Emphysema can be cured.....

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> If you think astrology is an "excellent example of a science," that
> tells me a lot about your apparent inability to understand why I am
> skeptical of your claims. Astrology is NOT a science. Period.

Well, then what is it?

It's a pseudo-science; a belief system that couches its doctrine in the
*vocabulary* of science but doesn't apply scientific methodology. It

makes

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claims that are not empirically falsifiable. A "theory" that can explain
everything is not a theory at all. You can use all the "science words"

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want, but if in the end you have to rely on "it's true because I say so"
then you're not doing science.

Would be like saying a vaccine that cures cancer is coming soon?

Straw man. Science says no such thing. People making predictions about
what science will achieve say such things, and these predictions can be
correct or incorrect.

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Or like
saying drugs
are good for you because we have this "real" pseudo-science that says so?

Again, science says no such thing. All medicines have risks and
benefits. It is the balance of risks and benefits that determine whether
a drug is "good" for any particular disease. Science does not make the
blanket statement that "all drugs are good for you." People like you
mischaracterizing science say such things. On the other hand, people
like you DO make claims along the lines of "herbs are good for you."

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> "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> If you think astrology is an "excellent example of a science," that
>> tells me a lot about your apparent inability to understand why I am
>> skeptical of your claims. Astrology is NOT a science. Period.
>
> Well, then what is it?

It's a pseudo-science; a belief system that couches its doctrine in

the

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*vocabulary* of science but doesn't apply scientific methodology. It

makes

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claims that are not empirically falsifiable. A "theory" that can

explain

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everything is not a theory at all. You can use all the "science

words"

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you

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want, but if in the end you have to rely on "it's true because I say

so"

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then you're not doing science.

Would be like saying a vaccine that cures cancer is coming soon?

Straw man. Science says no such thing. People making predictions about
what science will achieve say such things, and these predictions can be
correct or incorrect.

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Or like
saying drugs
are good for you because we have this "real" pseudo-science that says

so?

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Again, science says no such thing. All medicines have risks and
benefits. It is the balance of risks and benefits that determine whether
a drug is "good" for any particular disease. Science does not make the
blanket statement that "all drugs are good for you." People like you
mischaracterizing science say such things. On the other hand, people
like you DO make claims along the lines of "herbs are good for you."

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for
you. It would be along similar lines of saying vegetables are good for you.
Let me be very
clear here. I am suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible
plants (herbs and
vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't plants and routinely
cause undesireable
side effects. Plants are edible, drugs are not.

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Dave said:

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for you. It would be along similar lines of
saying vegetables are good for you. Let me be very clear here. I am
suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible plants
(herbs and vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't
plants and routinely cause undesireable side effects. Plants are
edible, drugs are not.

Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Emphysema can be cured.....
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/22/2003 8:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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(herbs and
vegetables are plants)

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On the otherhand drugs aren't plants

think we tried to explain to you many times before that many many drugs are
ALSO derivatives of plants.....

and all herbs are not safe...natural does not equate with safe

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drugs aren't plants and routinely
cause undesireable
side effects. Plants are edible, drugs are not.

"routinely"??? hardly

dumber than a post...

need a course biology 101

hawki

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for you. It would be along similar lines of
saying vegetables are good for you. Let me be very clear here. I am
suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible plants
(herbs and vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't
plants and routinely cause undesireable side effects. Plants are
edible, drugs are not.

Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food. Those
people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs will
make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or anyrthing
else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

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Subject: Re: Emphysema can be cured.....
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/22/2003 8:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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(herbs and
vegetables are plants)

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On the otherhand drugs aren't plants

think we tried to explain to you many times before that many many drugs

are

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ALSO derivatives of plants.....

and all herbs are not safe...natural does not equate with safe

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drugs aren't plants and routinely
cause undesireable
side effects. Plants are edible, drugs are not.

"routinely"??? hardly

dumber than a post...

need a course biology 101

Not if you were capable of reading the manufacturers published side effects.

