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  1. Anti-Asthma Medications: Too Much of a Good Thing?

    Monday, August 18, 2003

    Source - Journal of Clinical Investigation

    In an unusual paradox, asthmatics that are chronically
    treated with bronchodilating beta-agonist medications
    such as albuterol, ventolin, and salbutamol may
    ultimately develop increased sensitivity to airway
    constriction and experience exacerbation of their
    condition. A new study by Stephen Liggett and colleagues
    at the University of Cincinnati in the August 15, 2003,
    issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation describes
    a responsible mechanism for this adverse reaction and
    reveals a potential new therapeutic target in the
    treatment of asthma.

    Inhaled selective beta -agonists are the most widely used
    treatment for the acute relief of asthma symptoms.
    Administered to asthmatic patients via an inhaler,
    nebulizer, in tablet or liquid form, or injection, they
    cause airway relaxation and reduced airway responsiveness
    to nonspecific contractile stimuli. This is achieved by
    drug binding to the beta2-adrenergic receptor (beta2AR).
    Despite the ability of these agents to immediately
    reverse airway obstruction, there has been ongoing
    concern that the use of these drugs may be associated
    with harmful outcomes. Some, but not all, studies have
    revealed that regular scheduled use (e.g., multiple times
    daily, every day) of inhaled beta-agonists has resulted
    in a loss of control over the condition, which can
    manifest as longer asthmatic attacks and post-treatment
    airway hyperresponsiveness.

    To date, the evidence has suggested that a
    desensitization of the beta2AR is responsible. . . .
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  2. [email hidden] (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Anti-Asthma Medications: Too Much of a Good Thing?

    Monday, August 18, 2003

    Source - Journal of Clinical Investigation

    In an unusual paradox, asthmatics that are chronically
    treated with bronchodilating beta-agonist medications
    such as albuterol, ventolin, and salbutamol may
    ultimately develop increased sensitivity to airway
    constriction and experience exacerbation of their
    condition.

    Not exactly a groundbreaking revelation. It's been known for years
    that chronic overuse of bronchodilators can result in a downregulation
    of the production of new Beta 2 receptors. That's why recommendations
    are in place to medicate persistent asthmatics with leukotriene
    modifiers or inhaled corticosteroids, and reserve bronchodilators for
    episodic/rescue use.

    Duh.

    Mark, MD

  3. (Mark) said:

    Not exactly a groundbreaking revelation. It's been known for years
    that chronic overuse of bronchodilators can result in a downregulation
    of the production of new Beta 2 receptors. That's why recommendations
    are in place to medicate persistent asthmatics with leukotriene
    modifiers or inhaled corticosteroids, and reserve bronchodilators for
    episodic/rescue use.
    Duh.
    Mark, MD

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Cindi

  4. On 10/28/03 12:28, in article [email hidden],

    Quoted post said:

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Isn't the manufacturer of Serevent recommending you not use it unless you're
    also taking a steroid, now that they've found out it can sometimes make
    things worse?

  5. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Mark) said:

    Not exactly a groundbreaking revelation. It's been known for years
    that chronic overuse of bronchodilators can result in a downregulation
    of the production of new Beta 2 receptors. That's why recommendations
    are in place to medicate persistent asthmatics with leukotriene
    modifiers or inhaled corticosteroids, and reserve bronchodilators for
    episodic/rescue use.
    Duh.
    Mark, MD

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Cindi

    Precisely...except that Serevent (salmeterol) is actually a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist and is neither a steroid nor a leukotriene
    modifier. I personally don't prescribe salmeterol to my asthmatic
    patients; I prefer the steroids and/or LMs for the "controller" role.

    Mark, MD

  6. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Precisely...except that Serevent (salmeterol) is actually a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist and is neither a steroid nor a leukotriene
    modifier. I personally don't prescribe salmeterol to my asthmatic
    patients; I prefer the steroids and/or LMs for the "controller" role.


    I use Advair now, but prior to my severe asthmatic death event in July, I
    was using Serevent alone when I felt things getting a bit out of hand rather
    than a steroid. I chose that for reasons I won't go into, but I'm now
    reasonably convinced that the use of the Serevent exacerbated the situation
    for me when I had the serious attack because I was resistant to the
    albuterol as a result of taking it.

    Suffice it to say that I haven't had a single asthma attack since I was
    released from the hospital on July 11, so the Advair is working very well
    for me. I *do* have a bit of concern about possible albuterol resistance
    from the Serevent component, and that's something I plan to discuss with my
    pulmonologist the next time I see him.
    --
    Be well, Barbara
    (Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [19mo] mom)

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    Quoted message said:


    Mark, MD

  7. "Circe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<tvUnb.46334$hp5.39689@fed1read04>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Precisely...except that Serevent (salmeterol) is actually a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist and is neither a steroid nor a leukotriene
    modifier. I personally don't prescribe salmeterol to my asthmatic
    patients; I prefer the steroids and/or LMs for the "controller" role.


