What does everyone here do?

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Rich Shewmaker said:

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"toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
for doctors.

Question for the doctors in this group:

Do nurses kiss your asses?

Don't we wish?

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Just wondering if toolz is right.

LOL! Obviously toolz doesn't work in medical practice, does he?
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

toolz toolz said:

I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated.

But you did appear to be saying that nurses are so subservient that they
"kiss the doctor's ass."

Actually, let's look back at what you said, since it's no longer in the
thread. I think it's of value to remind people of your ENTIRE statement:

<BEGIN>

If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
that's all. Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your
assumed superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think
that the world could not see it for themselves?

I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to
do so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who
kisses ass for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of
others, and ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips
of your former tormenters.

<END>

A pretty vicious attack, made more vicious by the obvious contempt for
nurses you showed through your false generalizations about nurses being
"taught to defer to the doctor, that's all." (That's certainly NOT all
nurses are taught. it's not even WHAT they are taught anymore.)

Quoted message said:

My rant
was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because of
her "education" over the last few weeks.

Perhaps, but it certainly revealed some nastiness about you personally
that perhaps you didn't plan on. Your view of nurses and nursing is
clearly outdated and rather misogynistic.

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Seems that some of you think a bit
too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the only
way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the only
way.

Perhaps not, but you haven't been able to show your way is better (or at
least equal).
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

toolz toolz said:

YOU were only a
nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet to
meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are respected
as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my experience,
constantly question and evaluate other members of that team.

They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
doctors.

Indeed. For someone who so clearly considers himself to be so
enlightened "toolz" is pretty behind the times here.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

toolz toolz said:

Ok.It was a cheap shot.

Ah, but it is in anger that people frequently slip and let their true
attitudes show. I suspect that's the case here with you.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Ok.It was a cheap shot.

It certainly was. Oh, and what respected profession were YOU educated for?

--Rich

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Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
From: "toolz toolz" [email hidden]
Date: 10/14/2003 10:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
that's all.Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your assumed
superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think that the world
could not see it for themselves?
I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to do
so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of others, and
ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips of your former
tormenters.

She sounds like a broken record with her lies.

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Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20031013230452.08263.00000387@

mb-m01.aol.com>

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Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, , complete

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fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,, with all due
respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety attacks,, reading
comphrension,
,little insight,, don't think highly of

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gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??

pot=kettle=black

You didnt catch on, this is a list of the debunkers words.

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They tell lies repeatedly.

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and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads

That's a lie.

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and often totally make
her

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look the fool (because she doesn't understand the context)

There's another. I think Hawki must be jealous.

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When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster

personally

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ahhh....your truth??

Yes.

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or the true truth?? or some half century old
gibberish

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that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did

No.

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They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from the

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alternative group, but they have double standards, as very little of
conventional medicine has been proven.

"very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
comprehension.....

She knows no such thing.

Very little has been proven, look it up.

Only 38% of CM procedures are backed by RCT's.

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They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies of

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organized
medicine.

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as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well educated

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professionals....

LOL. Like who?? Yourself??

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when HER background is that of a preschool owner??

That's correct. A very important background, certainly nothing to be ashamed of
as you imply.

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the gall...the stupidity..

Pot, kettle, black.

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sad that...
hawki

Sad that hawki is such a [censored].

That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

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Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
From: "toolz toolz" [email hidden]
Date: 10/14/2003 2:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated. My rant
was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because of
her "education" over the last few weeks. Seems that some of you think a bit
too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the only
way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the only
way.

Strange that Mark doesn't think anecdotes count, unless they come from him.

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"Markositious Probertositious"

Is he having a break down??

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"toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
> for doctors.

Question for the doctors in this group:

Do nurses kiss your asses?

Just wondering if toolz is right.

One thing that Stools is dead wrong about is theat anyone is "only" a

nurse.

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Nurses provide the minute by minute care.

When myson came home from the neonatalintensive care unit 15 years ago

this

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week, we went out and bought a rocking chair with nice comfortable pads,

and

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a plaque:

"Dedicated to the dedicated"

with my son's name on it.

'nuf said.

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Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
From: "toolz toolz" [email hidden]
Date: 10/14/2003 5:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

OHHHHH! I love it when you talk so intellectual. It matters not that it is
all BS. I love it when you act like you are so wise. Oh oh oh baby!
"Rich" <,@.

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Eric Bohlman

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Once again a thread truns into a name calling contest.