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Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
Those people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs
will make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
anyrthing else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless you
can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical literature
documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're making a
dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come down
*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they claimed
would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up there
with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart defects
without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

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Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
Those people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs
will make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
anyrthing else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless you
can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical literature
documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're making a
dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come

down

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*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they claimed
would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up

there

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with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart defects
without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can heal
themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for the
FDA, it does not exist in my country

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't alleviate
it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

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Dave said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for you. It would be along similar lines of
saying vegetables are good for you. Let me be very clear here. I am
suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible plants
(herbs and vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't
plants and routinely cause undesireable side effects. Plants are
edible, drugs are not.

Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror.

Thank heavens -- since you're probably ugly in addition to being
stupid and ignorant.

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A peanut is not a poisonous food.

It is to someone with peanut allergies. It's quite deadly.

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Those people with food allergies are sick. They need to be made well
again. Eating herbs will make them well again,

Is it that you're stupid enough to believe this, or evil enough not to
care?

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eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or anyrthing
else. I notice that you didn't reference people with herb allergies.

I'm unfamiliar with herb allergies. But thanks for the idea!
I'll get back to you on this one.

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That would be a more intelligent comment, and *the* answer would be
the same.

Meaning what? "People with herb allergies are sick. They need to be
made well. Eating herbs will make them well again." Hahahaha. You
*are* a card.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
> a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
> microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
> foods.
>
> This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
Those people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs
will make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
anyrthing else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless

you

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can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical

literature

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documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're making

a

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dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come

down

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*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they

claimed

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would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up

there

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with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart

defects

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without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can

heal

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themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for the
FDA, it does not exist in my country

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't

alleviate

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it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

Once again you spout the lie about "strengthening the immune system" without
having even a scrap of knowledge about what the immune system is, or how it
functions. To attain that knowledge would take a few days of study with an
open mind, but you are too lazy and dogmatic to even invest that much.
Instead you prefer to perch yourself on your imagined "higher spiritual
plain" where the facts about the universe are whatever you desire them to
be, and you can hold in contempt those of us who prefer to get the facts by
direct observation.

Herbal treatment cannot cure allergies. I sincerely hope that no peanut
allergic person takes your idiotic contention seriously and tries your cure.
One who tries to cure emphysema with ginseng will be disappointed; the fool
who eats a peanut after trying the herbal allergy cure will be dead.

Go away spammer.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Emphysema can be cured.....
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/23/2003 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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and all herbs are not safe...natural does not equate with safe

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Not if you were capable of reading the manufacturers published side effects.

oh now I get it...you "think" that all those "potential side effects" will
occur with every person...every time..ha ha ha ha..

obviously you are unaware (duh) that the FDA requires EVERY conceivable side
effect that was reported during clinical trials...even ONE report has to be
listed...where to you think those numbers come from?? made up like the junk
you post??

funny...yesterdays LA Times did a story on the "unsafeness" of St John's
Wort..how it interacts with so many NECESSARY meds..like Coumadin..etc...

funny..isn't St Johns Wort one of your "safe" herbs/plants that you have been
spewing about....???

the article also discussed the potential danger of folks "thinking" like you
do......

but the peanut allergy bs is about the most scarey thing you have commented
on....

called "practicing medicine without a license"..

yikes

hawki

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>> Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food*

called

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>> a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
>> microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both

are

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>> foods.
>>
>> This is just another example of why you are a moron.
>
> That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
> Those people with
> food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating

herbs

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> will make them well
> again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
> anyrthing else. I notice that
> you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a

more

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> intelligent comment,
> and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless

you

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can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical

literature

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documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're

making

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a

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dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come

down

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*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they

claimed

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would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up

there

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with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart

defects

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without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can

heal

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themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for

the

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FDA, it does not exist in my country

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't

alleviate

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it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

Once again you spout the lie about "strengthening the immune system"

without

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having even a scrap of knowledge about what the immune system is, or how

it

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functions. To attain that knowledge would take a few days of study with an
open mind, but you are too lazy and dogmatic to even invest that much.
Instead you prefer to perch yourself on your imagined "higher spiritual
plain" where the facts about the universe are whatever you desire them to
be, and you can hold in contempt those of us who prefer to get the facts

by

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direct observation.