    I use Advair now, but prior to my severe asthmatic death event in July, I
    was using Serevent alone when I felt things getting a bit out of hand rather
    than a steroid. I chose that for reasons I won't go into, but I'm now
    reasonably convinced that the use of the Serevent exacerbated the situation
    for me when I had the serious attack because I was resistant to the
    albuterol as a result of taking it.

    Suffice it to say that I haven't had a single asthma attack since I was
    released from the hospital on July 11, so the Advair is working very well
    for me. I *do* have a bit of concern about possible albuterol resistance
    from the Serevent component, and that's something I plan to discuss with my
    pulmonologist the next time I see him.
    --
    Be well, Barbara
    (Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [19mo] mom)

    As I understand it, the down-regulation of the Beta receptors is a
    short lived problem once you quit using Beta agonists too much.

    For my money, inhaled steroids are the best way to go for long-term
    "controller"-type medicines for asthma. The actual absorbed dose for
    most of them is miniscule, so the concern about so-called steroid side
    effects is really non-existent. According to the data (sorry, no
    ready reference at hand), the amount of systemically absorbed steroids
    from one 5-day burst of prednisone is the same as that absorbed by
    taking twice-daily puffs of inhaled steroids for about 200 years. Not
    a bad trade-off.

    Sorry to hear about your awful experience, but I'm glad to hear that
    the Advair is helping. Anecdotally, I have a good friend who swears
    his life was saved by Advair...long story, but he had a similar
    experience and is now VERY happy that three years of Advair has
    produced zero asthma attacks.

    Mark, MD

  8. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    As I understand it, the down-regulation of the Beta receptors is a
    short lived problem once you quit using Beta agonists too much.

    Well yes, but as long as you are still using the Serevent you haven't quit.

    --
    CBI, MD

  9. <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I *do* have a bit of concern about possible albuterol resistance
    from the Serevent component, and that's something I plan to discuss with


    my

    Quoted message said:

    pulmonologist the next time I see him.

    It is a wise concern to have. In my case, my Advair (more specifically the
    Serevent component) does reduce the effectiveness of the albuterol. Because
    I'm active, I use the albuterol as a pre-exercise medication to keep the
    exacerbation down...problem is that if I catch a snoot full of cigarette
    smoke during the day, the albuterol doesn't have enough left to keep me
    clear.

    Rather than a trip to the ER, I've been set-up with a neb and a
    atrovent/albuterol combo to overcome the problem.

    It works, but isn't the most ideal.

    Just thought I'd putin my $0.02 worth,

    Michael Halliwell

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  10. On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:36:19 -0500, Arrhae <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't the manufacturer of Serevent recommending you not use it unless you're
    also taking a steroid, now that they've found out it can sometimes make
    things worse?

    I haven't heard anything about that - I'll have to ask my dr about it
    the next time I have to go in.

    Cindi

  11. "Arrhae" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 10/28/03 12:28, in article [email hidden],

    Quoted post said:

    Is that the reason I have 2 inhalers, one that I use every 12 hours no
    matter how I feel (Serevent diskus) and one that I use only when I am
    in an active attack (albuterol)?

    Isn't the manufacturer of Serevent recommending you not use it unless


    you're

    Quoted message said:

    also taking a steroid, now that they've found out it can sometimes make
    things worse?

    I don't think so. They have always promoted it as steroid sparing and
    suggested that docs should add their product rather than increase the dose
    of steroid. I don't think I have ever heard them comment on just using the
    Serevent - probably because it would not be a good idea but they don't want
    to say anything that could dissuade use of their drug.

    --
    CBI, MD

  12. Quoted message said:

    For my money, inhaled steroids are the best way to go for long-term
    "controller"-type medicines for asthma. The actual absorbed dose for
    most of them is miniscule, so the concern about so-called steroid side
    effects is really non-existent. According to the data (sorry, no
    ready reference at hand), the amount of systemically absorbed steroids
    from one 5-day burst of prednisone is the same as that absorbed by
    taking twice-daily puffs of inhaled steroids for about 200 years. Not
    a bad trade-off.


    I'm sceptical about this view and it's clear that many doctors beleive
    that some of the inhaled steroid become systemic, in quantities that
    can cause side-effects.

    For example, when my son was a toddler and suffering from severe
    asthma, he was switched from Becotide to Flixotide - then a very new
    drug - because of concerns about his growth being retarded because of
    steroids - the Flixotide supposedly had less systemic effect than
    Becotide (due to the different doses).

    I myself take a high dose of Flixotide (2000mcg per day) and my
    consultant reckons that it will be very hard for me to lose weight on
    that dose.

