

MR. LEWIS (PE): I was standing there on the field and...I was standing
out on the field in September and that’s when the geese droppings
aren’t completely frozen yet, but they aren’t so wet that they just
leak into the field. They’re solid. It’ late November when they
actually freeze. So the droppings, which cover the field, were still
slightly wet. Maybe four of these kids ever wear their soccer cleats,
even after I asked them to. No one was wearing them that day and so
these kids were sliding in this goose [censored]. And somehow one swallowed
a piece. In a tackle, or something, but it was all over his face. And
I just, you know...I just hated that kid. I had to clean him up.
(pause) Yeah, but I guess that’s the moment.

These teachers are real.

SumBuny said:

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.

One piece of sound advice...many of us *have* been diagnosed ADHD after
everything else was ruled out....

the most vociferous advocates of drugging other peoples children seem
NOT have been however..but are professionals with a vested interest..

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...yet still seem to get lambasted for "drugging" our kids and for being
ADHD

odd
I have never seen anyone lambasted for "being ADHD"

(when we are contantly told there is no such thing)....any advice on

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that?

as you are fully aware the diagnosis is contentious..

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SumBuny said:

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.

One piece of sound advice...many of us *have* been diagnosed ADHD after
everything else was ruled out....

the most vociferous advocates of drugging other peoples children seem
NOT have been however..but are professionals with a vested interest..

There are those who insist that the very medical professionals that diagnose
ADHD *after* ruling out other things are the same "vociferous advocates of
drugging other people's children"....

<sigh> Those of us dealing with ADHD (or family members with it) cannot
"win" that argument...

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...yet still seem to get lambasted for "drugging" our kids and for being
ADHD

odd
I have never seen anyone lambasted for "being ADHD"

(when we are contantly told there is no such thing)....any advice on

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that?

as you are fully aware the diagnosis is contentious..

That "contention" is what seems to fuel those who constantly insist that we
are not ADHD, we are "lazy, crazy, stupid, enabling, etc"...that is what I
meant by being lambasted for being ADHD...

Buny

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:26:01 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.

So are teachers.

What planet do YOU live on?

Planet earth.

Teachers are not perfect. Most of them are there because they really care
about students.

Jeff

SumBuny said:

"jake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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SumBuny said:

"Theta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
> problems and many more.

One piece of sound advice...many of us *have* been diagnosed ADHD after
everything else was ruled out....

the most vociferous advocates of drugging other peoples children seem
NOT have been however..but are professionals with a vested interest..

There are those who insist that the very medical professionals that diagnose
ADHD *after* ruling out other things are the same "vociferous advocates of
drugging other people's children"....

In my experience FWIMBW..on alt.support.attn-deficit that they are
NOT medical professionals seems to be the bone of contention ..

that is at the root ..I guess..
It seems to be a "dustbin classification" Dxed when nothing else is
found.

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<sigh> Those of us dealing with ADHD (or family members with it) cannot
"win" that argument...

its a perennial..I guess
Nobody can "win" but you seem to hold your corner..

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...yet still seem to get lambasted for "drugging" our kids and for being
ADHD

odd
I have never seen anyone lambasted for "being ADHD"

(when we are contantly told there is no such thing)....any advice on

Quoted message said:

that?

as you are fully aware the diagnosis is contentious..

That "contention" is what seems to fuel those who constantly insist that we
are not ADHD, we are "lazy, crazy, stupid, enabling, etc"...that is what I
meant by being lambasted for being ADHD...

In RL or on usenet?
as you are probably aware.. its par for the course on usenet in most
arenas..certainly this one where your crew never tire calling people
stupid..etc

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:08:20 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:26:01 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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> Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
> and uses objective criteria.

So are teachers.

What planet do YOU live on?

Planet earth.

Teachers are not perfect. Most of them are there because they really care
about students.

I dont know about most
many are there going through the motions earning a living.
In any event they are NOT well trained to examine blood and do NOT
have objective clinical criteria to Dx ADHD.

They are there to teach not to engage in social engineering..

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Jeff

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:08:20 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:26:01 -0400, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>
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>> Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
>> and uses objective criteria.
>
>So are teachers.

What planet do YOU live on?

Planet earth.

Teachers are not perfect. Most of them are there because they really care
about students.

I dont know about most
many are there going through the motions earning a living.
In any event they are NOT well trained to examine blood and do NOT
have objective clinical criteria to Dx ADHD.

No, but they don't need to examine blood. Or make a diagnosis. What they
need to do is report the child's behaviors to the doctor. That, along with
their experience with working with kids, they are well qualified to do.

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They are there to teach not to engage in social engineering..

Part of teaching includes communicating with the parents and others about
how their kids are doing in school and what they are doing in school.

I don't know anyone who engages in social engineering.

Jeff

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Jeff