Herbal treatment cannot cure allergies. I sincerely hope that no peanut
allergic person takes your idiotic contention seriously and tries your

cure.

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One who tries to cure emphysema with ginseng will be disappointed; the

fool

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who eats a peanut after trying the herbal allergy cure will be dead.

Go away spammer.

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't
alleviate it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

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Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
>supplements are good for you. It would be along similar lines of
>saying vegetables are good for you. Let me be very clear here. I am
>suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible plants
>(herbs and vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't
>plants and routinely cause undesireable side effects. Plants are
>edible, drugs are not.

Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror.

Thank heavens -- since you're probably ugly in addition to being
stupid and ignorant.

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A peanut is not a poisonous food.

It is to someone with peanut allergies. It's quite deadly.

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Those people with food allergies are sick. They need to be made well
again. Eating herbs will make them well again,

Is it that you're stupid enough to believe this, or evil enough not to
care?

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eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or anyrthing
else. I notice that you didn't reference people with herb allergies.

I'm unfamiliar with herb allergies. But thanks for the idea!
I'll get back to you on this one.

Well that's exactly my point, you have heard of all kinds of food allergies
but you have NEVER
heard of herb allergies. That's because because herbs are "natural"
substances and all foods that
cause allergic reactions are prepared in some way. People with food
allergies get over them once
they are treated with pure natural herbal supplements. The basis of
treatment is Bing Han Refined
Ginseng Powder. We have a woman who was sick with Lupus, this ginseng
helping her to get better now. Her testimonial will be published in the near
future. We have a bunch of cancer patients getting better with the
assistance of Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder. Oh, she knows
more about food allergies than you ever will. If I was rude.......

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That would be a more intelligent comment, and *the* answer would be
the same.

Meaning what? "People with herb allergies are sick. They need to be
made well. Eating herbs will make them well again." Hahahaha. You
*are* a card.

More than you can imagine. There IS no such thing as a herb allergy. As
usual you missed
the whole point. If we cut insults from your vocabulary I doubt you could
think of anything to say.

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Subject: Re: Emphysema can be cured.....
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/23/2003 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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and all herbs are not safe...natural does not equate with safe

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Not if you were capable of reading the manufacturers published side

effects.

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oh now I get it...you "think" that all those "potential side effects" will
occur with every person...every time..ha ha ha ha..

Now there is definite "genius".

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obviously you are unaware (duh) that the FDA requires EVERY conceivable

side

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effect that was reported during clinical trials...even ONE report has to

be

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listed...where to you think those numbers come from?? made up like the

junk

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you post??

Do they have to post all the death notices too?

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funny...yesterdays LA Times did a story on the "unsafeness" of St John's
Wort..how it interacts with so many NECESSARY meds..like Coumadin..etc...

funny..isn't St Johns Wort one of your "safe" herbs/plants that you have

been

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spewing about....???

Spew is such an uncouth word. If a writer for the LA Times said it, it must
be true. I'm
sure he would know. If you will recall you only eat the safe herbs. If you
can't tell the
good ones from the bad and you believe herbologists are quacks, I'd say you
are going
to be best to do whatever your physician tells you. I'm not writing for your
benefit, I write
for those who want to know.

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the article also discussed the potential danger of folks "thinking" like

you

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do......

but the peanut allergy bs is about the most scarey thing you have

commented

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on....0

called "practicing medicine without a license"..

Ignorance is bliss. Be happy.

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Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for you. It would be along similar lines of
saying vegetables are good for you. Let me be very clear here. I am
suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible plants
(herbs and vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't
plants and routinely cause undesireable side effects. Plants are
edible, drugs are not.

Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
foods.

This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food. Those
people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs will
make them well
again, eating food likely will not.