    Does anyone have any more information about this?

    Regards

    Chrissie

  13. "chrissie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For my money, inhaled steroids are the best way to go for long-term
    "controller"-type medicines for asthma. The actual absorbed dose for
    most of them is miniscule, so the concern about so-called steroid side
    effects is really non-existent. According to the data (sorry, no
    ready reference at hand), the amount of systemically absorbed steroids
    from one 5-day burst of prednisone is the same as that absorbed by
    taking twice-daily puffs of inhaled steroids for about 200 years. Not
    a bad trade-off.


    I'm sceptical about this view and it's clear that many doctors beleive
    that some of the inhaled steroid become systemic, in quantities that
    can cause side-effects.

    I don't think that anyone doubts that inhaled steroids can cause systemic
    effects. In the recommended range for most (especially the newer ones) a
    biochemical response can be measured but when clinical outcomes are examined
    (like height and weight) the effects are small. Of course, as the dose goes
    up the chances of side effects goes up as well.

    But that is not really what Mark said. He correctly described inhaled
    steroids as being the only agents with proof of slowing disease progression
    over the long term. It makes sense that efforts to control other
    contributing factors; like smoking, allergies, sinus disease, and reflux;
    should be undertaken to keep the dose of steroid down the lowest that is
    effective in order to minimize systemic effects. The roles of other drugs,
    such as Servent and leukotriene inhibitors, in helping to decrease the doses
    of steroids is still being defined.

    His point is that the asthma regimen starts with trigger avoidance and
    steroids and then builds from there. I don't think you will find many
    credible docs basing their regimens on other drugs first with steroids
    second.

    --
    CBI, MD

  14. "chrissie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I myself take a high dose of Flixotide (2000mcg per day) and my
    consultant reckons that it will be very hard for me to lose weight on
    that dose.

    That is a very high dose and I am sure you are getting systemic effects. At
    this high a dose the appropriate comparison would be to oral prednisone,
    which you would surely otherwise be taking, rather than salmeterol.

    --
    CBI, MD

  15. "CBI" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    As I understand it, the down-regulation of the Beta receptors is a
    short lived problem once you quit using Beta agonists too much.

    Well yes, but as long as you are still using the Serevent you haven't quit.

    And that is just what I told her: salmeterol is a beta agonist and if
    she quits using it, the receptors come back.

    Mark, MD

  16. [email hidden] (chrissie) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For my money, inhaled steroids are the best way to go for long-term
    "controller"-type medicines for asthma. The actual absorbed dose for
    most of them is miniscule, so the concern about so-called steroid side
    effects is really non-existent. According to the data (sorry, no
    ready reference at hand), the amount of systemically absorbed steroids
    from one 5-day burst of prednisone is the same as that absorbed by
    taking twice-daily puffs of inhaled steroids for about 200 years. Not
    a bad trade-off.


    I'm sceptical about this view and it's clear that many doctors beleive
    that some of the inhaled steroid become systemic, in quantities that
    can cause side-effects.

    For example, when my son was a toddler and suffering from severe
    asthma, he was switched from Becotide to Flixotide - then a very new
    drug - because of concerns about his growth being retarded because of
    steroids - the Flixotide supposedly had less systemic effect than
    Becotide (due to the different doses).

    I myself take a high dose of Flixotide (2000mcg per day) and my
    consultant reckons that it will be very hard for me to lose weight on
    that dose.

    Does anyone have any more information about this?

    Regards

    Chrissie

    I'm not familiar with the two drugs you mentioned, but the data from
    growth studies do not apparently support the fears of growth
    restriction, at least WRT the inhaled corticosteroids used in children
    in the U.S.

    The essence of the concern is this: patients who used one of the
    older inhaled steroids were studied because of the theoretical concern
    that long-term use might lead to growth restriction, as we already
    knew long term use of oral steroids can do.

    It was noted that over years of high-dose use of this product, there
    WAS growth restriction: the kids were about 1/2 cm shorter than their
    matched peers. (For those using English units, that's about 1/5".)

    Subsequent inhaled steroids are absorbed even less than the older
    ones, resulting in little to no discernable change in growth.
    Moreover, even if the kids in the older study did lose 1/2 cm in
    height, their growth velocity increased when they stopped taking the
    steroids, and they regained the height they had "lost".

    The most important point, though, is this: In the worst case
    scenario, your child might lose 1/2 cm in height...would you rather
    have that or a child who is at significantly higher risk of a life
    threatening asthma attack due to being treated with the wrong
    medicine?

    Remember, there are about 5,000 asthma-related deaths in the U.S. each
    year. 1/3 occur in those who had previously been categorized as
    "severe" asthmatics. 1/3 were "moderate" and 1/3 were previously
    considered "mild" asthmatics. You don't have to have a history of
    severe asthma attacks in order to have a fatal one.

