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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
    Date: 10/13/2003 6:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    ARF!

    What a bunch of garbage.

    Le moo

    Quoted message said:

    Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Like the inevitability of death and decay? Humour is a tried and true
    mechanism for dealing with the stress of unavoidable situations.

    Quoted message said:

    And since Carole doesn't have that mechanism available to her

    Eric is now making up stories. He knows not what Carole has.

    Quoted message said:

    As you say, it's likely a defence mechanism.

    Evident of ye god ole boy and girl club. You lie and I'll swear to it.

    Quoted message said:

    critical thinking filters

    Quoted message said:

    delusional environment

    ZZzz.

    You left out a few.

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, , complete
    fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
    respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading comphrension,
    ,little insight,, don't think highly of yourself,, the person making the
    claim is lying,, the major problems of this newsgroup,, incredible story,,if
    I were you, I'll let the reader decide,, self image,, difficult for you to
    understand,, your own intolerance,, ridig idelogous,, they often act,,
    Irealize,, it is sad,, I have demonstrated,,

    The debunker group,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    They tell lies repeatedly.

    They make up stories.

    They twist and turn the posts of the alternative group.

    They call names.

    They use profanity.

    They belittle constantly.

    They use different names and are too dishonest to post under their real names.

    They lie about who they really are.

    They use all kinds of fake addys

    They don't give a damn, if their buddies tell lies.

    They lie for each other.

    They push drugs.

    They accuse others of EXACTLY what they are guilty of.

    Lying is accepted on this ng, and in this world today.

    Some of them are cyberstalkers who stoop so low as to use ill and even dead
    parents to belittle.

    Some follow those around who speak the truth, for no other reason but to
    harass.

    Some try to get by with impersonating and signing your name.

    Some have a repeated pattern of abuse, and are so ashamed, they nuke their
    posts.

    Some are lackeys for Barrett.

    They harp for months on end about such things as MLM, but they have very little
    to say about all the needless deaths and mistakes.

    When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster personally .

    They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from the
    alternative group, but they have double standards, as very little of
    conventional medicine has been proven.

    There is NOT one single study proving the safety of amalgams, so they use the
    ole going by record, which doesn't fly. That record only includes the propganda
    and LIES put forth by organized medicine, the AMA and ADA, who lie through
    thier teeth.

    They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of organized
    medicine.

    Satan has control of them, most of them deny God.

    This is very sad.

    Jan

  2. On 14 Oct 2003 00:47:44 GMT, Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I don't like mirth and merriment - to me it is simple
    minded.

    This, along with a complete lack of humility and an inability to admit
    error, is a fundamental characteristic of kooks. Follow this twit for
    awhile, and a few others here, and note how deeply seriously they take
    their beliefs All their beliefs. Early recognition of these signs is
    a valuable tool in any critical thinker's kit.

    I've come to believe that the kook's lack of a sense of humor is actually a
    *cause* rather than an *effect* of their kookery. While I don't
    necessarily agree with the sociobiologists (now calling themselves
    "evolutionary psychologists"😉 that all mental traits must have been
    specifically selected for, I do believe that the sense of humor serves some
    adaptive purposes and I very strongly suspect that one of them is to serve
    as a sanity check on our own ideations.

    The essence of the sense of humor is the ability to recognize that
    something is incongruous or ridiculous. If you put people, "normal," non-
    delusional people, in an environment where nothing they say can be
    questioned, they will rather quickly begin to come up with some really off-
    the-wall stuff. And if someone lacks a sense of humor, it will happen much
    more quickly. Because they can't tell if what they're coming up with is
    ridiculous or not. I suspect that we all start to think absurd thoughts
    several times a day, but our sense of humor shuts them down before they can
    do any harm (and before we're even aware of them).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I prefer logic and problem solving. One of my pet hates is people who
    say "Don't worry, everything will be alright" and just laugh and and
    make light of situations that they should worry about.

    Like the inevitability of death and decay? Humour is a tried and true
    mechanism for dealing with the stress of unavoidable situations.

    And since Carole doesn't have that mechanism available to her, she has to
    believe that, for example, the laws of thermodynamics oppress third-world
    people. The only way for her to keep from despairing is to believe that
    the world can be made to work however you wish it to be. Black humor is
    one of the few ways we can somewhat bridge the philosophical chasm between
    "what is" and "what should be."