People use alternative medicine because *it works* where conventional didn't.

Jan

Orac said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

toolz toolz said:

YOU were only a
nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet
to meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are
respected as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my
experience, constantly question and evaluate other members of that
team.

They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
doctors.

Indeed. For someone who so clearly considers himself to be so
enlightened "toolz" is pretty behind the times here.

Probably. My wife dedicated 31/2 yrs of her life to a nursing degree
(after being one of the "old school" ward trained) and a further 3yrs to
her Grad Dip in Health Promotion. Add to that, 12 yrs "hands on" nursing
and I guess I'd be safer not introducing her to this thread ;-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Wow. You are quite correct. We can all easily see others for who they
actually are.
The difficulty comes when we need to see ourselves. That is a supreme
problem for the spiritually challenged.

I guess you're in that latter group, Spammin' Dave, as you are unable
to see yourself as the ignorant spamming scumbag liar that you are.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

toolz toolz said:

Ok.It was a cheap shot.

Then ask yourself, "why"?

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Quoted message said:

toolz toolz said:

YOU were only a
nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet
to meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are
respected as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my
experience, constantly question and evaluate other members of that
team.

They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
doctors.

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"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
>> From: [email hidden] (Jan)
>> Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>> Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>> Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, ,
>> complete fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,,
>> with all due respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety
>> attacks,, reading comphrension,
>> ,little insight,, don't think highly of
>
> gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??
> pot=kettle=black
>
>> They tell lies repeatedly.
>
> and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often
> totally make her look the fool (because she doesn't understand the
> context)
>
>> When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster
>> personally .
>
> ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old
> gibberish that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did
>
>> They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from
>> the alternative group, but they have double standards, as very
>> little of conventional medicine has been proven.
>
> "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
> comprehension.....
>
>> They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies
>> of organized
>> medicine.
>
> as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well
> educated professionals....when HER background is that of a
> preschool owner??
>
> the gall...the stupidity..
>
> sad that...
> hawki

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She sounds like a broken record with her lies.

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That's a lie.

There's another. I think Hawki must be jealous.

Jan

$ KaChing $18

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Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
From: "toolz toolz" [email hidden]
Date: 10/14/2003 2:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated. My

rant

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was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because

of

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her "education" over the last few weeks. Seems that some of you think a

bit

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too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the

only

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way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the only
way.

Strange that Mark doesn't think anecdotes count, unless they come from

him.

I know my anecdotes are true. I do not know that other's anecdotes are.

Besides, I derive no benefit from defending nurses, other than the
satisfaction of honoring a noble profession of dedicatged caring persons.
Your anecdotes push agendas of people who make evil money.

Thus, my anecdotes are better than yours. 😄

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"Markositious Probertositious"

Is he having a break down??

Nope. Just piercing the veil of a kill file.

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "toolz toolz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> < SNIP >
>
> > ...YOU were only a nurse, someone who kisses ass
> > for doctors.
>
> Question for the doctors in this group:
>
> Do nurses kiss your asses?
>
> Just wondering if toolz is right.

One thing that Stools is dead wrong about is theat anyone is "only" a

nurse.

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Nurses provide the minute by minute care.

When myson came home from the neonatalintensive care unit 15 years ago

this

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week, we went out and bought a rocking chair with nice comfortable

pads,

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and

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a plaque:

"Dedicated to the dedicated"

with my son's name on it.

'nuf said.

Ok, now run down the hall and get what big nurse has for you now.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

toolz toolz said:

I did not say that nurses are not needed, and as you say, dedicated.

But you did appear to be saying that nurses are so subservient that they
"kiss the doctor's ass."

Actually, let's look back at what you said, since it's no longer in the
thread. I think it's of value to remind people of your ENTIRE statement:

<BEGIN>

If YOU think that Jan is so wrong, stupid, bad. Why do you think that YOU
need to save us from her? Why do you think that YOU are best qualified to
determine this? Your "education"? You were taught to defer to the doctor,
that's all. Why do you think it is ok to insult everyone with your
assumed superiority? IF Jan IS so bad, wrong, evil, why do you think
that the world could not see it for themselves?

I think it might be that YOU are angry that you spent years taking orders
from those who you were taught had more worth than you. I think you are
attacking others here because you never had the courage and knowledge to
do so in your professional life. YOU were only a nurse, someone who
kisses ass for doctors. So you have morphed your self hate into blame of
others, and ridicule of anything that does not come from the sweet lips
of your former tormenters.