    Mark, MD

  17. Mark said:


    I'm not familiar with the two drugs you mentioned, but the data from
    growth studies do not apparently support the fears of growth
    restriction, at least WRT the inhaled corticosteroids used in children
    in the U.S.

    The essence of the concern is this: patients who used one of the
    older inhaled steroids were studied because of the theoretical concern
    that long-term use might lead to growth restriction, as we already
    knew long term use of oral steroids can do.

    It was noted that over years of high-dose use of this product, there
    WAS growth restriction: the kids were about 1/2 cm shorter than their
    matched peers. (For those using English units, that's about 1/5".)

    Subsequent inhaled steroids are absorbed even less than the older
    ones, resulting in little to no discernable change in growth.
    Moreover, even if the kids in the older study did lose 1/2 cm in
    height, their growth velocity increased when they stopped taking the
    steroids, and they regained the height they had "lost".

    The most important point, though, is this: In the worst case
    scenario, your child might lose 1/2 cm in height...would you rather
    have that or a child who is at significantly higher risk of a life
    threatening asthma attack due to being treated with the wrong
    medicine?

    Remember, there are about 5,000 asthma-related deaths in the U.S. each
    year. 1/3 occur in those who had previously been categorized as
    "severe" asthmatics. 1/3 were "moderate" and 1/3 were previously
    considered "mild" asthmatics. You don't have to have a history of
    severe asthma attacks in order to have a fatal one.

    Mark, MD

    Is this really a responsible attitude?

    The cause of asthma is not known. The extensive use of symptomatics does
    not seem to be balanced by sufficient basic research. It seems quite
    likely that asthma is a functional disorder which becomes extremely
    difficult to reverse, see comments on damage to muscles due to attacks
    in Chest 1992, pages 1357-61.

    The situation in sports is grotesque with a 80% + diagnosis rate
    (whatever this means) in some disciplines. It is revolting to think of,
    say, figure skating being done by pharmamonsters. It would be better
    to switch over to robots or to Steven Spielberg at once.

    Forget the drug company shareholders for a bit and try to get some
    logical research done.

    Your argument, not to say fear mongering, about the primacy of
    medication justified by danger of attacks only holds good if you ignore
    techniques like that described by Professor Hillsman
    onhttp://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_00/ind_papr.htm or properly performed
    pursed lips breathing.

    For practical purposes I find the following technique quite sufficient
    to keep on the good side of my asthmatic tendency without the need of
    any medication whatever.

    It is based on the thought that asthma involves hectic breathing which
    fails to comply with the time constants of lung deflation and inflation.
    If one can time one's breathing at will, an attack would seem to be
    impossible.

    Forcing the breathing rate to stay normal seems to be too difficult for
    most patients even if they were properly motivated.

    Step-synchronized breathing offers a solution because locomotion
    (walking, running) "entrains" breathing as a scientific effect. It is
    comparatively easy to keep breathing regular if you take f. i. 3 steps
    to an inhale and 3 to an exhale.

    With such practice the exhale may extended more and more easily. An
    attack is prevented if the exhale can be lengthened.

    Extending the number of steps per exhale and inhale to say 8 and 4 is
    also healthy for the reason of there being an incentive spirometer (like
    a Volldyne) effect improving the vital capacity. See material on
    "breathwalking" and "yoga walking" as healthy exercise. Richard Friedel.

  18. CBI said:

    I don't think so. They have always promoted it as steroid sparing and
    suggested that docs should add their product rather than increase the dose
    of steroid. I don't think I have ever heard them comment on just using the
    Serevent - probably because it would not be a good idea but they don't want
    to say anything that could dissuade use of their drug.

    My doctor does not have me on a steroid, either inhaled or oral, at
    all, but I am taking the Serevent diskus one puff two times a day,
    along with an albuterol inhaler as needed, and clarinex once a day for
    my allergies. Should I also be on a steroid, either inhaled or oral.

    Cindi

  19. (Mark) said:

    Precisely...except that Serevent (salmeterol) is actually a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist and is neither a steroid nor a leukotriene
    modifier. I personally don't prescribe salmeterol to my asthmatic
    patients; I prefer the steroids and/or LMs for the "controller" role.

    Mark, MD

    Can you please tell me what exactly a leukotrine (? on spelling)
    modifier is and what it does?

    Cindi

  20. (Mark) said:

    Precisely...except that Serevent (salmeterol) is actually a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist and is neither a steroid nor a leukotriene
    modifier. I personally don't prescribe salmeterol to my asthmatic
    patients; I prefer the steroids and/or LMs for the "controller" role.
    Mark, MD

    Also, I have high blood pressure and am lisinopril with hctz. Is a
    long-acting Beta-2 agonist appropriate for use by asthmatics with
    blood pressure problems?

    Cindi

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