    An interesting theory. I believe that the root cause of much kookery
    is anxiety. And anxiety/chronic worrying may then lead to lack of
    sense of humor. After all it is difficult to find things funny when
    you are worrying all the time.

    Worrying and the fear of loss of control then leads to a thought
    process that tries to gain that control back. Fear of getting ill and
    the anxiety associated with not having control over one's body may
    then lead to a belief system that involves gaining more control over
    your health. In Carole's case it is the belief that cell salts can
    cure all illnesses.

    Others go from one alternative treatment to another, often having
    transient positive placebo responses only to find that the good
    feeling is short lived. But they hold on to the belief that these
    alternative therapies actually work because not believing would result
    in overwhelming anxiety which would not be tolerable. They then reduce
    their anxiety by developing a belief system that may not be rational
    (not based on logic) but it serves the purpose in making them feel
    better (at least in the short term).

    It is the intense fear of getting ill and dying that often results in
    the development of irrational ideas that help the person gain control
    and reduce their anxiety. In many cases the effect is transient and
    they must find some alternative (and often equally irrational)
    beliefs.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    ------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, , complete
    fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
    respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading
    comphrension,
    ,little insight,, don't think highly of

    gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me?? pot=kettle=black

    Quoted message said:

    They tell lies repeatedly.

    and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often totally make her
    look the fool (because she doesn't understand the context)

    Quoted message said:

    When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster personally
    .

    ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old gibberish
    that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

    Quoted message said:

    They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from the
    alternative group, but they have double standards, as very little of
    conventional medicine has been proven.

    "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
    comprehension.....

    Quoted message said:

    They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of
    organized
    medicine.

    as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated
    professionals....when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

    the gall...the stupidity..

    sad that...
    hawki

  4. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
    Date: 10/13/2003 6:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    ARF!

    What a bunch of garbage.

    Definition: I did not understand one concept.

    Quoted message said:

    Le moo

    Quoted message said:

    Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news

    Quoted message said:

    > Like the inevitability of death and decay? Humour is a tried and


    true

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > mechanism for dealing with the stress of unavoidable situations.

    Quoted message said:

    And since Carole doesn't have that mechanism available to her

    Eric is now making up stories. He knows not what Carole has.

    Of course he does. He is a good reader, and can see what she writes and make
    his own, independent judgment.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As you say, it's likely a defence mechanism.

    Evident of ye god ole boy and girl club. You lie and I'll swear to it.

    You did not understand what was written, but do know that. strange.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    critical thinking filters

    Quoted message said:

    delusional environment

    ZZzz.

    More studying by Jan. Or, perhaps she has an undiagnosed sleep disorder
    which is masquerading itself as stupidity?

    Quoted message said:

    You left out a few.

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, , complete
    fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
    respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading


    comphrension,

    Quoted message said:

    ,little insight,, don't think highly of yourself,, the person making the
    claim is lying,, the major problems of this newsgroup,, incredible


    story,,if

    Quoted message said:

    I were you, I'll let the reader decide,, self image,, difficult for you


    to

    Quoted message said:

    understand,, your own intolerance,, ridig idelogous,, they often act,,
    Irealize,, it is sad,, I have demonstrated,,

    Good list, Where did you plagiarize it from?

  5. (Jan) said:

    Satan has control of them, most of them deny God.

    That is just one example (of many !) of Jan Drew's religious insanity.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

  6. "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I don't like mirth and merriment - to me it is simple
    minded.

    This, along with a complete lack of humility and an inability to admit
    error, is a fundamental characteristic of kooks. Follow this twit for
    awhile, and a few others here, and note how deeply seriously they take


    their

    Quoted message said:

    beliefs All their beliefs. Early recognition of these signs is a


    valuable

    Quoted message said:

    tool in any critical thinker's kit.

    Quoted message said:

    I prefer logic and problem solving. One of my pet hates is people who
    say "Don't worry, everything will be alright" and just laugh and and
    make light of situations that they should worry about.

    Like the inevitability of death and decay? Humour is a tried and true
    mechanism for dealing with the stress of unavoidable situations.