Really? Do you have any evidence at all that your precious herbs can
"make them well again" and cure their food allergy, so that they can eat
peanuts without risking their lives?

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The same is true of milk or anyrthing
else.

My same question applies to milk or anything else people can be allergic
to.

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I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

What? Are you saying that herbs would cure herb allergies?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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> Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
> a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
> microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
> foods.
>
> This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
Those people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs
will make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
anyrthing else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless you
can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical literature
documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're making a
dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come

down

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*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they claimed
would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up

there

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with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart defects
without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can heal
themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for the
FDA, it does not exist in my country

So you are claiming that herbs can cure peanut allergies. I had been
willing to give you a bit of the benefit of the doubt before, but no
longer. Anyone believing your claim that herbs could cure a peanut
allergy could end up dead! You are truly irresponsible.

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I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't alleviate
it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

I thought you said that your "higher level of understanding" doesn't
require "knowledge" or "study." Yet here you appear to be claiming it
does.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>
> >
> > "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food*

called

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> >> a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
> >> microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both

are

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> >> foods.
> >>
> >> This is just another example of why you are a moron.
> >
> > That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
> > Those people with
> > food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating

herbs

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> > will make them well
> > again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
> > anyrthing else. I notice that
> > you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a

more

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> > intelligent comment,
> > and *the* answer would be the same.
>
> Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
> pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless

you

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> can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical

literature

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> documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're

making

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a

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> dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come
down
> *really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they

claimed

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> would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up
there
> with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart

defects

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> without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
> lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can

heal

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themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for

the

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FDA, it does not exist in my country

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't

alleviate

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it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

Once again you spout the lie about "strengthening the immune system"

without

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having even a scrap of knowledge about what the immune system is, or how

it

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functions. To attain that knowledge would take a few days of study with an
open mind, but you are too lazy and dogmatic to even invest that much.
Instead you prefer to perch yourself on your imagined "higher spiritual
plain" where the facts about the universe are whatever you desire them to
be, and you can hold in contempt those of us who prefer to get the facts

by

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direct observation.

Herbal treatment cannot cure allergies. I sincerely hope that no peanut
allergic person takes your idiotic contention seriously and tries your

cure.

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One who tries to cure emphysema with ginseng will be disappointed; the

fool

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who eats a peanut after trying the herbal allergy cure will be dead.

Go away spammer.

I recognize and even understand your ignorance.

I recognize but cannot understand your utterly irresponsible ignorance
and your willingness to make wild and irresponsible claims for your
ginseng (such as claiming it will cure peanut allergies), all in order
to line your own pockets with the green stuff. Anyone who takes your
claim seriously and tries to cure their peanut allergy with ginseng is
risking their life.

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I'm afraid I can't
alleviate it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

It doesn't take that long to recognize your ignorance and greed when I
see it.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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In article <[email hidden]>,

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"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>
> > "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> If you think astrology is an "excellent example of a science," that
> >> tells me a lot about your apparent inability to understand why I am
> >> skeptical of your claims. Astrology is NOT a science. Period.
> >
> > Well, then what is it?
>
> It's a pseudo-science; a belief system that couches its doctrine in

the

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> *vocabulary* of science but doesn't apply scientific methodology. It
makes
> claims that are not empirically falsifiable. A "theory" that can

explain

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> everything is not a theory at all. You can use all the "science

words"

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you
> want, but if in the end you have to rely on "it's true because I say

so"

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> then you're not doing science.

Would be like saying a vaccine that cures cancer is coming soon?

Straw man. Science says no such thing. People making predictions about
what science will achieve say such things, and these predictions can be
correct or incorrect.

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Or like
saying drugs
are good for you because we have this "real" pseudo-science that says

so?

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Again, science says no such thing. All medicines have risks and
benefits. It is the balance of risks and benefits that determine whether
a drug is "good" for any particular disease. Science does not make the
blanket statement that "all drugs are good for you." People like you
mischaracterizing science say such things. On the other hand, people
like you DO make claims along the lines of "herbs are good for you."