<END>

A pretty vicious attack, made more vicious by the obvious contempt for
nurses you showed through your false generalizations about nurses being
"taught to defer to the doctor, that's all." (That's certainly NOT all
nurses are taught. it's not even WHAT they are taught anymore.)

Quoted message said:

My rant
was in response to her crowing about how superior her opinion is because

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

her "education" over the last few weeks.

Perhaps, but it certainly revealed some nastiness about you personally
that perhaps you didn't plan on. Your view of nurses and nursing is
clearly outdated and rather misogynistic.

Quoted message said:

Seems that some of you think a bit
too highly of the benefits of "education". Can it help? Sure.Is it the

only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way? Of course not. You need to understand that your way, is NOT the

only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way.

Perhaps not, but you haven't been able to show your way is better (or at
least equal).
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Indeed. For someone who so clearly considers himself to be so
enlightened

Just where did I say that I consider myself "enlightened"? I', just smarter
and far more observant of real life than you are. No big deal. I'm not so
insecure as you. I do not need to go on an NG and spout off about my degree,
or my imaginary publishing.

Yes, it does show my true attitude about hawki.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

toolz toolz said:

Ok.It was a cheap shot.

Ah, but it is in anger that people frequently slip and let their true
attitudes show. I suspect that's the case here with you.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

None of you biz. Though it is tempting to tell you.
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Ok.It was a cheap shot.

It certainly was. Oh, and what respected profession were YOU educated for?

--Rich

Wasn't worth much investment?
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toolz toolz said:

Ok.It was a cheap shot.

Then ask yourself, "why"?

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toolz toolz wrote:

> YOU were only a
> nurse, someone who kisses ass for doctors.

Are you fully conversant with the role of modern nursing? I have yet
to meet *one* nurse who "kisses ass/[censored] for doctors". They are
respected as valued members of a multi-disciplinary team, and in my
experience, constantly question and evaluate other members of that
team.

They are *not*, as you infer "menials" who are subserviant to the
doctors.

> "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>>> Subject: Re: What does everyone here do?
>>> From: [email hidden] (Jan)
>>> Date: 10/13/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>> Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>>
>>> Delusional,, credibility,, low self esteem,, narcissistic, ,
>>> complete fool,,dysfunctional thinking, ,pathologic,, hypocrisy,,
>>> with all due respect,, I understand you think,, anxiety
>>> attacks,, reading comphrension,
>>> ,little insight,, don't think highly of
>>
>> gee Janny....low self esteem is what you keep calling me??
>> pot=kettle=black
>>
>>> They tell lies repeatedly.
>>
>> and Janny repeatedly posts things she rarely reads..and often
>> totally make her look the fool (because she doesn't understand the
>> context)
>>
>>> When the truth is posted,they make up lies, attacking the poster
>>> personally .
>>
>> ahhh....your truth?? or the true truth?? or some half century old
>> gibberish that YOU think still has validity...if it ever did
>>
>>> They ask for scientific studies in peer-reviewed literature, from
>>> the alternative group, but they have double standards, as very
>>> little of conventional medicine has been proven.
>>
>> "very little" has been proven??? now I know you don't read for
>> comprehension.....
>>
>>> They are completely brain washed sock puppets who repeat the lies
>>> of organized
>>> medicine.
>>
>> as compared to JanDrew who has the nerve to argue with well
>> educated professionals....when HER background is that of a
>> preschool owner??
>>
>> the gall...the stupidity..
>>
>> sad that...
>> hawki

MedWaste said:

None of you biz. Though it is tempting to tell you.

The phrase is "Mensroom Attendant", but he failed the part about flushing.

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Ok.It was a cheap shot.

It certainly was. Oh, and what respected profession were YOU educated for?

--Rich

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toolz toolz said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Indeed. For someone who so clearly considers himself to be so
enlightened

Just where did I say that I consider myself "enlightened"?

Your attitude suggests as much, as does your disparagement of those
around here who are more educated than you--not to mention your
statement below.

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I', just smarter
and far more observant of real life than you are.

You have shown no evidence in your postings that this is true. Indeed,
the content of your ramblings suggests otherwise.

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No big deal. I'm not so
insecure as you. I do not need to go on an NG and spout off about my degree,
or my imaginary publishing.

If that's true, why does it bother you so much when others mention their
degrees or publications? It sounds to me as though such mentions make
you insecure.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"