    Le 3ieme Moo


    Dawg, this is good, your best yet. No giggling in the hall either.

  7. OHHHHH! I love it when you talk so intellectual. It matters not that it is
    all BS. I love it when you act like you are so wise. Oh oh oh baby!
    "Rich" <,@.> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 14 Oct 2003 00:47:44 GMT, Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    > Personally, I don't like mirth and merriment - to me it is simple
    > minded.

    This, along with a complete lack of humility and an inability to admit
    error, is a fundamental characteristic of kooks. Follow this twit for
    awhile, and a few others here, and note how deeply seriously they take
    their beliefs All their beliefs. Early recognition of these signs is
    a valuable tool in any critical thinker's kit.

    I've come to believe that the kook's lack of a sense of humor is actually


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *cause* rather than an *effect* of their kookery. While I don't
    necessarily agree with the sociobiologists (now calling themselves
    "evolutionary psychologists"😉 that all mental traits must have been
    specifically selected for, I do believe that the sense of humor serves


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    adaptive purposes and I very strongly suspect that one of them is to


    serve

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as a sanity check on our own ideations.

    The essence of the sense of humor is the ability to recognize that
    something is incongruous or ridiculous. If you put people, "normal,"


    non-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    delusional people, in an environment where nothing they say can be
    questioned, they will rather quickly begin to come up with some really


    off-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the-wall stuff. And if someone lacks a sense of humor, it will happen


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more quickly. Because they can't tell if what they're coming up with is
    ridiculous or not. I suspect that we all start to think absurd thoughts
    several times a day, but our sense of humor shuts them down before they


    can

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do any harm (and before we're even aware of them).

    Quoted message said:

    > I prefer logic and problem solving. One of my pet hates is people who
    > say "Don't worry, everything will be alright" and just laugh and and
    > make light of situations that they should worry about.

    Like the inevitability of death and decay? Humour is a tried and true
    mechanism for dealing with the stress of unavoidable situations.

    And since Carole doesn't have that mechanism available to her, she has to
    believe that, for example, the laws of thermodynamics oppress third-world
    people. The only way for her to keep from despairing is to believe that
    the world can be made to work however you wish it to be. Black humor is
    one of the few ways we can somewhat bridge the philosophical chasm


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "what is" and "what should be."

    An interesting theory. I believe that the root cause of much kookery
    is anxiety. And anxiety/chronic worrying may then lead to lack of
    sense of humor. After all it is difficult to find things funny when
    you are worrying all the time.

    Worrying and the fear of loss of control then leads to a thought
    process that tries to gain that control back. Fear of getting ill and
    the anxiety associated with not having control over one's body may
    then lead to a belief system that involves gaining more control over
    your health. In Carole's case it is the belief that cell salts can
    cure all illnesses.

    Others go from one alternative treatment to another, often having
    transient positive placebo responses only to find that the good
    feeling is short lived. But they hold on to the belief that these
    alternative therapies actually work because not believing would result
    in overwhelming anxiety which would not be tolerable. They then reduce
    their anxiety by developing a belief system that may not be rational
    (not based on logic) but it serves the purpose in making them feel
    better (at least in the short term).

    It is the intense fear of getting ill and dying that often results in
    the development of irrational ideas that help the person gain control
    and reduce their anxiety. In many cases the effect is transient and
    they must find some alternative (and often equally irrational)
    beliefs.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    ------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Satan has control of them, most of them deny God.

    Correctly stated, most deny your interpretation of G-d.

    You "think" yours is the 'one right way.'

    Not only is that sad, but scary.

  9. If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
    need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
    determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
    that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your assumed
    superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the world
    could not see it for themselves?
    I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
    from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
    attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to do
    so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others, and
    ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your former
    tormenters.
    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, , complete
    fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
    respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading
    comphrension,
    ,little insight,, don't think highly of

    gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??


    pot=kettle=black

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    They tell lies repeatedly.

    and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often totally make


    her

    Quoted message said:

    look the fool (because she doesn't understand the context)

    Quoted message said:

    When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster


    personally

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    .

    ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old


    gibberish

    Quoted message said:

    that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

    Quoted message said:

    They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from the
    alternative group, but they have double standards, as very little of
    conventional medicine has been proven.