Yes, you are absolutely correct, people like me say that herbs and
supplements are good for
you. It would be along similar lines of saying vegetables are good for you.

No it wouldn't. You don't need herbs to have a nutritious diet. On the
other hand, it is very difficult, if not nearly impossible, to achieve a
nutritious, balanced diet without vegetables.

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Let me be very
clear here. I am suggesting only non-poisonous, non-hallucinogenic, edible
plants (herbs and
vegetables are plants). On the otherhand drugs aren't plants and routinely
cause undesireable
side effects.

[censored]. Many drugs ARE extracts from plants or compounds taken from
plants, just as your ginseng powder is an extract from ginseng. The only
difference is that the quality control for drugs during the
manufacturing process is far superior.

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Plants are edible, drugs are not.

If drugs aren't edible, then why are most of them taken orally?
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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I'm unfamiliar with herb allergies. But thanks for the idea!
I'll get back to you on this one.

Well that's exactly my point, you have heard of all kinds of food allergies
but you have NEVER
heard of herb allergies. That's because because herbs are "natural"
substances and all foods that
cause allergic reactions are prepared in some way.

[censored]. If a person with a peanut allergy pulled ate a
freshly-harvested peanut out of a peanut farmer's field, he'd have just
as severe a reaction as if he ate peanut butter.

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People with food
allergies get over them once
they are treated with pure natural herbal supplements.

Can you provide evidence to support this irresponsible assertion? If
not, why, then, shouldn't I conclude that you are an irresponsible quack
who is willing to risk the lives of people with food allergies by
telling them they can cure their allergy with herbs?

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The basis of
treatment is Bing Han Refined
Ginseng Powder.

Evidence that this powder cures food allergies, as you claim?

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We have a woman who was sick with Lupus, this ginseng
helping her to get better now.Her testimonial will be published in the near
future.

That, and a dollar, might get you a cup of coffee. Anecdotes alone do
not constitute scientific evidence. Also, the plural of "anecdote" is
NOT "data."

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We have a bunch of cancer patients getting better with the
assistance of Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder.

Suuuurrre you do. Then show us the data. You could easily do, at the
very least, a prospective case series. It would be relatively weak
evidence, as far as the levels of evidence go, but stronger than the
anecdotal [censored] you've been trying to feed us so far.

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ever heard of food allergies, Spammin' Dave? There's a *food* called
> a peanut. People with peanut allergies can die after contact with
> microscopic amounts of peanuts. The same applies to milk. Both are
> foods.
>
> This is just another example of why you are a moron.

That's not my face in your mirror. A peanut is not a poisonous food.
Those people with
food allergies are sick. They need to be made well again. Eating herbs
will make them well
again, eating food likely will not. The same is true of milk or
anyrthing else. I notice that
you didn't reference people with herb allergies. That would be a more
intelligent comment,
and *the* answer would be the same.

Yikes! You're really claiming that peanut allergies (which, as David
pointed out, can be *lethal*) can be "cured" by eating herbs? Unless

you

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can provide some solid references to the peer-reviewed medical

literature

Quoted message said:

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documenting that nut allergies can be eliminated herbally, you're making

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dangerously irresponsible claim. I would hope that the FDA would come

down

Quoted message said:

*really*, *really* hard on anyone selling a "supplement" that they

claimed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would allow someone allergic to peanuts to eat them. That's right up

there

Quoted message said:

with claiming that "natural" treatments can cure congenital heart

defects

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

without surgery. Most "alt" claims are unlikely to cost people their
lives, but this one could.

Apparently this will come as news to you? Where are you from? Herbs have
been used
for centuries to strengthen our immune system. Only our own bodies can

heal

Quoted message said:

themselves.
The role of such things as ginseng is to provide that strength. As for the
FDA, it does not exist in my country

I recognize and even understand your ignorance. I'm afraid I can't

alleviate

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it because your
level of understanding would require years of study with an open mind to
begin to understand.

You merely claiming that herbs do anything to the immune system is not
proof. Care to provide some?