    "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
    comprehension.....

    Quoted message said:

    They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of
    organized
    medicine.

    as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated
    professionals....when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

    the gall...the stupidity..

    sad that...
    hawki

  10. "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
    need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
    determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
    that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your assumed
    superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the


    world

    Quoted message said:

    could not see it for themselves?
    I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
    from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
    attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses


    ass

    Quoted message said:

    for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others, and
    ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your former
    tormenters.

    Wow. You are quite correct. We can all easily see others for who they
    actually are.
    The difficulty comes when we need to see ourselves. That is a supreme
    problem
    for the spiritually challenged.

    Quoted message said:

    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, ,


    complete

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
    respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading
    comphrension,
    ,little insight,, don't think highly of

    gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??


    pot=kettle=black

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    They tell lies repeatedly.

    and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often totally


    make

    Quoted message said:

    her

    Quoted message said:

    look the fool (because she doesn't understand the context)

    Quoted message said:

    When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster


    personally

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    .

    ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old


    gibberish

    Quoted message said:

    that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

    Quoted message said:

    They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from the
    alternative group, but they have double standards, as very little of
    conventional medicine has been proven.

    "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
    comprehension.....

    Quoted message said:

    They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of
    organized
    medicine.

    as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated
    professionals....when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

    the gall...the stupidity..

    sad that...
    hawki

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
    need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
    determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
    that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your assumed
    superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the


    world

    Quoted message said:

    could not see it for themselves?
    I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
    from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
    attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses


    ass

    Quoted message said:

    for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others, and
    ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your former
    tormenters.

    Wow. You are quite correct. We can all easily see others for who they
    actually are.
    The difficulty comes when we need to see ourselves. That is a supreme
    problem
    for the spiritually challenged.

    And, of course, we all know that you consider yourself to be on a
    "higher" spiritual plane. Odd, though, that for someone supposedly on
    such a "higher spiritual plane," you seem unable to recognize yourself
    for what you are: a huckster making hugely exaggerated claims for the
    health benefits of Ginseng powder, so that you can sell it through an
    MLM scheme at nearly $300 for a 150 g tin.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. --

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    < SNIP >

    Quoted message said:

    ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    for doctors.

    Question for the doctors in this group:

    Do nurses kiss your asses?

    Just wondering if toolz is right.

    ;o) Rich

  13. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that


    YOU

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the


    doctor,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your


    assumed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the


    world

    Quoted message said:

    could not see it for themselves?
    I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking


    orders

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do

    Quoted message said:

    so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who


    kisses

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ass

    Quoted message said:

    for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your


    former

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tormenters.

    Wow. You are quite correct. We can all easily see others for who they
    actually are.
    The difficulty comes when we need to see ourselves. That is a supreme
    problem
    for the spiritually challenged.

    And, of course, we all know that you consider yourself to be on a
    "higher" spiritual plane. Odd, though, that for someone supposedly on
    such a "higher spiritual plane," you seem unable to recognize yourself
    for what you are: a huckster making hugely exaggerated claims for the
    health benefits of Ginseng powder, so that you can sell it through an
    MLM scheme at nearly $300 for a 150 g tin.

    You are finally correct, I am not a huckster, and everyone is on a higher
    spiritual plane than you appear to be.

  14. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    < SNIP >

    Quoted message said:

    ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    for doctors.

    Question for the doctors in this group:

    Do nurses kiss your asses?

    Just wondering if toolz is right.

    One thing that Stools is dead wrong about is theat anyone is "only" a nurse.
    Nurses provide the minute by minute care.

    When myson came home from the neonatalintensive care unit 15 years ago this
    week, we went out and bought a rocking chair with nice comfortable pads, and
    a plaque:

    "Dedicated to the dedicated"

    with my son's name on it.

    'nuf said.

  15. I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated. My rant
    was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because of
    her "education" over the last few weeks. Seems that some of you think a bit
    too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the only
    way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the only
    way.

    "Markositious Probertositious" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    < SNIP >

    Quoted message said:

    ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    for doctors.

    Question for the doctors in this group:

    Do nurses kiss your asses?

    Just wondering if toolz is right.

    One thing that Stools is dead wrong about is theat anyone is "only" a


    nurse.

    Quoted message said:

    Nurses provide the minute by minute care.

    When myson came home from the neonatalintensive care unit 15 years ago


    this

    Quoted message said:

    week, we went out and bought a rocking chair with nice comfortable pads,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    a plaque:

    "Dedicated to the dedicated"

    with my son's name on it.

    'nuf said.

  16. toolz toolz said:

    YOU were only a
    nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

    Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet to
    meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are respected
    as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my experience,
    constantly question and evaluate other members of that team.

    They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
    doctors.

    Quoted message said:

    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, ,
    complete fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,,
    with all due respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety
    attacks,, reading comphrension,
    ,little insight,, don't think highly of

    gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??
    pot=kettle=black

    Quoted message said:

    They tell lies repeatedly.

    and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often
    totally make her look the fool (because she doesn't understand the
    context)

    Quoted message said:

    When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster
    personally .

    ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old
    gibberish that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

    Quoted message said:

    They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from
    the alternative group, but they have double standards, as very
    little of conventional medicine has been proven.

    "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
    comprehension.....

    Quoted message said:

    They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of
    organized
    medicine.

    as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated
    professionals....when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

    the gall...the stupidity..

    sad that...
    hawki

  17. I was objecting to your phraseology of "only" a nurse.

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated. My


    rant

    Quoted message said:

    was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because


    of

    Quoted message said:

    her "education" over the last few weeks. Seems that some of you think a


    bit

    Quoted message said:

    too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the


    only

    Quoted message said:

    way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the only
    way.

    "Markositious Probertositious" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    < SNIP >

    > ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    > for doctors.

    Question for the doctors in this group:

    Do nurses kiss your asses?

    Just wondering if toolz is right.

    One thing that Stools is dead wrong about is theat anyone is "only" a


    nurse.

    Quoted message said:

    Nurses provide the minute by minute care.

    When myson came home from the neonatalintensive care unit 15 years ago


    this

    Quoted message said:

    week, we went out and bought a rocking chair with nice comfortable pads,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    a plaque:

    "Dedicated to the dedicated"

    with my son's name on it.

    'nuf said.

  18. Rich Shewmaker said:


    Quoted message said:

    ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
    for doctors.

    Question for the doctors in this group:

    Do nurses kiss your asses?

    I'd be getting divorced if they did! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Just wondering if toolz is right.

    ;o) Rich

    You need to wonder? ;-)

  19. Ok.It was a cheap shot.
    "dickinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    toolz toolz said:

    YOU were only a
    nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

    Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet to
    meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are respected
    as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my experience,
    constantly question and evaluate other members of that team.

    They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
    doctors.

    Quoted message said:

    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
    > From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    > Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    > Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    > Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, ,
    > complete fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,,
    > with all due respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety
    > attacks,, reading comphrension,
    > ,little insight,, don't think highly of

    gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??
    pot=kettle=black

    > They tell lies repeatedly.

    and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often
    totally make her look the fool (because she doesn't understand the
    context)

    > When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster
    > personally .

    ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old
    gibberish that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

    > They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from
    > the alternative group, but they have double standards, as very
    > little of conventional medicine has been proven.

    "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
    comprehension.....

    > They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of
    > organized
    > medicine.

    as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated
    professionals....when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

    the gall...the stupidity..

    sad that...
    hawki

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that


    YOU

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the


    doctor,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your


    assumed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the
    world
    > could not see it for themselves?
    > I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking


    orders

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do
    > so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who


    kisses

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ass
    > for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your


    former

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > tormenters.

    Wow. You are quite correct. We can all easily see others for who they
    actually are.
    The difficulty comes when we need to see ourselves. That is a supreme
    problem
    for the spiritually challenged.

    And, of course, we all know that you consider yourself to be on a
    "higher" spiritual plane. Odd, though, that for someone supposedly on
    such a "higher spiritual plane," you seem unable to recognize yourself
    for what you are: a huckster making hugely exaggerated claims for the
    health benefits of Ginseng powder, so that you can sell it through an
    MLM scheme at nearly $300 for a 150 g tin.

    You are finally correct

    Thank you for recognizing my wisdom finally.

    [Remainder snipped]
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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